Episode 11
As Bruce Buffer would say: “It’s time!”
Season five of The Ultimate Fighter is in the books and episodes 11 & 12 answered a lot of questions (and broke a lot of hearts).
We start off in the locker room of Team Pulver following last week’s beatdown of Matt Wiman at the hands of Manny Gamburyan.
Special guest star Karo Parisyan is excited at the advancement of his cousin and decides to celebrate by playing patty-cake with Nick Diaz’s face.
Well, anyone who knows the Diaz brothers (or saw Episode 2) knows this is more than just cause to start a rumble. Nate justifies his behavior with such memorable one-liners as “Get off my nuts” and “Don’t try and close the distance on me.”
Speaking of one-liners, anyone else get a laugh out of the preview for Heartbreak Ridge when Clint Eastwood tells a jailhouse thug: Go hump somebody else’s leg mutt face before I push yours in.”
Instant classic. Heartbreak Ridge could be the modern day Book of Proverbs.
Anyway, Karo walks outside and asks the camera “Do you know who I am?” Apparently that North Hollywood address is wearing off on his ego as he continues to rant: “There’s so much stuff I could do to these fucking idiots.”
I guess acting like a mature and humble role model isn’t one of them.
It’s time for the fight selections and it’s nice to see that Dana has a sense of humor when it comes to Jens sanity. Dana rattles his cage by suggesting the teammates fight one another but then quickly retracts when Jens goes silent.
I’m glad that Dana was having such a great time overseas in Manchester. I guess that call was made before Cro Cop was decapitated with a head kick.
The fights are officially Manny vs. Joe followed by Nick vs. Gray. I’m hoping that after all this time the fights are worth the wait.
Before the fights Dana flies home and surprises the cast with dinner. Ever the conversationalist, Dana asks what they miss the most besides women.
Cole apparently forgets he’s on camera and blurts out “MySpace!” and out of nowhere we get Andy Wang announcing that he’s lactose intolerant.
Earlier I mentioned the Book of Proverbs. Well here’s a famous proverb for future castmates: Better to keep your mouth shut and have people think you are a fool then to open it and remove all doubt.
Dana also has a special surprise for the semi-finalists: A free subscription to DirecTV! I’m not sure which was more uncomfortable, hearing the winners feign excitement or listening to Joe fumble through the promo.
It’s fight time and Joe talks about sticking to his gameplan. Manny says he hates gameplans and has no gameplan. Then he rattles off six or seven different tactics he plans on using and says “That’s my gameplan.” Nothing like consistency.
Joe also remarks how Manny has short little arms. I nervously muttered to myself “So does a T-Rex.”
Dana once again feels it’s necessary to comment on Manny’s height and how it will keep him from winning. Just like last time, this guarantees that he will. Thanks Dana.
Round one is underway and Joe misses a high kick. Manny seizes the opportunity and takes down an off-balance Joe. Manny sinks in a guillotine and Joe picks him up off the ground but doesn’t have enough juice to slam him.
He kind of sinks down and rolls out. Manny slams him back down and stays on top. Joe looks for a couple of submissions but Manny isn’t having it. He slowly pushes Joe to the cage and keeps the pressure on. Joe eventually gets up but Manny brings him right back down. Joe looks overwhelmed as time expires.
Round two starts and Manny shoots twice and misses. They tie-up and Manny pushes him to the cage. Joe looks desperate and flops to his back. Manny drops in and lands some shots. Joe’s mouth is wide open as he eats some elbows. Manny’s pace is relentless. Mazz has seen enough of the ground game and stands them up.
Manny shoots and gets stuffed. They tie-up once again and Manny trips Joe down and then whips him around. They get back to their feet and Joe is holding on but has no offense.
At the start of round three Manny looks relaxed and confident. Joe looks gassed and confused. The ring girl looks hot and doable. Manny shoots and misses but follows up with a HUGE leg kick. Manny takes him down again. Joe is getting manhandled. Manny keeps punching away like a piston.
Joe miraculously finds a way to reverse it in the last minute and gets Manny’s back. Joe is starting to land some shots. Manny covers up. Joe sinks in a guillotine and tries to roll him over but Manny powers his way out of it. Manny gets back to top position and pounds away until the end.
Wow. This fight was all Gamburyan. I was rooting for Joe the entire season but even through rose-colored glasses I can say this was pure domination. Manny controlled the entire fight, pushed the pace and NEVER stopped working.
That’s called Winning 101.
I hate to get all Wrestlemania 3 but Manny is both the irresistible force and the immovable object. Win or lose at the finale he is going to make some noise in this division.
And no question Joe will be back. At just 22 he still has a bright future ahead of him if he wants it.
Afterwards Dana apologizes for underestimating Manny. I wish he would apologize to me for spoiling the outcome with his repeated “Manny will never make it” speech.
Episode 12
Team Penn is gearing up for Gray’s big match and it’s not a good sign that his coaches are wondering if he’s giving 100%. Gray admits to loving this sport because he enjoys gets punched in the face. Having a career in Real Estate, I kind of know how he feels.
Back at the house, Diaz and Geraghty are embroiled in a battle of fruit cocktail. Out of nowhere, the rest of the gang gets involved and the fruit goes flying back and forth ala Animal House.
This went on for quite some time and the only thing I cared about was where they were getting so much fruit. I wouldn’t say they wasted a lot of food but somewhere in Darfur, Sally Struthers was weeping inside a hut made of mud and rocks.
Dana drops by the house and must have thought things were getting a little too chummy between Penn and Pulver because he whips out a block of cash and promises to give $10,000 to the winner of a three round ping-pong match.
As if that wasn’t enough pressure, he also offers $1,000 to each fighter of the winning coach. As expected, the guys all stare at the cash like it’s Ali Sonoma in nothing but pasties and high-heels.
So the game gets underway and BJ looks insanely focused while Jens admits to feeling nauseous. During the match they actually show the ping-pong ball in slow motion and then to top it all off we see Dana laughing in slow motion too.
Folks, watching Dana cackle and sneer at these guys as they drove themselves mad over the outcome of the game, and watching him sit perched on the ledge waving that wad of bills, I realized this was not about BJ vs. Jens. And it certainly wasn’t about awarding money to guys who may have earned it.
