By Jesse Holland
Brian Vanochten of The Grand Rapids Press recently posted an article on mlive.com discussing – get this – his contempt for the UFC.
Pretty groundbreaking stuff.
It’s difficult for me to comprehend how a writer of even the slightest competence can be so creatively bankrupt as to resort to an anti-UFC rant like the one he’s presented.
I hate to use a term like “been there, done that” but it’s been a long time since journalists first started running a train on the UFC, and Vanochten’s contribution is about as dry and painful as one would expect from his place in line.
A deluge of athletes and journalists have been jumping on the UFC bashing bandwagon as of late, and I find the timing of his article anything but coincidental.
I could take the time to dissect his commentary on the evils of cage fighting and the warped “Neanderthals” who follow it, but both the context and content of his post are nothing more than a plagiarized jeremiad borrowed from more qualified critics.
Those critics include boxers like Floyd Mayweather and Tommy Morrison, and while their condemnation of the UFC was equally ignorant, they do have a legitimate gripe: Both are standing on a sinking ship with no land in sight.
Vanochten on the other hand, sounds like a little boy intimidated by an entity that he does not understand. Because he is still not able to accept the idea that it’s okay for human beings to have varying tastes and opinions, he must categorize and generalize.
Like most detractors, he’s made little effort to research or experience the complexities of mixed martial arts. Instead, he simply plays it safe and mocks from a distance, like those two creepy old Muppets who used to talk shit from the theatre balcony.
I understand at this point in my life that the kind of behavior that Vanochten exhibits is born of insecurity. And one look at his mugshot confirms it. This is a man who is self-loathing and afraid. Afraid of not being accepted for being who he is.
If I were wrong then he would not be clinging to that horrific and painfully obvious comb-over. Having eighteen inches of hair growing out of the side of your head and pasted to your scalp doesn’t exactly reek of confidence.
People will accept him for being bald. Just as people will accept him for being an incompetent writer. That unholy union of cilia he’s trying to pass off as hair is obviously a shallow attempt at hiding a deeper insecurity.
To that end, so was his article.
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One word –
TWAT
Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.
I hope everyone read the whole article. I this guys email address if anyone wants it. I sent him two yesterday when I read this. Polite and pointed, but I hope he choked on his coffee and 3 dozen donuts when he read it.
Typical article written by the nerdy, pocket-protecting, non-athletic dorks that roamed the high schools. There just so many ways to tool this guy it just wouldn’t be any fun.
[quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Ha!
RenzoHatfield: OMG you made me laugh so hard i spit ou t half my breakfast! You owe me $1 haha!
GP
He reminds me of Woody Harrlison(if thats how you spell it) from Kinpin with the comb over.
lets just keep in mind that they are old and will, theoretically, die sooner than us.
Look at that tool. He looks like he was probably always picked on as a kid (and still know) and he prob. doesn’t want to see the “school bully” glamorized for being able to beat the crap out of someone.PATHETIC
NOW* (meant to put now and not know on the previous post)
Where exactly is Grand Rapids, anyway, and why should I care what someone from Grand Rapids thinks?
[quote post="2325"]That unholy union of cilia he’s trying to pass off as hair is obviously a shallow attempt at hiding a deeper insecurity[/quote]
Thats just funny, I don’t care who you are
When I first looked at his pic, I thought he had a ball-cap on, I mean, my God man, shave your head, at least some people will think you courageous for doing it, instead of the automatic “pathetic loser” reaction your current lid evokes.
Hahahaha, just look at the guy……he’s so upset because he was the kid who got beat up by these guys in school
a example, a dumb sports writer has no clue what he is talking about.
I will take his e-mail I will a actually e-mail him, politely (which he does not deserve) and straight to the point.
Shows you people do have such of a thing as too much freedom of speech.
Just look at the guy,can we really take him to heart.All he is out to do is get his name out in the big media band-wagon dorks.
Not sure if Mania would want me to put the guys email up, so here is a link to where you can find it. Be polite ppl.
http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/06/04/writer-mma-fans-are-cave-dwellers/
Hahaha reminds me of that old Kids in the Hall episode where the guy wears literally a dead animal on his head and walks around like nothing is the matter. And people are continually disgusted by it and he pretends not to notice.
What an asshat, maybe if he had learned something besides how to be negative, he would be able to accomplish something positive.
Ummm… This really is one of the worst articles I have ever seen criticizing the UFC.
This guy is a Bit#$…Dont be afraid of something that you know nothing about! I cant stand it when people start running their mouths when they havent tried to embrace the sport first. If he has tried MMA and doesnt like it, then fine, I can live with that….but dont bash the thing we love. I would love to see this hot mess on the street one day. He’d be sleepin on the pavement.
P.S. That guys hair is a damn joke….Does he seriously think it looks good?
please could people stop giving these stupid mma bashing articles the time of day. they are trying 2 boost the pathetic careers by using the growing popularity of the ufc. we should not help them by reporting it on our sites!
I cant see the last three posts, listed on the right, but not on the thread. WTHeck is up, bro? I almost dont wanna type long posts anymore.
[quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Suzie’s here, we’re getting back together!
Actually, this is a fine example of why the online degrees of phoenix university are the most valid in the land.
hes got enough fore head to fit another face..
“Here’s what UFC fans have in common:
A. They’re mostly Nean-
derthal males hiding in caves.
