i think im going to cream my pants

yah id say hes definately a contender with his destruction of rampage

I’d love to see Wanderlei and Ortiz go at it, but hope Wanderlei knocks him out so he can cry again lol. And definately think Rampage will beat Henderson.

Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah!

[quote comment=”69416″]Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah![/quote]

Only if they give him the title shot. WIth Dana White’s remarks about no one knowing who Shogun is, I think he is going to give him a few fights to show off his destructive skills before he fights for the title.

Then again, I don’t think anyone knew who Anderson Silva was before he won his belt. Possibly, his destruction of Leben prompted an early title shot. I can definitely see Shogun doing the same thing. Feed Shogun Bonnar!

I think Bonnar is on the 72 card. This might actually happen.

I think were wishful thinking that Shogun will fight at 72. Never heard of the UFC holding out on a name before a fight. I’m sure someone on here what of already discovered it anyways. Will he be announced? Definetly…the 72 card needs the excitement. As for him picking Rampage over Hendo…I agree. Rampage aresenal is too much and will overwhelm Hendo as long as he can stay focused. I believe it was MTU who said the Rampage needs to have that edge. With them being friends and all this could serve as a weakness for him. As for Tito/Silva II Hell Yea! Both guys have grown tremendously since there last bout. This would be a great co-mainevent. Although I think we will see Silva/Liddell before that. Shogun threw it out there because Wandy probably talks about wanting that fight back. Overall so excited to see Shogun in the mix. One of my faves. he will definetly make waves. I see him becoming Champ in the UFC sometime in the future.

Hendo’s chin will prevail. Shogun’s presence will definitely shake things up.

I have also jumped on the Hendo Bandwagon. I do not see how rampage can beat him. He has one of the greatest chins ever, He was an olympic wrestler, and now he has knock out power. He is like if you combine Couteurs wrestling, with Nog’s Chin and gave him one hell of a right hand.

Shogun will be champ. If they treat him like rampage and give him a title shot after one fight, then he will be champ fast. If they try to build him up first, then he will be the champ a little later. Either way, he will have the belt.

Unlike Rampage I think the UFC will build Shogun, as we all know the Chuck vs Rampage feud was already in place and while I and many think the UFC were a bit premature in unleashing it at least the relevent tension was in place to allow for hype, build up…etc

Shogun on the other hand I feel will get 2 or 3 match-ups before getting a title shot. His youth will be on his side, with Dana not worrying if he takes a unlikely but possible set back along the way. Reckon he may have one fight to break him into UFC against an Elvis Sinosic type character (Whipping boy!) and then be fed the fall out of Rashad and Tito.

With Chuck and Wanderlei knocking around be interesting what the UFC does with this division, but one things for sure, unless Wanderlei destroys whoever he fights next….Dana will be putting Mr Shogun as top of his chutebox priorities.

Maybe Ramp can beat Dan,,but that’s not for sure.
Rampage KO,tko round 1,2,3. Hendo by tko round 4,5 un/dec. !!!!

[quote comment=”69416″]Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah![/quote]
dont think so
rampage will go on a run

[quote comment=”69480″]Maybe Ramp can beat Dan,,but that’s not for sure.
Rampage KO,tko round 1,2,3. Hendo by tko round 4,5 un/dec. !!!![/quote]
oh its for sure

[quote comment=”69462″] Reckon he may have one fight to break him into UFC against an Elvis Sinosic type character (Whipping boy!) and then be fed the fall out of Rashad and Tito. [/quote]
I really hope not. would be a shame to see ufc waste time trying to build him up. at the very least they should let him kill forrest

[quote comment=”69456″]I have also jumped on the Hendo Bandwagon. I do not see how rampage can beat him. He has one of the greatest chins ever, He was an olympic wrestler, and now he has knock out power. He is like if you combine Couteurs wrestling, with Nog’s Chin and gave him one hell of a right hand.[/quote]
but like a mini not as strong version. is dans right bigger than chucks? dont think so. rampage ko round 1 or if they take a bit to feel it out maybe 2

It’s been a little while since I last post here, but I had to comment on this post. Shogun is for real you guys. and when he makes a statement he is not some fighter just talking out of his ass. After seeing for myself what he can do in Pride. I fully expect him to be dominating this division very soon. It may take Dana a little while to give him a title shot, but regardless he could dominate.

UFC LHW division is gonna be fun

How about Forrest Griffin vs Shogun? I think its kinda interesting fight…

[quote comment=”69487″][quote comment=”69416″]Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah![/quote]
dont think so
rampage will go on a run[/quote]
Shogun beat Rampage badly last time they fight. It will happen again soon… hehehehe

Holy shit. Just about twenty minutes ago I just saw Sokoujdou at Dennys. Got a picture. Better believe ill be showing that off tomorrow.

[quote comment=”69515″]Holy shit. Just about twenty minutes ago I just saw Sokoujdou at Dennys. Got a picture. Better believe ill be showing that off tomorrow.[/quote]

Can’t Wait
I am a shogun fan and I think he will do great, but I would like to see Rampage hold the belt for a while. The UFC needs to build these guys better. I hate to see the belt bounce around, and it is not good for business.