No, this entire charade was about one thing: Dana wielding his power over a bunch of guys that he employs. During his little puppet show, I wondered if it was possible for him to understand what it says about a person’s character when they use their authority or position to take advantage or toy with people on an emotional and psychological level.
I’m probably reading too much into things, but it was a sad moment for me.
In the end, Jens took home the prize as he beat BJ in a very close game of table tennis. Most of Team Penn was cool with it (save Wiman) but BJ looked angrier than Ron Goldman during the OJ verdict.
It’s down to the last day and the guys are starting to say their goodbyes. BJ is glad he did the show and says “Martial arts is about the little guys fighting the bigger guys.” Maybe he was referring to martial arts promotions now that Dana and Co. own everything this side of Bodog.
On Team Pulver’s side Jens and Diaz exchange sweet nothings on the treadmill as Weems and Geraghty diligently practice their WWE moves in the ring.
Of course no last day would be complete without a heavy night of drinking and Andy makes Sake-bombs to “show them the Asian culture“.
You make a fine representative Andy. And I’m sure the Asian-American Society applauds your efforts.
Emerson and Cole can’t handle their liquor but in different ways. Emerson gets increasingly violent against inanimate objects (excluding Weems). Cole gets a bit dainty and starts doing cartwheels and cuddling up to Joe Lauzon.
And it looks like Cole learned a very valuable lesson that night: If you’re the first to pass out, you will be owned. He should be thanking his lucky stars it was only a haircut. I remember a bunkmate getting sloshed in our barracks at Ft. Knox. Lets just say his Tank ended up with a few extra shells in it.
Before the fight Gray remarks how Diaz is an emotional fighter. Then we hear Diaz through the looking glass about being an emotional and mental fighter. His answer to that? “I don’t even know what the fuck that means.”
Round one begins and Gray rushes in, ties him up and takes him down. Diaz is looking for a kimura. Gray’s trying to move around but Nate traps him at every attempt. Gray finally rises up and lands some big shots.
He breaks free and tries for side control but Diaz is working the limbs. Diaz is showing incredible skill from the bottom. Gray powers out and lands some more shots. Diaz is bleeding badly.
They get back to their feet and after a quick exchange Gray scores a takedown. Diaz ties up his arm as Gray tries to punch from the top. Gray rests and starts taking shots to the head from a busy Diaz underneath. Diaz switches and almost gets the arm. The round ends while working the choke.
Round two has Gray throwing wild punches after tying him up. He finds a guillotine but Diaz squeaks out and reverses his position. Diaz is in side control. Diaz now unloading punches to the body. Gray rolls to his knees and gets welcomed with a guillotine. Diaz has it locked in tight and forces the tap.
Although it didn’t go the distance, this was a great fight that was action-packed from beginning to end. Nate Diaz showed what jiu-jitsu is all about and how it can be turn a bad position into a winning position.
Gray was aggressive and landed some solid punches but he was neutralized on the ground. It’s nothing to be ashamed of because he lost to an excellent fighter. I have a feeling that what happened between Nate and Gray could be what happens between Nate and Manny. I’m really looking forward to the finale.
I’ll end this recap and this season the way BJ ended his stint as coach. He put it best when he told Gray:
“It’s not about getting knocked out or getting tapped out. It’s about where I go from here.”
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“That’s all I’m going to say about that … let’s try not to spoil the result for some of the other readers here who are waiting to see it all unfold this evening.”
So shits leaked out already about tonites shows.. thats freakin gay.. please dont post it up if u no that would be terrible.
and are those really the semi final match ups.. i like those.. Nate and Joe all the way
I’m looking at that picture and I can’t beleive Weems didn’t make it. Also, where did J-Lau’s neck go?
[quote comment="78869"]“That’s all I’m going to say about that … let’s try not to spoil the result for some of the other readers here who are waiting to see it all unfold this evening.”
So shits leaked out already about tonites shows.. thats freakin gay.. please dont post it up if u no that would be terrible.
and are those really the semi final match ups.. i like those.. Nate and Joe all the way[/quote]
It’s been out, really, since before episode one.
[quote]
* Episode 11: Joe Lauzon vs. Manny Gamburyan
* Episode 12: Nate Diaz vs. Gray Maynard
[/quote]
You sure about that? I seem to remember in the preview of tonights episodes it showed BJ and Pulver in the conference room and Dana suggesting (or demanding) that Lauzon fights Maynard and Diaz fights Gamburyan?
As I understood it, Dana created the (pretty cheesy) brawl between Diaz and Parisyan, so that he can promote Diaz-Gamburyan as somewhat like a grudge match (considering Manny called Diaz a traitor or something like that, when Diaz trained with the blue team, not bad of an idea). It was kinda obvious that the one fight most people wanna see is Lauzon-Diaz, so its was clear that Dana will try to make this match happen not earlier than the finals.
One way or another, many people already know who won and how, but I won’t spoil it for the rest of you. Tonight’s episodes should be quite entertaining.
Out before episode one ? how do u guys find out about this stuff all the time.. very impressive.. im glad i dont know though.. makes tonite a lot better for me. great website though
[quote comment="78887"]Out before episode one ? how do u guys find out about this stuff all the time.. very impressive..[/quote]
They finished taping the season before they aired episode one. And with a show like this and many people involved in the production as well as the fighters themselves… well, hard to keep a secret, really.
i gather so.. youtapped, but same thing u can say about the sopranos.. and they did a good job keeping that terrible ending a secert.. haha just playing.. i get wat ur saying.. i guess i was just bein oblvious to wat was happening. my bad
UFCmania, maybe you wanna be the first to pick this story up: http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/810060/index.do
Cro Cop is planning on buying an unfinished sport center, which has been abandoned for 10 years, turning it into the first martial arts center in Zagreb and that part of croatia altogether. He’s planning on Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Boxing and a couple of other sports, including an area for bodybuilding and a sports bar, which will only have healthy drinks and smoking would be prohibited.
The object is 2000 m² large and Cro Cop plans on investing two million euros into what could very well become his version of Team Quest, AKA or BTT.
Guess where I wanna do my next vacation?
[quote comment="78902"]UFCmania, maybe you wanna be the first to pick this story up: http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/810060/index.do
Cro Cop is planning on buying an unfinished sport center, which has been abandoned for 10 years, turning it into the first martial arts center in Zagreb and that part of croatia altogether. He’s planning on Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Boxing and a couple of other sports, including an area for bodybuilding and a sports bar, which will only have healthy drinks and smoking would be prohibited.