B. They’re not nearly sophisticated enough to appreciate the sweet science of boxing, nor the infield fly rule, the pick-and-roll, the left-wing lock, the bump draft or the pulling right guard.
C. They still think the “Flintstones” is a documentary.”
A. My IQ is higher than Brian Vanochten’s. I live in a house.
B. I enjoy many, many sports. Why does being a fan of mixed martial arts mean I cannot enjoy other sports? Did he imply that NASCAR is more “sophisticated” than jiu-jitsu? Also, the infield-fly is a weird technical rule of baseball, why compare to the pick-and-roll or pulling an offensive lineman?
C. That is basically a reiteration of point A, meaning that Brian Vanochten is so lacking in creativity that, in a list of three points, two are the same. Think about that.
In conclusion, Brian Vanochten couldn’t get laid in a brothel with a suitcase full of twenty dollar bills (sorry, I hate to be petty, but he started it).
I love how UFC fans are supposedly so “low brow” yet he resorts to name-calling to make his point. I’d rather not respond to him directly or his paper, it’s probably what they are hoping for actually.
Oh, lord. What a twit. So Boxing is a real sport, judo is real, karate is real, but mix these together and it equals not real? Unreal.
LOL this guy is a joke, he’s too much of a nerd to make me mad, just looking at his picture made me laugh. Nice comb over dork, I bet this guy got a wedgie on a daily basis at school, and comforts himself with a bucket of icecream.
[quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Hahaha…classic
This thread is jacked up. Comments stop at PW. Jesse just posted and its vanished too.
This wimps writing does bring up a salient point to me, and please take this seriously……the UFC is the only real escape we have from what I call, the “pussy-fication” of the United States
This writer, Brian V., has been “pussy-fied”. Lets look at examples of how America, any many other Americans have become “pussy-fied”
1) 2 people cannot fight in the real-world anymore because a lawsuit will inevitably be brought up by one of the parties involved.
2) Staggering divorce rates have forced an enitre generation of boys to be raised by thier moms only, with no real male influence. Men don’t know how to be men anymore.
3) Sensativity-training in the Military!! Are we serious??
4) American Idol, Will & Grace, Queer eye for the Straight Guy, MTV, VH1, CNN, and the other politically-correct bull-shit.
5) Doggie-day-care.
6) Article 9, which FORCES colleges to drop mens sports programs in order to have an “equal” amount of womens sports programs…..While this sounds good and nice, the FACT is, about 80% of all men play sports as opposed to 30% of all women…..By the numbers, doesn’t it just MAKE SENSE to have more mens sports???? What a joke.
7) Gay-marriage. Stop being worried about being called “insensitive” or a “bigot”, this is a perfect example of the “pussy-fication”. I’m sorry, to me,”gay-marriage” is an oxymoron. Just to clarify, I don’t care if you are gay, but, wait…see here I go now…
9) We have lost common sense in country due to political-correctness. This is how I KNOW America has been, “Pussy-fied”
Thank God for the UFC!!!!!!!!!!!!
Whatever I’m not even gonna read this article. Who cares that someone else hates mma? It deffinatly isn’t a guy that we have to worry about (like McCain) having any ability to sway anything. If anything it makes people who don’t know the sport to want to watch and see what everyone is taking about.
i’m gonna give this guy the benefit of the doubt and say that he’s simply doing this to get some attention because i refuse to believe that there are writers out there that are this ignorant and that want an ass-whooping this badly.
Hey UFCmania did u kick a dude name Big Daddy out. Please dont do it i really like his comments and i definetly enjoy them.. Please
Man. There’s been a lot of UFC critics lately with ridiculous arguments but this guy just sh*ts all over them in terms of stupidity. What a lousy excuse for sports journalism.
[quote comment="73207"]This thread is jacked up. Comments stop at PW. Jesse just posted and its vanished too.[/quote]
Everything looks fine to me … even in IE.
[quote comment="73217"]Hey UFCmania did u kick a dude name Big Daddy out. Please dont do it i really like his comments and i definetly enjoy them.. Please[/quote]
I did not kcik anyone by that name out. In fact, inly two people have ever been “kicked out” of this site — he is not one of them.
OMG that’s a combover?? Until you said that, I thought he had a black baseball cap turned backward and pushed back on his head….
[quote comment="73222"][quote comment="73207"]This thread is jacked up. Comments stop at PW. Jesse just posted and its vanished too.[/quote]
Everything looks fine to me … even in IE.
[quote comment="73217"]Hey UFCmania did u kick a dude name Big Daddy out. Please dont do it i really like his comments and i definetly enjoy them.. Please[/quote]
I did not kcik anyone by that name out. In fact, inly two people have ever been “kicked out” of this site — he is not one of them.[/quote]
Thanks for telling me.
Maybe it was me, all is fine now. Who knows… It seems to happen a lot lately though on both my PCs.
Mania said all that needs to be said about Vanochten, and he included the tell-tale pic of this worm.
[quote post="2325"]6) Article 9, which FORCES colleges to drop mens sports programs in order to have an “equal” amount of womens sports programs…..While this sounds good and nice, the FACT is, about 80% of all men play sports as opposed to 30% of all women…..By the numbers, doesn’t it just MAKE SENSE to have more mens sports???? What a joke.[/quote]
GREAT POINT! 400 mens wrestling programs have been lost in the last 15 years, only 70 div 1 schools now have mens wrestling. That is fuuucking sad.