The object is 2000 m² large and Cro Cop plans on investing two million euros into what could very well become his version of Team Quest, AKA or BTT.
Guess where I wanna do my next vacation?
[/quote]
i’d love to hear cro cops commencment speech at the grand opening.lol.is he always so quiet or does he just not like the ufc
[quote post="2435"] * Episode 11: Joe Lauzon vs. Manny Gamburyan
* Episode 12: Nate Diaz vs. Gray Maynard
You sure about that? [/quote]
100% POSITIVE. It’s even on UFC.com.
Well see in the previews after TUF last week if you look very hard for a quick second when Nate is in the octagon you see yellow shorts in the octagon.
So thats why I thought it would be Teammate vs. Teammate.
I think Manny defeats Joe with a Unanimous Decision and Nate submits Gray in round 1
[quote comment="78910"]
i’d love to hear cro cops commencment speech at the grand opening.lol.is he always so quiet or does he just not like the ufc[/quote]
Haha, he is always like that with the press, not with the fans thou. Actually Cro Cop has an amazing sense of humor, for example (if you have not seen it yet): http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/mauro/video/x10jhx_mauro-ranallo-interview-crocop-pran
In person he is pretty cool, I met him at the airport once and we talked for a minute. No star-sickness or arrogance, very relaxed guy.
i thought the better match ups were manny vs. gray and joe vs. diaz, but i’m sure its this way instead because dana white is trying to set up a joe vs. diaz final which would be awesome, but i have a bad feeling joe is gonna have some trouble with manny, i really really like joe and i picked him to win it all in the beginning, but he has the hand and ankle injury and i’ve just been super impressed with manny’s strength and quickness,i’m gonna say that fight is gonna go to a decision and i hate to do it but i’m gonna pick manny…in the other fight i’m taking diaz, he’s too well rounded and a bit taller than gray, i remember gray getting tired in his last fight pretty early too, i know gray is very strong and a good wrestler, but i think diaz has the advantage on the feet and the advantage on the ground from the top or bottom because of his versatility and bjj…i had no idea both fights were tonight, this is awesome news, i can’t wait…
[quote comment="78902"]UFCmania, maybe you wanna be the first to pick this story up: http://www.vecernji.hr/newsroom/regions/zagreb/810060/index.do
Cro Cop is planning on buying an unfinished sport center, which has been abandoned for 10 years, turning it into the first martial arts center in Zagreb and that part of croatia altogether. He’s planning on Karate, Judo, Taekwondo, Boxing and a couple of other sports, including an area for bodybuilding and a sports bar, which will only have healthy drinks and smoking would be prohibited.
The object is 2000 m² large and Cro Cop plans on investing two million euros into what could very well become his version of Team Quest, AKA or BTT.
Guess where I wanna do my next vacation?
[/quote]
sounds like more foreshadowing towards a cro cop retirement…
[quote comment="78887"]Out before episode one ? how do u guys find out about this stuff all the time.. very impressive.. im glad i dont know though.. makes tonite a lot better for me. great website though[/quote]
It’s very hard to do what we do and not get spoiled by insider leaks. By some miracle I’ve been able to keep from finding out. I’m pretty pumped about tonight!
[quote comment="78912"][quote post="2435"]
* Episode 11: Joe Lauzon vs. Manny Gamburyan
* Episode 12: Nate Diaz vs. Gray Maynard
You sure about that? [/quote]
100% POSITIVE. It’s even on UFC.com.[/quote]
I don’t see the match ups specified on UFC.com. Where exactly do you see it?
Anybody see the awards show last night where Tracy Morgan asked Randy Couture if he was with the FUC? Randy was great. They also replayed Randy beating Sylvia last night before the awards show. What a performance by the Captain.
[quote comment="78951"][quote comment="78912"][quote post="2435"]
* Episode 11: Joe Lauzon vs. Manny Gamburyan
* Episode 12: Nate Diaz vs. Gray Maynard
You sure about that? [/quote]
100% POSITIVE. It’s even on UFC.com.[/quote]
I don’t see the match ups specified on UFC.com. Where exactly do you see it?
Anybody see the awards show last night where Tracy Morgan asked Randy Couture if he was with the FUC? Randy was great. They also replayed Randy beating Sylvia last night before the awards show. What a performance by the Captain.[/quote]
yeah i watched both of those, i thought tracy morgan was awesome, so was joe rogan and artie lang, they cracked me the f up dude, oh and will ferrell’s acceptance speech was funny as hell too…rampage looked nervous when he was presenting with carmen electra though, that was very unrampagelike…
[quote comment="78939"][quote comment="78887"]Out before episode one ? how do u guys find out about this stuff all the time.. very impressive.. im glad i dont know though.. makes tonite a lot better for me. great website though[/quote]
It’s very hard to do what we do and not get spoiled by insider leaks. By some miracle I’ve been able to keep from finding out. I’m pretty pumped about tonight![/quote]
How you dont know amazes me.
I no longer have any faith in you.
Well, Mania is on top of it more than me, I thought I knew around episode 3, then had it confirmed by 4. It actually isnt that horrible knowing, I wanna see what happens tonight BAD! No spoilers at all, but it’s gonna be a great night.
I hate all you. Just knowing that somebody already knows, ruins my life.
I def see Joe being the better fighter, but I have a sinking feeling that Manny may pull off another upset. As for Maynard, Diaz….I really can’t pick that one.
This is heat…I called Diaz/Lauzon since the beginning. Looking forward to both these match ups. Also looking forward to the 2 that will go down at the finale. Maynard/Gamburyan is a good match up, but the championship will be much better
[quote comment="79022"]I def see Joe being the better fighter, but I have a sinking feeling that Manny may pull off another upset. As for Maynard, Diaz….I really can’t pick that one.[/quote]
I can tell u but i am not goin to tell lets just watch the fight tonight. ok.
[quote comment="79038"]This is heat…I called Diaz/Lauzon since the beginning. Looking forward to both these match ups. Also looking forward to the 2 that will go down at the finale. Maynard/Gamburyan is a good match up, but the championship will be much better[/quote]
I called Manny vs. Joe since the beginning, I thought if Manny was healthy he could literally tear down the competiton, so am dissapointed that it is going to be Manny vs. Joe now and not in the finals.
[quote comment="78918"][quote comment="78910"]
i’d love to hear cro cops commencment speech at the grand opening.lol.is he always so quiet or does he just not like the ufc[/quote]
Haha, he is always like that with the press, not with the fans thou. Actually Cro Cop has an amazing sense of humor, for example (if you have not seen it yet): http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/mauro/video/x10jhx_mauro-ranallo-interview-crocop-pran
In person he is pretty cool, I met him at the airport once and we talked for a minute. No star-sickness or arrogance, very relaxed guy.[/quote]
Hey thanks for the linked, I actually hadn’t seen it. But can’t stop laughing! Great video!
Im being lazy at the job, on my way home to watch it right now!
HOLY SHIT, I JUST FOUND OUT, ROYCE GRACIE TESTED POSITIVE FOR STERIODS!!!!! Huge fine too, .8 per cent of his purse. Wtf is that?
karo is acting like such a douchebag towards nate. just because he beat his older brother doesn’t give him a right to treat him like so.
lol gracie getting oldddd eh…if those are the matchups i dont agree…Maynard vs. Manny and Luazon vs. Diaz would be better
[quote comment="79112"]HOLY SHIT, I JUST FOUND OUT, ROYCE GRACIE TESTED POSITIVE FOR STERIODS!!!!! Huge fine too, .8 per cent of his purse. Wtf is that?[/quote]
Royce? Of all people? Danggggg man. That’s terrible. That’s horrible, that’s gonna discredit him as one of the founders I think, for sure. Hey did they fight yet? Who won Royce or Sakuraba?
God im pumped for Joe/Manny. I hope to GOD Joe wins, can’t stand Manny. Not so excited for Diaz/Manyard, pretty sure Diaz will take that one. Lets go JOE
Royce won, the dec wont be overturned either, as of now.
KARO PARISYAN IS A BIITCH. “Does he know who I am?” Yeah, the guy who cant get a title shot. Good luck now, you ass. We’ll be watching to see you get your ass beat. TUF hasnt ruined a fighter who wasnt competing like this since Shamrock.
Damn, Manny is an animal….
Oh shoot. The Gracie killer has finally been stopped by a Gracie, good job Royce,….. there, now get him out of the hall of fame.
God I hope Manny loses.
Manny is totally dominating Joe….He has nothing on this guy.
Yeah but he can’t do anything from top. Ya wanna talk about a blanket? He makes Kos look like an insane GnP’er.
But that was Joe’s game plan….
pulver looks like he doesn’t have eye lids
[quote comment="79160"]But that was Joe’s game plan….[/quote]
Joe in his prev. fights has alwasy done much more than Manny is doing now.
With a height & size disadvantage aswell as being the underdog…He’s doing an amazing job.
MANNY WINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
looks like a win for manny.
Are ya’ll shocked?
Btw, I was when I found out. I thought there was no way Joe was losing.
Manny was the dark horse and I predicted him in the finals, great fight.
I’m in disbelief, throwing things, and probably crying now.
Ping Pong?
Thats dumb.
yes i am surprised that manny won. good for him, though. he needed it more than Joe.
my money is on Penn to win the ping pong game
If somebody was gonna beat Manny, it would have been Joe. Dont think Manyard can. And don’t think Diaz’s sub missions attempts will do anything, cuz Manny is too strong. Freakin a. Hate Manny.
Manny sucks! Biggest waste of 15 minutes. Joe should be in the finals because Manny is a boring fighter. If there was an audience they would’ve started booing 2 minutes in. He didn’t do anything but just lie on top of Joe.
This loss does not count against Joe’s Record am I correct?
Joe will get into the UFC easily because everyone loves Joe as a fighter, plus he knocked out Jens Pulver.
10,000 dollars on one ping pong game..
No Wonder why Josh Koscheck was bitching about not being paid.
true that, Mr. NC-17. Pulver wins the pong match. great.
Ah, relief…
I am so happy Manny won.
I do agree that the fight was stagnant to the extent that Manny just shut Joe down for all but 30 seconds in the third.
I say Gray wins Nate. I absolutely hate nate, I dont know why Karo was pulling that $hit. Unless it was just to pump manny incase he had to fight Diaz and work alittle mind games vs Nate.
Maybe white is getting Nick Diaz back for a rematch with Karo latter this fall to fill in some extra time and let Fitch and Sanchez rumble…
I think Manny has a good chance of taking the whole thing, hes got the wind, the takedown and works 24/7 on the ground. Might not be pretty but it works.
I wonder what the coaches have to do to win the 10K? I cant see it being anything too complicated Armwrestling, Pushups in a minute.
I think Diaz lucked out he didnt fight Cory Hill in Quarter Finals, I just dont think hes as good as he thinks he is.
The pong match was fuckin great. that was hilarious!
they played ping pong for the 10k. shamrock beat tito at pool but got dominated. will this be the same for pulver? dun dun dun!
i hate to say i told you so. manny is a pit bull. i thought it would be a little more competitive though.
Who is winning the Diaz fight? I am in PST. Word is Dana is booking a Fight nite with the Lauzon brothers vs the Diaz brothers.
LMAO at the haircut
lol nate trying to deny him fighting emotionally. “mentally retarded”
Dang this is a pleasent surprise. I hope Manyard has teh wrestling, and more importantly, the strength, to deal with Manny like this.
WOW great fight here, Gray was all over nate like a dirty shirt, yet had to be very wary of arm bars and triangles. Go Gray!
And WTF was up Karo’s ass? His superiority complex is awful.
great power moves by manyard, but diaz never gave up looking for a sub. great work!
Uhhhhhh nevermind. Diaz did great. Not a shock, but a slight disapointment.
Dang. Nevermind, didnt somebody up there say Manyard won? Alright it’s over. Manny won. Can’t see Diaz dealing with his freakin Strength.
Dana White – “I’m proud of everybody who was on this show…… except Gabe Rudiger.”
nate= booooo, i hate his ass. at least i got to see his face get smashed a few times
If Manny can’t ground and pound Lauzon, he will have trouble doing that to Diaz. It’ll be interesting to watch nonetheless.
I think this was the best season since the first. Sucks that its over already, good guys and good fights.