[quote comment="73217"]Hey UFCmania did u kick a dude name Big Daddy out. Please dont do it i really like his comments and i definetly enjoy them.. Please[/quote]
We would probably just close the commenting on a particular post if it got out of hand…but you gotta really screw the pooch before Mania asks you to leave…
Mines been messing up like that since the 71 fight. I post and they along with other peoples post take like an hour or so to appear.
haha schiro…you make some good points…also parents can go to jail for spanking their kids…..kids need to be spanked imo..it wont ruin them, it will just teach them a lesson….i dont know where the ufc is involved in all of that, but i can see where youre coming from
[quote comment="73201"][quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Hahaha…classic[/quote]
Yes, hilarious…nearly genius for a Neanderthal – RenzoHatfield, you must actually be a Cro-Magnon. I dare say that Vanochten is a Brontosaurus …er Apatasaurus.
I also find it amazing how Neanderthals, primitive as we are, have the resources to generate all those PPV dollars.
[quote comment="73240"]Mines been messing up like that since the 71 fight. I post and they along with other peoples post take like an hour or so to appear.[/quote]
R u serious, maybe u have a slow Pc. i have a loptop that is highspeed so my comments hits the article in 8 seconds. i dont know that is only my opinion. Maybe we should Ask Jesse the Man or ask The Boss man UFCMania.
MMAdude, UFC is the antithesis of the “pussy-fication”, I guess thats my point.
“Creatively bankrupt” I love it. Jesse you have a way with words.
I say…WHATEVER..He has his unalieable right to be a loser..I guess his skull is thicker than Fujita’s and he can’t process MMA in the his brian..he shows symtoms of MMAinjiadis..there may be a cure..but the FDA won’t approve it..Go figure.
[quote comment="73201"][quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Hahaha…classic[/quote]
haha I love those caveman commercials! And I LOVE this guys comeover ! what is he thinking everyday when he does his do? “ahhh nobody even suspects it Brian old buddy”
Also MMAdude, great point about spanking your kids and how it is now capitol offfense. Perfect example of what I was writing about.
Just one more way that show how “pussy-fied” our nation has become.
so this guy is actualy insulting me and every over MMA fan personaly?well if I ever happen to see this sad excuse for a man in the street I will happily give him a free lesson in the difference between streetfighting and MMA.
[quote comment="73254"][quote comment="73240"]Mines been messing up like that since the 71 fight. I post and they along with other peoples post take like an hour or so to appear.[/quote]
R u serious, maybe u have a slow Pc. i have a loptop that is highspeed so my comments hits the article in 8 seconds. i dont know that is only my opinion. Maybe we should Ask Jesse the Man or ask The Boss man UFCMania.[/quote]
No my laptop is brand new and I also have high speed. It’s like a weird glitch or something. I see it post right away in the section and on the side, and sometimes all of a sudden the last like 10 or so posts (everybodys) will go away. It only starting the night of 71, or after their crash should I say.
He looks like a total twirp,the kind of guy who hangs around kids schools with binoculas.
That stupid song, “Where have all the cowboys gone?”… that chick is a dumbazz, where’d they go? They got put in prison for spanking their kids, title 9′ed out of their rodeos, and were raised without a father in the era of no-fault divorce.
[quote comment="73260"][quote comment="73201"][quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Hahaha…classic[/quote]
haha I love those caveman commercials! And I LOVE this guys comeover ! what is he thinking everyday when he does his do? “ahhh nobody even suspects it Brian old buddy”[/quote]
What if it said “bashing the UFC — so easy a sportswriter at a midsize newspaper can do it?”
Well that wouldn’t make sense to me.
Why not?
Because sportswriters are …
Are what? Smart?
RUN AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
[quote comment="73272"]That stupid song, “Where have all the cowboys gone?”… that chick is a dumbazz, where’d they go? They got put in prison for spanking their kids, title 9′ed out of their rodeos, and were raised without a father in the era of no-fault divorce.[/quote]
Bravo.
“Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, I’m just a caveman. I fell on some ice and was later thawed by some of your scientists. Your world frightens and confuses me! When I see my image on the security camera at the country club, I wonder, are they stealing my soul? I get so upset, I hop out of my Range Rover, and run across the fairway to the clubhouse, where I get Carlos to make me one of those martini cocktails he’s so famous for, to soothe my primitive caveman brain. But whatever world you’re from, I do know one thing: in the 10 years from March 22, 1997, when he first noticed the bald patch and started growing the comb-over, until June 2, 2007, when he wrote an article about MMA and the UFC, having never actually watched any of it, my client was legally insane.”
I just find the whole thing ironic that other sports fans are not thrown into a demographic pool… god forbid any sports writer talks about how strong the NBA is with the african american culture, or NHL with canananandians, or how the only teams keeping baseball afloat are the Yankees, Red Sox, Braves, Mets and a few select others. But why is it that MMA fans are assumed to be geld haired drunken 25 year old frat boys screaming for more blood on the TV? MMA fans are Ill tell you, some of the most collected and reserved people in the world, as are fighters in overall. This isnt a situation where Eagles fans are burning jerseys or oposing team fans need special security escourts. This is a situation where combat sports are at another level, that is more controled, refined, and exact than any other that is currently being displayed, and popularity has shifted for it.