I dislike manny so much.. hes tough though.. his fukin cuzzz karo is a punk.. wat is he gay, constantly touching people.. doesnt matter who u r, someone is goin to fight back when there disrespected. wat an idoit..
So happy Diaz won. hes goin to have to get a better stand up, maybe do some bench pressing to haha. but this is goin to be a good fight cant wait.. Two pulver guys.. heell yea bj u cocky fuk u cant be pulver in aNYTHING!!
Is ankle biting legal??? NO??? Well I guess I’m going with
Diaz on this one….sucks though…I was looking forward to a possible Lauzon vs. Diaz fight….
wait, who won nate or gray?
i thought that ping pong match was awesome, i couldn’t stop laughing, did you guys see dana white? he loved that shit, just more fuel for bj penn’s fire…i had a bad feeling manny was gonna win, too bad for joe, i like that guy, he doens’t deserve to have to fight spencer fisher in his first fight either, he should get an easier fight…diaz is a submission machine, watching that fight i knew gray was gonna get tired and slip up eventually…now we know why bj was so pissed and jens couldn’t stop smiling at 69 when joe rogan interviewed them, an all pulver final and a 10k win on the ping pong table…bj is gonna destroy pulver and diaz will beat manny somehow someway…
Why does anyone hate any of these fighter, other than the Titonic Colonic or the Muay Thai Lie Guy? I dont get hatin on Nate or Manny. They both earned it.
i hope they announce some more match ups tomorrow for the finale, like who joe is fighting or who c. hill is fighting or gray or wiman etc etc…
[quote comment="79260"]Why does anyone hate any of these fighter, other than the Titonic Colonic or the Muay Thai Lie Guy? I dont get hatin on Nate or Manny. They both earned it.[/quote]
they both definitely earned it, they got my respect…cocky or not, they backed their shit up and no doubt deserve their shot in the final…
Manny is a lil fucken pitbull and dominated Joe and just gassed his ass…Nate showed crazyyyyy heart and determination and did his thanggg, never got nervous or panicked…I think when Manny takes Nate down, Nate will submit him in the 1st or 2nd round but who knows if Manny will just ground and pound his way to a decision victory…
Is Karo for real? Talented fighter but come on man, grow up, it’s like he has a King Tut complex. I was disappointed with both Joe and Gray, I was hoping they would win, that Manny is a f**king tank though, and Diaz is crazy with his submissions. I actually think gray would beat Manny though and Diaz is the man to beat gray, great submissions against a good wrestler. I don’t think Manny would do well against gray because he seems to count on getting top position I don’t think he would do well on his back. Him and Diaz will be an interesting match, for some reason I don’t really like either guy so I really don’t care who wins.
I was thinking Karo looked a little testoed up, and he sure acted like it. Test that guy.
morethanufc, i think his testo levels are naturally high. that explains his hair… all over.
[quote comment="79275"]morethanufc, i think his testo levels are naturally high. that explains his hair… all over.[/quote]
nah thats just called puberty
I didn’t realize Karo was such a prick. I thought Nate handeled it well. Manny The Midget Maniac, damn that guy is tough. I really wanted see Joe in the finales, but Manny took it to him. I’m still waiting to see Nate fight! Hope like hell he wins.
Ahhh gray doggggggggg. He is still the man.
Right on Nate! Took a bit of a beatin but pulled it out!
Ping Pong match was priceless.
Man, I called Nate vs Joe the whole season, but like always there are surprises! I kept saying over and over that I want Daiz to take the whole thing, but that I thought that joe could beat him. After Diaz’s fight I take that back, I think that Diaz could beat Louzon. As for Manny, I hate to play Dana Repeat, but I think Diaz will own him. I can’t wait to see his hand riased at the end. My favorite fighter off all time is Nick, but I am getting to a point that Nate is a spitten image of Nick.
I remember that someone commented on some previous posts that they thought Nate did not know shit, be it stand up or BJJ, and after that fight I say “I told you so.” Manny will be strong, but I think Diaz will submit him with ease. Also I fealt Diaz did way more work from the bottom, then Gray did from top, blood or no blood.
Cannot wait for the final.
LAter
Chris Valentine
What the hell is a King Tut complex?
Wow, I doubt I could have found that many words to describe Lauzon-Gamburyan. A tip of my hat for that Jesse. I would have summarized it as an amazingly boring fight. No technique involved, Manny dominated with his physique and Lauzon was already breathing hard at the beginning of round 2.
Maynard-Diaz was a whole different story. Gray showed alot of his wrestling background in round 1 and did a great job on delivering some punishment. Diaz on the other hand showed amazing jiu-jitsu and his transitions between submission attempts looked good. Maynard is a little bit too one-dimensional, but he has a promising career ahead, so no need to get depressed. Diaz is – as expected – the real deal. What he lacks in social skills, he makes up with good standup and even better jiu-jitsu.
If Manny follows the same non-existant gameplan with Diaz as he did with Lauzon, he’ll get a gogoplata in the first round. Lauzon-Maynard could very well become a war. Not bad matchups for the finals, althou I won’t deny I was disappointed when I heard there was no Diaz-Lauzon. Finals are good, not good enough Dana to declare TUF5 a great season.
Nate Diaz talking about how hes “not an emotional fighter” was hilarious. “the only emotions i feel is if i lose, im gonna be fucking pissed off” LOL!!!
Shoot was the 12 episode on after the 11th… I sure hope not.
If it was I will commit.
[quote comment="79454"]Nate Diaz talking about how hes “not an emotional fighter” was hilarious. “the only emotions i feel is if i lose, im gonna be fucking pissed off” LOL!!![/quote]
I agree, I thought that whole sequence was great. Typical Diaz brother. Nate is less angry than Nick, but still more than most ppl. Both kids act American, but think Asian. Respect is given once its been earned, and not before. But once it is, you have one hell of an ally.
How well rounded are the Diaz brothers? BJJ or course, both are licensed pro boxers ( Nate might still be working on his license, but shoould have it by now ) and Nick has had pro boxing bouts, they both compete in gi and no gi submission contests, and to top it all off, both compete in triathalons. Just sick.
Yeah, there’s a lot to hate about the kid… put dont the potato chips and try any of that, d/a’s.
[quote comment="79454"]Nate Diaz talking about how hes “not an emotional fighter” was hilarious. “the only emotions i feel is if i lose, im gonna be fucking pissed off” LOL!!![/quote]
LMFAO that was so brilliant, ahhhhhh, nate is cool, just like his brother, i want him to win but think Manny will do the same as he did against Joe
Good for Manny, but the fight was BORING!!! After his MMA career is through Manny could get a job as a blanket.
Good for Nate, that fight had more going on than the Lauzon/Gamb fight, and it was half as long. Should be a good final. Maybe it’s just me, but do Penn and Pulver look like the could use a little more time on the treadmill and doing some push-ups?
Nother good write up Jesse. I passed out before Episode 12…
Should be an interesting final, Diaz has great ground work where as Manny doesnt finish well.
[quote comment="79380"]What the hell is a King Tut complex?[/quote]
Did they maybe mean Napoleon Complex?
Why all the hate for Manny? You shouldn’t judge Manny’s character by his cousin’s actions. I think he showed himself as a classy guy through the season. He is so strong, quick, and technical that he creates match up problems for almost anyone. He dominated Joe, who looked unstoppable in his previous fights . Looking forward to Nate vs Manny, should be exciting.
TO all the people saying that i ruined the ultimate fighter show by saying that “on Rashads myspace he has a pic with him and forrest and gray which says (ulitmate fighter 5 star). Everyone was basically crying and saying “oh now u ruined the show. I kept sayig that it wasnt definate and they could just be calling him the star cause he lasted so long, and plus he trained with rashad and forrest. WELL LOOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!! DIAZ ONE SO I ACTUALLY MADE IT A NICE SURPRISE TO WATCH.
I meant DIAZ WON
[quote comment="79271"]I was thinking Karo looked a little testoed up, and he sure acted like it. Test that guy.[/quote]
He sure did try to own the locker room out of nowhere… and his eyes were as big as saucers! Tryin’ to get Diaz to come talk to him in the hallway after he just won a fight… screw that jackass. I’m not a Karo guy.
Mmmmmmm Ali Sonoma in nothing but a cornish pasty!
GREAT TYPO
[quote comment="79587"]Tryin’ to get Diaz to come talk to him in the hallway after he just won a fight… screw that jackass. I’m not a Karo guy.[/quote]
Actually, Diaz didnt ‘just win’ Manny did..
And yeah, after checking out Ali the fight night, she definitely has a sexy body… my type. lil more then a 115lb lil girl, yummy curves.
Since the beginning, Nate and Joe were my two favorites. Nick Diaz is my absolute favorite MMA fighter, so of course I’m going to like his little brother. After learning more about him this season, I truely like him, but not quite as much as Nick…..yet.
I was dissapointed in Joe’s performance. He could not handle Manny’s strenth and take downs. There is no way that Joe can become champ at 155 while Sean Sherk has the belt. Manny is similar to Sherk in size, but Sherk is even stronger, and is about 10 leves above Manny in every aspect of the game, except for Judo. But Sherk makes up for it being 20 times the better wrestler. The only thing that impressed me with Joe was the way he got out of that choke, and that other sweet as reversal he had.
Nate has heart. He really did want it more than anyone else. He took punishment from the bottom, but he tried pulling off about 20 submissions in the meen time. After watching the first round, I still thought that Diaz would win. I didn’t think that Gray could knock him out while standing, and Nate really knows how to avoid serious punishment from the bottom while working his excellent submission game. THe match ended exactly how I expected. Nate winning by submission.
I too was hoping for a Nate/Joe finals, but now I am very interested in the finals, and the runner up match.
Manny fights like old people fuck. Slow and boring!!
[quote comment="79245"]Dana White – “I’m proud of everybody who was on this show…… except Gabe Rudiger.”[/quote]
Did he really add that last bit? If not he should have.
I thought I saw a leak on the board that Gray won so I assumed Joe would win because noone mentioned him losing. I was a bit shocked to see Manny just take him down and hold him down most of the fight. That last two minutes when Joe took his back… I thought man what a lousy deal for Manny to dominate the whole time and then get choked out like this.
But then Manny reversed it. Wow. I was really surprised how that turned out and I wonder if the expectations hadn’t gotten to Joe a bit. Everyone just assumed he was going to win the whole thing from the start.
I like Nate’s style. He is crafty and always working. Gray thought he had him but it’s like he ended up being on the defensive even though he was on top. Nate and Cole both have really good submissions.
New nickname: The Manny-mal
[quote comment="79574"]TO all the people saying that i ruined the ultimate fighter show by saying that “on Rashads myspace he has a pic with him and forrest and gray which says (ulitmate fighter 5 star). Everyone was basically crying and saying “oh now u ruined the show. I kept sayig that it wasnt definate and they could just be calling him the star cause he lasted so long, and plus he trained with rashad and forrest. WELL LOOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!! DIAZ ONE SO I ACTUALLY MADE IT A NICE SURPRISE TO WATCH.[/quote]
nobody thought you were right, it was just not cool that you thought you were and were trying to spoil it for everyone else, it was dumb for you to come on here and say what you said, and this is almost as bad…(one is a number, won is to have came out on top in a competition)
Couldn’t agree with your comments about Dana more, Mania. The way he waving that brick of bills around speaks a lot about his character. He’s a pompous ass who should really get out from in front of the camera.
[quote comment="79662"][quote comment="79574"]TO all the people saying that i ruined the ultimate fighter show by saying that “on Rashads myspace he has a pic with him and forrest and gray which says (ulitmate fighter 5 star). Everyone was basically crying and saying “oh now u ruined the show. I kept sayig that it wasnt definate and they could just be calling him the star cause he lasted so long, and plus he trained with rashad and forrest. WELL LOOOK WHAT HAPPENED!!! DIAZ ONE SO I ACTUALLY MADE IT A NICE SURPRISE TO WATCH.[/quote]
nobody thought you were right, it was just not cool that you thought you were and were trying to spoil it for everyone else, it was dumb for you to come on here and say what you said, and this is almost as bad…(one is a number, won is to have came out on top in a competition)[/quote]
Ok Spida..is that why people were saying that their not even gonna watch the show anymore? Yeah their not gonna want to watch the show cause they dont think im right. Tehy thought i was right. Plus if you look right under my comment i already corrected myself… GOOD TRY THOUGH!!