Jesse, great words my man.
[/quote] What if it said “bashing the UFC — so easy a sportswriter at a midsize newspaper can do it?”
Well that wouldn’t make sense to me.
Why not?
Because sportswriters are …
Are what? Smart?[/quote]
haha awesome…
[quote comment="73147"]lets just keep in mind that they are old and will, theoretically, die sooner than us.[/quote]
LOL wow that one took me by surprise as I was glancing through, f**king funny man, I really cant figure out why these guys seem to care so much, I mean I couldnt fathom watching figure skating either but I would never waste my time getting pissed about it and bash it. Why do they care if kids are watching UFC instead of boxing? Makes me wonder if he was making money off boxing that he no longer makes because we all buy UFC ppvs?
[quote comment="73184"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..[/quote]
Greatness… one word …Greatness
[quote comment="73184"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..[/quote]
I cannot get enough…STOP….STOP with the funny comments
this reminds me, i was watching espn the day after the Chuck fight…apparently Michael Vick is getting into trouble for having Pit Bull fights at his house..somehow that transitioned to whats the difference between dog fights and the UFC (clip of serra/gsp, Couture flooring Sylvia, and a couple other), anyways if people dont realize the difference between the two they are retarded……There is a difference between people, mostly with college education, using technique, training and discipline to compete against eachother and dogs being trained to be mean and fierce to kill the other dog…..lost a little more respect for espn covering mma……alos schiro…im a little pussified when it comes to the dog fights…i dont get them, or why people want to watch dogs get mangled…or even raise dogs to be mean around a house that at some point might have a little kid in it which it can attach and disfigure for life….sorry for rambling i just remembered this, thought id share
was he sayun n za artikel?
I’ve wrote an article on this as well, and sent him an email. Lets see if I get a reply from this dork.
[quote comment="73192"]Oh, lord. What a twit. So Boxing is a real sport, judo is real, karate is real, but mix these together and it equals not real? Unreal.[/quote]
lmao, that’s the best point I’ve heard.
Well, for cavemen, we do have a pretty good knowledge of the internet and computers…….
I don’t want to get personal, but I’d suspect that the guy who wrote this was looking for this type of response to get some publicity. Well, it worked, look at all the comments on this topic.
He can have his opinion, it’s wrong, but it’s his.
Cirroc, You Funny!! Phil Hartman was a GENIUS!
BTW, do you think that this reporter would be willing to get choked-out or kicked in the leg?
The choke out point is actually a good one. When I try to explain BJJ to ppl, the dont get it sometimes. When I try to explain BJJ in MMA to the casual fan, they really dont get it. So I ALWAYS offer to let them feel a standing side choke ( blood only, no wind constriction ). No one ever takes me up on it… They may not understand jujitsu, but no one ever wants to experience it. This guy is no different. Toss stones from afar, but run when the glass breaks.
mmadude, you are not ‘pussy-fied’ because you think dog-fighting is barbaric, it is, and here is why.
1) The dogs don’t have a choice in the matter. MMA fighters do have a choice.
2) The dogs are killed if they lose, providing they dont’t die during the fight.
I have never heard of a UFC fighter being killed for losing, that only happens to soccer players.
[quote post="2325"]this reminds me, i was watching espn the day after the Chuck fight…apparently Michael Vick is getting into trouble for having Pit Bull fights at his house..somehow that transitioned to whats the difference between dog fights and the UFC (clip of serra/gsp, Couture flooring Sylvia, and a couple other), anyways if people dont realize the difference between the two they are retarded……There is a difference between people, mostly with college education, using technique, training and discipline to compete against eachother and dogs being trained to be mean and fierce to kill the other dog…..lost a little more respect for espn covering mma……alos schiro…im a little pussified when it comes to the dog fights…i dont get them, or why people want to watch dogs get mangled…or even raise dogs to be mean around a house that at some point might have a little kid in it which it can attach and disfigure for life….sorry for rambling i just remembered this, thought id share [/quote]
agreed…Theres is a big difference…but..for the most part people who are directly involved in dog fighting just do it for the money…not saying I agree w/ it but I dont want to bash anything that i have no interest in..
[quote post="2325"]mmadude, you are not “pussy-fied’ because you think dog-fighting is barbaric, it is, and here is why.
1) The dogs don’t have a choice in the matter. MMA fighters do have a choice.
2) The dogs are killed if they lose, providing they dont’t die during the fight.
I have never heard of a UFC fighter being killed for losing, that only happens to soccer players. [/quote]
world cup 94 that was crazy……lol..this is what the colombian coach was probably telling his players before the game..”Go out there and have fun but remember if you accidentally score on our team then i will have you shot you son of a bitches…viva la revolution..
ufcmania did my post just get erased????
[quote comment="73176"]Actually, this is a fine example of why the online degrees of phoenix university are the most valid in the land.[/quote]
I think he got his online dergree on his lunch break… While binging on donuts and crying about his hair. You suck Brian Van-cheese dick.
[quote comment="73184"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..[/quote]
he has a 5-head
[quote post="2325"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..
he has a 5-head [/quote]
which is a strong characteristic of actual neanderthals…go figure.
[quote comment="73162"]Not sure if Mania would want me to put the guys email up, so here is a link to where you can find it. Be polite ppl.
http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/06/04/writer-mma-fans-are-cave-dwellers//quote
I sent him a great (very polite little email) but I did mention at the end to either shave the lid or get on the propecia……..
[quote comment="73416"][quote post="2325"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..
he has a 5-head [/quote]
which is a strong characteristic of actual neanderthals…go figure.[/quote]
LOL. the Irony
[quote comment="73368"][quote post="2325"]this reminds me, i was watching espn the day after the Chuck fight…apparently Michael Vick is getting into trouble for having Pit Bull fights at his house..somehow that transitioned to whats the difference between dog fights and the UFC (clip of serra/gsp, Couture flooring Sylvia, and a couple other), anyways if people dont realize the difference between the two they are retarded……There is a difference between people, mostly with college education, using technique, training and discipline to compete against eachother and dogs being trained to be mean and fierce to kill the other dog…..lost a little more respect for espn covering mma……alos schiro…im a little pussified when it comes to the dog fights…i dont get them, or why people want to watch dogs get mangled…or even raise dogs to be mean around a house that at some point might have a little kid in it which it can attach and disfigure for life….sorry for rambling i just remembered this, thought id share [/quote]
agreed…Theres is a big difference…but..for the most part people who are directly involved in dog fighting just do it for the money…not saying I agree w/ it but I dont want to bash anything that i have no interest in..[/quote]
Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states. It’s OK to bash it. I have no interest in robbing a gas station at gunpoint, but I still feel OK about ripping people who do. Dog fighting is sick. Anyone who gets off on watching two animals maul each other in a pit for up to several hours until one of them either dies or is so badly mangled it has to be put down is sick. Anyone who compares this sort of depraved and felonious activity to legal and sanctioned MMA events is making a short-sighted and false analogy. There.
[quote comment="73433"][quote comment="73162"]Not sure if Mania would want me to put the guys email up, so here is a link to where you can find it. Be polite ppl.
http://www.fightopinion.com/2007/06/04/writer-mma-fans-are-cave-dwellers//quote
I sent him a great (very polite little email) but I did mention at the end to either shave the lid or get on the propecia……..[/quote]
Lol, I sent him a third email today asking why his paper never printed a single email against his column. His editor is just as biased as he is I guess. Hey, isnt Michigan where ToughMan is located? No real MMA for us, just a bunch of drunken amatuers swinging away at each other for pennies. Yup, that’s what we like!
[quote comment="73416"][quote post="2325"]hes got enough fore head to fit another face..
he has a 5-head [/quote]
which is a strong characteristic of actual neanderthals…go figure.[/quote]
HAHAHA freaking hilarious
[quote comment="73369"][quote post="2325"]mmadude, you are not “pussy-fied’ because you think dog-fighting is barbaric, it is, and here is why.
1) The dogs don’t have a choice in the matter. MMA fighters do have a choice.
2) The dogs are killed if they lose, providing they dont’t die during the fight.
I have never heard of a UFC fighter being killed for losing, that only happens to soccer players. [/quote]
world cup 94 that was crazy……lol..this is what the colombian coach was probably telling his players before the game..”Go out there and have fun but remember if you accidentally score on our team then i will have you shot you son of a bitches…viva la revolution..[/quote]
This is true
This nimrod is probably basing his opinion on soundbites … and other writer’s opinions he read off the AP … and maybe he read the SI article.
He probably had a bad hair day and had to piece something together for the editor on short notice and was unprepared. Then he “trolled” it up with the Neanderthal speak to make it sound newsworthy to rest of the news beatniks.
The worst thing about this guy’s combover, is that these pics of writers in the newspaper are usually years old and what they consider to be their best picture…lol.
that guys not fooling anyone with that wig
[quote post="2325"]Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states. It’s OK to bash it. I have no interest in robbing a gas station at gunpoint, but I still feel OK about ripping people who do. Dog fighting is sick. Anyone who gets off on watching two animals maul each other in a pit for up to several hours until one of them either dies or is so badly mangled it has to be put down is sick. Anyone who compares this sort of depraved and felonious activity to legal and sanctioned MMA events is making a short-sighted and false analogy. There. [/quote]
oh well pardon me mr. animal rights dog loving man extroardinare..didnt mean to make you emotional..wwwahhh wahhh wahhh
[quote post="2325"]Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states. It’s OK to bash it. I have no interest in robbing a gas station at gunpoint, but I still feel OK about ripping people who do. Dog fighting is sick. Anyone who gets off on watching two animals maul each other in a pit for up to several hours until one of them either dies or is so badly mangled it has to be put down is sick. Anyone who compares this sort of depraved and felonious activity to legal and sanctioned MMA events is making a short-sighted and false analogy. There. [/quote]
hey but thanks for your super cool facts on dog fighting though….i think i will become an animal activist now…nerd
[quote comment="73640"][quote post="2325"]Dog fighting is a felony in 48 states. It’s OK to bash it. I have no interest in robbing a gas station at gunpoint, but I still feel OK about ripping people who do. Dog fighting is sick. Anyone who gets off on watching two animals maul each other in a pit for up to several hours until one of them either dies or is so badly mangled it has to be put down is sick. Anyone who compares this sort of depraved and felonious activity to legal and sanctioned MMA events is making a short-sighted and false analogy. There. [/quote]
hey but thanks for your super cool facts on dog fighting though….i think i will become an animal activist now…nerd[/quote]
Normally I do not chat on something as far of the topic of MMA as this one, but I aggree that Dog fighting is one of the sickest crimes in the World. One of the best looking specimens of a Dog is a Pitt Bull, and now there are places where they put them to sleep just because of there breed. I am no activist but I the kind of guy that if I see someone treating a dog like shit I will knock the shit out of him. I would bash on these guys any day of the week.