Manny was given a huge advantage having his cousin at every fight. Why couldn’t Nate have Nick there or Joe have his brother Dan? Manny is not impressive to me at all. He didn’t finish of Lauzon in the first two rounds when Joe was clearly confused. Joe was relying on his corner way too much. I honestly think Karo got in his head. He should have boxed that dwarf. I hope Diaz uses that tremendous reach advantage to expose Manny. Karo is a total tool.
Why oh why didn’t Joe either box or atleast make an attempt to shoot first. Manny’s GnP isn’t even impressive, he just holds you down. Honestly I think Joe did more on the ground in the first round than Manny did on top. I gave the third round to him too. Unfortunately the points system is there for a reason.
Had Joe listened to BJ and let him have his back I think he would have done better, Joe’s submission defense on the guilotines was pretty impressive. Joe is definitely the much better fighter in my book.
I thought Joe Lauzon kept looking to his corner for help almost like he was helpless about what to do in any given situation the entire fight. He must of been super nervous or something. Manny really wasn’t that impressive even though he was the victor. I thought this fight sucked pretty much. The Maynard and Diaz fight was awesome. I didnt expect Maynard to come out and dominate Diaz in the first round like he did. Diaz knows exactly what he’s doing though even when he’s taking a beating, and kept throwing up submission attempts anyway he could. Eventually one landed (via guillatine). Diaz should destroy Manny in the finals. Nate is going to be the next Nick Diaz, almost identical fighting styles. That’s brothers for you I guess. I hope Maynard works on a few of his weak points cause I actually want to see him in the UFC sooner or later. P.S. I laughed so hard when they showed Dana’s face in slow motion at the ping pog table when the ball bounced really high beside him, that was hilarious.
i had manny vs maynard in the final, so i was half right, im picking Manny to, im sure his cuz has helped him more and we know Karo is the man!!! screw nate he talks sh*t and pulls sh*t pranks and when Karo does a little thing he blows up, big deal, why wouldnt he go talk(cuz he knew he would get judo-flipped and break his neck) i would love to see these two in the ring Karo would KO in the first no doubt!!!! Go Manny “Heat Jr.” Woof!!!
definately would of liked to see joe win, Karo is a major jackass, “dont these guys know who I am?” I was hoping he would get a shot soon, but now I would like to see him get smacked in the face. Karo should be fighting Nick Diaz at the finale.
[quote post="2435"]The only thing that impressed me with Joe was the way he got out of that choke, and that other sweet as reversal he had.[/quote]
Did you notice that the reversal came when Manny was doing the most active GnP of the fight? Joe woke up and looked great every time it looked like Manny was doing something that was an actual threat, rather than just smothering him… I think Joe just didn’t have his head in the fight the rest of the time.
Even though the fight was boring, I wouldn’t mind a rematch, if Joe could get his head in the game…
all that matters is whose hand is raised at the end manny haters. i hope he ” blankets ” diaz the whole fight too. both diaz brothers are punks and i would have loved to see karo flip nate on his candy ass. IMO manny’s win wasn’t much different than randy’s win over sylvia. but you’re all entitled to your opinion.
[quote post="2435"]all that matters is whose hand is raised at the end manny haters.[/quote]
I disagree. Winning by decision is fundamentally inferior to winning by KO, TKO or submission, especially when the decision is due to controlling but not damaging. I want to know what would happen if the fight just kept going until someone stopped their opponent.
The Huerta V. Garcia decision didn’t bother me, because it was pretty clear that if they kept going Garcia was gonna get KO’d… And it was clear that Huerta wanted to finish the fight. But if Manny and Joe kept going, I don’t know what would be more likely, Manny being choked, or Joe getting KO’d… Manny hardly tried anything to end the fight, and that isn’t fighting, that is trying to win by using the rules, rather than your skills…
[quote comment="79411"]Wow, I doubt I could have found that many words to describe Lauzon-Gamburyan. A tip of my hat for that Jesse. I would have summarized it as an amazingly boring fight. No technique involved, Manny dominated with his physique and Lauzon was already breathing hard at the beginning of round 2.
Maynard-Diaz was a whole different story. Gray showed alot of his wrestling background in round 1 and did a great job on delivering some punishment. Diaz on the other hand showed amazing jiu-jitsu and his transitions between submission attempts looked good. Maynard is a little bit too one-dimensional, but he has a promising career ahead, so no need to get depressed. Diaz is – as expected – the real deal. What he lacks in social skills, he makes up with good standup and even better jiu-jitsu.
If Manny follows the same non-existant gameplan with Diaz as he did with Lauzon, he’ll get a gogoplata in the first round. Lauzon-Maynard could very well become a war. Not bad matchups for the finals, althou I won’t deny I was disappointed when I heard there was no Diaz-Lauzon. Finals are good, not good enough Dana to declare TUF5 a great season.[/quote]
i agree that if manny fights diaz the same way he fought joe he will get subbed quick. i don’t like hating on guys but i think manny is the new queen of lay and pray. i love some good gnp but he is all ground w/ no pound. i think he and koscheck should have a dry humping contest w/ jake o’bien as the special ref.
[quote comment="79896"]definately would of liked to see joe win, Karo is a major jackass, “dont these guys know who I am?” I was hoping he would get a shot soon, but now I would like to see him get smacked in the face. Karo should be fighting Nick Diaz at the finale.[/quote]
Karo would take it to Nick with ease, i would love to see Karo demolish him, but lets get to the real fight Karo should fight the winner of Kos/Pierre and then that winner actually get the title fight either way Karo is champ when the day comes that he fights for the belt
besides Karo already beat him, lets see Karo vs Nate! its a gimmie for Karo but Nate aint nothing and thinks he is everything so i would like to see him put in his place, nobody disrespects Karo!! “do you know who he is?!” haha jk but i wouldnt mind seein Karo smash him
EPISODE 11 was THE BIGGEST dissapointment I’ve ever witnessed in my life. Manny sucks, all he does is hump all over his opponents until he can get a decission. Alright judging strictly by the 3rd round which is what is supposed to be judged in the fight, JOE KILLED MANNY, manny did shit in the 3rd round. The last 10 seconds all he did was throw crazy haymakers that didn’t find Joe’s face once just to give the illusion of control, which is the only thing guy-humping Manny did the whole fight, control, he just laid on top and humped away. I HOPE I NEVER HAVE TO SEE ONE OF THESE BORING MANNY FIGHTS AGAIN, JOE GOT SCREWED, THE 3RD ROUND WAS HIS!!