Sorry MAnia for the off topic comment, I could not help myself.
As for Combover man, I think he is getting the attention he was looking for. If we ignore these guys they will type, but if we rant on these guys they will type even more. Just my thoughts, and I guess someone has to bi** him out.
[quote comment="73098"]Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.[/quote]
Oh and I love this
Later
Chris Valentine
[quote post="2325"]Normally I do not chat on something as far of the topic of MMA as this one, but I aggree that Dog fighting is one of the sickest crimes in the World. One of the best looking specimens of a Dog is a Pitt Bull, and now there are places where they put them to sleep just because of there breed. I am no activist but I the kind of guy that if I see someone treating a dog like shit I will knock the shit out of him. I would bash on these guys any day of the week.
Sorry MAnia for the off topic comment, I could not help myself.
As for Combover man, I think he is getting the attention he was looking for. If we ignore these guys they will type, but if we rant on these guys they will type even more. Just my thoughts, and I guess someone has to bi** him out.
Me mad at this article. Me hate Brian Combover. Me smash Brian’s head with big rock. Me take away Brian’s car insurance, Geico no cover Brian’s shiny head no more.
Oh and I love this
Later
Chris Valentine [/quote]
listen chris i totally agree with you…I DO NOT LIKE DOG FIGHTING.. but…me talking shit about things that i dont like is like this [ass] talking about mma like he has a clue..bottom line is I will never understand dog fighting but honestly sorry to say i wont cry over it either..fuck it man theyre animals let them mothas fight….as for you knocking someone who is fighting them i highly doubt it..not because i doubt your skills in fighting or any thing like that..seriously though its because i have met people in my life who fight dogs and they stay strapped at all times..
ufcmania did you erase my post dude..
sorry man every time i write that my post appears…
I’m gonna post this on this thread because I’ve decided to wake all of you fuuuckers up on a little secret that most of us diehard fans who follow this shiit real close know, this sports writer is more right than you know.
I will not post anything I cant confirm, but the gestalt ( look it up ) of the this whole thing is undeniable. You cant have enemies in power and expect to survive without massive dollars to buy off the politicians. This guy, the Kornheisers and Wilbons of this world, have power.
This sport in America is just cracking the surface, but it’s never shed it’s cloudy roots. Nothing changed when the big 3 bought it in 01. They are in no way to blame, but they havent done enough to try and change it. They’re trying, to their credit, but it may be too little, too late. ( Bye Chuck and Matt ). There are ppl in this sport that were there in the dark years, who made good money on its obscurity, in most ways illegitimate money.
There are ppl in this sport who continue to make money in illegitimate ways.
Ppl like me used to laugh at the UFC followers saying your one big bust away from vanishing all together, because at least Pride only had the Yakuza. How naive was that? What do you think the biggest problem has been in the Pride purchase? The problem is that no reputable Japanese sponsor will touch it, whether Sakikabara is still in charge or not. It’s a tainted brand, something that American buyers didnt understand. To the honorable Japanese, it’s burakumin.
Well the UFC is still one bust away from going away. If a big scandal strikes this sport, I dont care how many ppl the UFC has that used to work on the NSAC, they’re done in the court of public opinion. And with their current sponsor issues, they cant in any way afford that. None.
Let’s say, for pure conjecture, a major UFC team gets caught laundering drug money, what do you think the fallout will be in the major press? ESPN will take up the story, and bury the UFC. CBS Sports, which has been a big supporter, will run and fuuucking hide like a beaten puppy. They’ll bury this so fuuuuucking fast, it’ll be like it never happened.
Two clues, one, a major player in this sport will be crumbled. They’re close already. Two, some of the ppl ya’ll hold dear, will be COMPLETELY responsible for its downfall.
GOD, I hope I’m wrong, but someone smart is gonna start digging real soon. They’ve already started on Rampage. Only a matter of time before a Woodward and Berstein come along and find out the truth.
Peace, enjoy it while it lasts. I hope I’m wrong. Well, I’ll always have Pancrase, Shooto, and DEEP to watch. Maybe it wont be so bad….
The only thing to damn this sport would be finding out the fights were fixed. We don’t care if Dana was La Cosa Nostra himself. The fight must go on. I believe it’s a giant too talked about and loved to simply be put back in the closest. We are Titans now.
to be put back in the closet is what I meant obviously.
[quote comment="73689"][quote post="2325"] but honestly sorry to say i wont cry over it either..fuck it man theyre animals let them mothas fight….as for you knocking someone who is fighting them i highly doubt it..not because i doubt your skills in fighting or any thing like that..seriously though its because i have met people in my life who fight dogs and they stay strapped at all times..[/quote]
The only thing I can say is that I completely disagree, they are animals and they only do what they are trained to do. As far as being strapped, I have not met one ballsy enough to do anything about it. I have a Pit bull Scar on my arm to this day where a group of guys sent there Pit Bull on me in a Parking lot, the only way I was able to get him off was banging his head on my car when his jaw finally broke he let go and was on the ground not moving, the moment I started walking towards them, they all started running off (guess they were not so tough without there dog). Later the cops told me when I filed a report that they had found three other pits at there house that were suspected of Dog Fighting. One other incident was when my mother went walking into a store a Rotty grabbed my mom on the hip, when I got out I grabbed a wooden dowel that was in the car (about 1-1/2″ thick) and hit it over the head until it let go, and that guy ran off, and again after making a a complaint they found out that the dog had been involved in several dog fights.
I am not trying to “blow my horn” or be “bad ass of the month,” I am just telling why I know you are wrong, and that I disagree with you.
Last post on this Issue there Mania, It will not happen again!
Later
Chris Valentine
This Sucks!
I have been deleted twice, one of which said nothing bad on my part, only had a question. This is what sucks, some of these people come in here talk a little crap, and then before you know it your Comments get deleted.
This SUCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I think there is something up with the site. One moment is said my Comment was awaiting moderation, the next time it was gone, and now sais awaiting moderation. CRAZY
[quote post="2325"]The only thing I can say is that I completely disagree, they are animals and they only do what they are trained to do. As far as being strapped, I have not met one ballsy enough to do anything about it. I have a Pit bull Scar on my arm to this day where a group of guys sent there Pit Bull on me in a Parking lot, the only way I was able to get him off was banging his head on my car when his jaw finally broke he let go and was on the ground not moving, the moment I started walking towards them, they all started running off (guess they were not so tough without there dog). Later the cops told me when I filed a report that they had found three other pits at there house that were suspected of Dog Fighting. One other incident was when my mother went walking into a store a Rotty grabbed my mom on the hip, when I got out I grabbed a wooden dowel that was in the car (about 1-1/2″³ thick) and hit it over the head until it let go, and that guy ran off, and again after making a a complaint they found out that the dog had been involved in several dog fights.
I am not trying to “blow my horn” or be “bad ass of the month,” I am just telling why I know you are wrong, and that I disagree with you.
Last post on this Issue there Mania, It will not happen again!
Later
Chris Valentine [/quote]
Dude what the hell????I DISAGREE W/ DOG FIGHTING SO IF YOU DISAGREE W/ ME THEN YOU ARE PRO DOG FIGHTING…I DONT KNOW WHERE YOUR FROM BUT A STICK FROM SOME CRAZY WHITE BOY WOULDNT PREVENT YOU FROM DYING IN MY HOOD SORRY DUDE..WELL ANYWAYS STOP WITH NONSENSE AND BACK TO MMA..
Funny the heading even has the word Neanderthal and we talk about being being men with clubs bashing things to death.
[quote post="2325"]Funny the heading even has the word Neanderthal and we talk about being being men with clubs bashing things to death. [/quote]
Thank you…
When someone bashes something they know nothing about it shows the ignorance of that person. He is obviously just riding the ban wagon looking for some publicity because it is clear he cannot recieve any on his own. History shows that people don’t like change and history shows more that people do not like rapid change. The UFC is doing both while ripping the life rafts out from under boxing. It is boxings fault they are failing not the UFC’S. UFC just saw an opportunity and struck (pardon the pun). If people want to beat up UFC that is fine it is their right, But just know that any ufc fighter could knock them out in a moments notice.
[quote post="2325"]When someone bashes something they know nothing about it shows the ignorance of that person. He is obviously just riding the ban wagon looking for some publicity because it is clear he cannot recieve any on his own. History shows that people don’t like change and history shows more that people do not like rapid change. The UFC is doing both while ripping the life rafts out from under boxing. It is boxings fault they are failing not the UFC’S. UFC just saw an opportunity and struck (pardon the pun). If people want to beat up UFC that is fine it is their right, But just know that any ufc fighter could knock them out in a moments notice. [/quote]
well said, the only reason boxing was popular for all these years in my opinion is because there was nothing else for fight fans..Now that we have a choice who in their right mind would want to watch possible fixed fights and boring feather weights beat on each other for 12 rounds(w/no ko’s)instead of MMA…
[quote comment="73760"]I’m gonna post this on this thread because I’ve decided to wake all of you fuuuckers up on a little secret that most of us diehard fans who follow this shiit real close know, this sports writer is more right than you know.
I will not post anything I cant confirm, but the gestalt ( look it up ) of the this whole thing is undeniable. You cant have enemies in power and expect to survive without massive dollars to buy off the politicians. This guy, the Kornheisers and Wilbons of this world, have power.
This sport in America is just cracking the surface, but it’s never shed it’s cloudy roots. Nothing changed when the big 3 bought it in 01. They are in no way to blame, but they havent done enough to try and change it. They’re trying, to their credit, but it may be too little, too late. ( Bye Chuck and Matt ). There are ppl in this sport that were there in the dark years, who made good money on its obscurity, in most ways illegitimate money.
There are ppl in this sport who continue to make money in illegitimate ways.
Ppl like me used to laugh at the UFC followers saying your one big bust away from vanishing all together, because at least Pride only had the Yakuza. How naive was that? What do you think the biggest problem has been in the Pride purchase? The problem is that no reputable Japanese sponsor will touch it, whether Sakikabara is still in charge or not. It’s a tainted brand, something that American buyers didnt understand. To the honorable Japanese, it’s burakumin.