[quote comment="79587"][quote comment="79271"]I was thinking Karo looked a little testoed up, and he sure acted like it. Test that guy.[/quote]
He sure did try to own the locker room out of nowhere… and his eyes were as big as saucers! Tryin’ to get Diaz to come talk to him in the hallway after he just won a fight… screw that jackass. I’m not a Karo guy.[/quote]
EXACTLY, I didn’t notice this as obviously, but I have the episode recorded, go back and look, right before it shows Manny talkin all about himself before the fight, the camera switches to him and he’s sniffing holding one nostril for like 5 seconds, we all cracked up here, it was OBVIOUS he was snorting some booger sugar there. AS SOON AS I SAW THIS, I turned to my brother and said “WELL NOW WE KNOW HOW HE WAS SO MUCH MORE PUMPED UP AND JUST BASICALLY A DIFFERENT FIGHTER THE LAST FIGHT AFTER BIG CUZ’ KARO SHOWED UP [OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME PRESENTS].”
I can’t knock Manny because of Karo’s actions. I don’t think they’re on coke, that’s a stretch. I think Karo simply tried to intimidate Manny’s competition. He did it to Lauzon and Diaz. He wants people to automatically respect him no matter what he says or does. Respect has to be earned.
[quote comment="79991"][quote comment="79587"][quote comment="79271"]I was thinking Karo looked a little testoed up, and he sure acted like it. Test that guy.[/quote]
He sure did try to own the locker room out of nowhere… and his eyes were as big as saucers! Tryin’ to get Diaz to come talk to him in the hallway after he just won a fight… screw that jackass. I’m not a Karo guy.[/quote]
EXACTLY, I didn’t notice this as obviously, but I have the episode recorded, go back and look, right before it shows Manny talkin all about himself before the fight, the camera switches to him and he’s sniffing holding one nostril for like 5 seconds, we all cracked up here, it was OBVIOUS he was snorting some booger sugar there. AS SOON AS I SAW THIS, I turned to my brother and said “WELL NOW WE KNOW HOW HE WAS SO MUCH MORE PUMPED UP AND JUST BASICALLY A DIFFERENT FIGHTER THE LAST FIGHT AFTER BIG CUZ’ KARO SHOWED UP [OBVIOUSLY WITH SOME PRESENTS].”[/quote]
I noticed the exact same thing, the clip was very quick but it was clearly a quick snort of some kind, I also cracked up. I really think Karo is in the mafia
[quote comment="79632"][quote comment="79245"]Dana White – “I’m proud of everybody who was on this show…… except Gabe Rudiger.”[/quote]
Did he really add that last bit? If not he should have.[/quote]
haha he didn’t, but I thought it was fitting to add if for him.
man i get tired of these Karo hatters!!! Back off!! He is the man and deserves the respect he demands! nobody has ever given him any cuz he was cocky, the only reason he is a major ass now is cuz he is pissed noone shows him respect!! when he is holding the belt late this year, probably early next, then will yall respect him? i would love for him to slap me around, it lets you know your good and you are getting noticed by the best! it would only pump me up! GO KARO “THE HEAT” WOOF!!!!
[quote comment="80217"]man i get tired of these Karo hatters!!! Back off!! He is the man and deserves the respect he demands! nobody has ever given him any cuz he was cocky, the only reason he is a major ass now is cuz he is pissed noone shows him respect!! when he is holding the belt late this year, probably early next, then will yall respect him? i would love for him to slap me around, it lets you know your good and you are getting noticed by the best! it would only pump me up! GO KARO “THE HEAT” WOOF!!!![/quote]
if he does ever hold the belt it definitely won’t be this year, probably not til next summer some time…
[quote comment="80221"][quote comment="80217"]man i get tired of these Karo hatters!!! Back off!! He is the man and deserves the respect he demands! nobody has ever given him any cuz he was cocky, the only reason he is a major ass now is cuz he is pissed noone shows him respect!! when he is holding the belt late this year, probably early next, then will yall respect him? i would love for him to slap me around, it lets you know your good and you are getting noticed by the best! it would only pump me up! GO KARO “THE HEAT” WOOF!!!![/quote]
if he does ever hold the belt it definitely won’t be this year, probably not til next summer some time…[/quote]
Nope. He absolutely will not. Especially with BJ also joining the mix. BJ is gonna hold the WW belt by the end of 08.
Chuckland, would you really enjoy getting “bitch-slapped” by Karo?[quote comment="80217"]man i get tired of these Karo hatters!!! Back off!! He is the man and deserves the respect he demands! nobody has ever given him any cuz he was cocky, the only reason he is a major ass now is cuz he is pissed noone shows him respect!! when he is holding the belt late this year, probably early next, then will yall respect him? i would love for him to slap me around, it lets you know your good and you are getting noticed by the best! it would only pump me up! GO KARO “THE HEAT” WOOF!!!![/quote]
[quote comment="79915"][quote post="2435"]all that matters is whose hand is raised at the end manny haters.[/quote]
I disagree. Winning by decision is fundamentally inferior to winning by KO, TKO or submission, especially when the decision is due to controlling but not damaging. I want to know what would happen if the fight just kept going until someone stopped their opponent.
The Huerta V. Garcia decision didn’t bother me, because it was pretty clear that if they kept going Garcia was gonna get KO’d… And it was clear that Huerta wanted to finish the fight. But if Manny and Joe kept going, I don’t know what would be more likely, Manny being choked, or Joe getting KO’d… Manny hardly tried anything to end the fight, and that isn’t fighting, that is trying to win by using the rules, rather than your skills…[/quote]
rules is rules, we weren’t comparing types of winning anyway. it was winning vs losing. manny > joe
I don’t care how good a fighter karo is..he’s still such a jerk and for that, I understand why so many people hate him and disrespect him! he needs to get his ass kicked badly.
[quote comment="81997"]I don’t care how good a fighter karo is..he’s still such a jerk and for that, I understand why so many people hate him and disrespect him! he needs to get his ass kicked badly.[/quote]
I absolutely agree. I like Karo for his fighting but now that I know how he is outside the cage, I think he is a prick and he will never hold the WW belt.