Well the UFC is still one bust away from going away. If a big scandal strikes this sport, I dont care how many ppl the UFC has that used to work on the NSAC, they’re done in the court of public opinion. And with their current sponsor issues, they cant in any way afford that. None.
Let’s say, for pure conjecture, a major UFC team gets caught laundering drug money, what do you think the fallout will be in the major press? ESPN will take up the story, and bury the UFC. CBS Sports, which has been a big supporter, will run and fuuucking hide like a beaten puppy. They’ll bury this so fuuuuucking fast, it’ll be like it never happened.
Two clues, one, a major player in this sport will be crumbled. They’re close already. Two, some of the ppl ya’ll hold dear, will be COMPLETELY responsible for its downfall.
GOD, I hope I’m wrong, but someone smart is gonna start digging real soon. They’ve already started on Rampage. Only a matter of time before a Woodward and Berstein come along and find out the truth.
Peace, enjoy it while it lasts. I hope I’m wrong. Well, I’ll always have Pancrase, Shooto, and DEEP to watch. Maybe it wont be so bad….[/quote]
Where is this coming from? Are you saying the fertitas don’t have legit backing? Are you just being paranoid or what? UFC was not started with drug money (atleast I dont think so?)
Mania this is why we need log ins.
As for the first dog, I was only defending myself, and unfortunatly dogs that have been trained this way must be put down. The second dog was put down by the Humane society, not me.
MANIA please think about Log Ins, I do not want to post on a site were someone uses your name.
[quote post="2325"]MANIA please think about Log Ins, I do not want to post on a site were someone uses your name.[/quote]
#1. Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.
#2. Comments “disappear” for a number of reasons. First, they might get flagged if there is a word(s) in there that should be. Second, you might be such a frequent offender that I’ve added your IP to a watch list. Third, sometimes they get trapped in a SPAM folder, which we eventually retrieve. Fourth, all first-time posters get sent right to moderation.
Advice: Keep it clean and smart, don’t quote comments that have questionable content, and your posts should appear immediately. And if they don’t, don’t freak out. We’ll find them.
[quote post="2325"]Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.[/quote]
Just about every MMA blog site uses this same format without registering a login, e-mail validation, etc. I wont list off Mania’s comp. Maybe you guys don’t visit or post on the other sites? I come here because I think the reports are a bit better, the poster’s comments are much better and there are “fewer” trolls.
[quote comment="74264"][quote post="2325"]MANIA please think about Log Ins, I do not want to post on a site were someone uses your name.[/quote]
#1. Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.
#2. Comments “disappear” for a number of reasons. First, they might get flagged if there is a word(s) in there that should be. Second, you might be such a frequent offender that I’ve added your IP to a watch list. Third, sometimes they get trapped in a SPAM folder, which we eventually retrieve. Fourth, all first-time posters get sent right to moderation.
Advice: Keep it clean and smart, don’t quote comments that have questionable content, and your posts should appear immediately. And if they don’t, don’t freak out. We’ll find them.[/quote]
This must be what always happens to my messages, goes to your watch list first. Good to know
[quote comment="74264"][quote post="2325"]MANIA please think about Log Ins, I do not want to post on a site were someone uses your name.[/quote]
#1. Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.
#2. Comments “disappear” for a number of reasons. First, they might get flagged if there is a word(s) in there that should be. Second, you might be such a frequent offender that I’ve added your IP to a watch list. Third, sometimes they get trapped in a SPAM folder, which we eventually retrieve. Fourth, all first-time posters get sent right to moderation.
Advice: Keep it clean and smart, don’t quote comments that have questionable content, and your posts should appear immediately. And if they don’t, don’t freak out. We’ll find them.[/quote]
log in sound like a good idea
[quote comment="74587"][quote post="2325"]Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.[/quote]
Just about every MMA blog site uses this same format without registering a login, e-mail validation, etc. I wont list off Mania’s comp. Maybe you guys don’t visit or post on the other sites? I come here because I think the reports are a bit better, the poster’s comments are much better and there are “fewer” trolls.[/quote]
where did the word troll started getting use for foul comments.
That sgould be ”when”.
[quote comment="74587"][quote post="2325"]Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.[/quote]
Just about every MMA blog site uses this same format without registering a login, e-mail validation, etc. I wont list off Mania’s comp. Maybe you guys don’t visit or post on the other sites? I come here because I think the reports are a bit better, the poster’s comments are much better and there are “fewer” trolls.[/quote]
Yah but there are some on here using this availability to impersonate some one in hopes of angering them.
Later
Chris Valentine
[quote comment="74601"][quote comment="74264"][quote post="2325"]MANIA please think about Log Ins, I do not want to post on a site were someone uses your name.[/quote]
#1. Logins is something we are working on but it is NOT easy to do.
#2. Comments “disappear” for a number of reasons. First, they might get flagged if there is a word(s) in there that should be. Second, you might be such a frequent offender that I’ve added your IP to a watch list. Third, sometimes they get trapped in a SPAM folder, which we eventually retrieve. Fourth, all first-time posters get sent right to moderation.
Advice: Keep it clean and smart, don’t quote comments that have questionable content, and your posts should appear immediately. And if they don’t, don’t freak out. We’ll find them.[/quote]
This must be what always happens to my messages, goes to your watch list first. Good to know[/quote]
No Tommy, sorry to disappoint you. I can add it you want, though.
I don’t care what you do. Like you always say, it’s your site.