Later
Chris Valentine

[quote comment=”69446″]
As for him picking Rampage over Hendo…I agree. Rampage aresenal is too much and will overwhelm Hendo as long as he can stay focused.
[/quote]
Did I miss a fight somewhere? Since he came to the UFC, I’ve seen Rampage beat Marvin whatshisname and drop Chuck with a surprise hook. Yes, I’ve seen almost all Rampage’s Pride fights. Does he have new stuff in his arsenal? A lot of people’s imaginations are running wild. Rampage didn’t show anything different in his first fight and the second was too short to see any improvement. Show me the money!

As for Shogun, Henderson and maybe Silva joining UFC, welcome and in the words of Big John… “LETS GET IT ON!”

[quote comment=”69422″][quote comment=”69416″]Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah![/quote]
I can definitely see Shogun doing the same thing. Feed Shogun Bonnar!
I think Bonnar is on the 72 card. This might actually happen.[/quote]
I don’t see Bonnar listed on the 72 schedule on this site nor on ufc.com. But yeah, Bonnar would be my #1 pick. He’s solid and he’s on his way out the door with two straight losses and the steroid suspension.

Rampage is training better than he has ever trained in his life, at this moment in time he has all the right people around him. The fighters who beat him before may not quite have it the same way this time around.

I am a huge Bisping fan being a brit and I would like to see him get a chance to fight Shogun at some point,I truly believe if they give MB a tough test he will rise up to the occasion and shine,Shogun is excelent and is fortunate to of had PRIDE as his platform to shine,but I think Bisping can steal that from him.

Give the man his Title Shot..I’ll set him up to fight first the winner of the Tito vs Rashad..throw him Bisping..and or babalu..before he fights Rampage.

Bonnar is actually listed to fight on 73’s card.

There is always so much talk about who can beat who & look at this & look at that. We’re all guilty of it at times. However, many (not all) of you need to start analyzing the why’s & how’s that culminate in a fighters win or loss. In other words, the accumulation of what takes place before the fight takes place (quantity &/or quality of opponents for example), the actual fight itself (displays of technique/mistakes made) & what specifically leads to the final outcome.

What I’m talking about is exactly the difference between CL’s losses to JH, QRJ & RC, his successful run avenging his losses to JH & RC as opposed to why he failed against QRJ. Why RC chose to end his HW run, drop to LHW & subsequent return to HW to reclaim the belt. It’s the difference between Wand vs Hendo I & II. Terry Martins win over James Irvin & Ivan Salaverry, Wand’s KO loss to CC, QRJ’s KO losses to Wand, QRJ’s loss to Rua, Rua’s loss to Babalu, etc. THe list of examples seems infinite.

Although one fighter winning against another instantly gets recorded on both’s records & in the record books, it does not immediately indicate that he is in fact better than who he just beat until the why’s & how’s are discussed & determined (AA vs Sylvia 2 anyone?). Yet even when the evidence is clear, many turn a blind eye to the truth if it conflicts with what their hearts believe.

Maybe I’m looking too deep into this or I could be dead-on with what I’m saying. Either way, my point is that Rua IS who everyone (both experts & fans alike)familiar with him says he is. Unfortunately, talent alone (GSp?)cannot guarantee a victory without the many other aspects of fighting in place to support the actual talent. Lastly, let’s not forget that age (old & young), maturity & experience play equal roles as well, acting as equalizers or advantages.

[quote comment=”69510″][quote comment=”69487″][quote comment=”69416″]Shogun will be the champ by the end of this year… Hell yeah![/quote]
dont think so
rampage will go on a run[/quote]
Shogun beat Rampage badly last time they fight. It will happen again soon… hehehehe[/quote]

But that was in the clinch. Rampage WILL NOT get back in there. If he does it is over. I want to see what ‘Page does this next time around. He will not make the same mistake.

Do you think Silva is that much better than Franklin? IMO, hell no. Franklin made a mistake by staying (wanting) in the clich. It wont happen again either.

If Rua beats him again then I will say Rua is hands down better than ‘Page, but 1 fight doesnt make him King of the mountain, though he is the closest to the top. Fighters make mistakes and they pay for those mistakes (rampage paid badly though, ouch).

New outlook, new training, new environment, new results?

think it is great that hendo and shogun are comin into the LHW division in the ufc, but got to wonder, who’s gonna be left in pride?!

I think that Dana White will build up Shogun slow for two reasons

1. Because in light of Chucks KO Dana will look to milk Rampages personality for a while because Rampage has the kind of personality that is very marketable so look for Rampage to be on commercials and even maybe on a season of The Ultimate Fighter. Dana needs Rampage to take that humor and engaging personality and use it to help make his sport even more main stream acceptable.

2. By the time he matches up Rampage and Shogun he wants the crowd to know who Shogun is because he has learned from his mistake that he made in the fact that not many knew who Rampage was when he KO’ed Chuck recently. I mean even the ESPN guys knew who Chuck was and they referred to Jackson as “Chuck’s opponent calls himself The Rampage and thats what he unleashed upside Chucks head” Thats pathetic that they didn’t know who Rampage was

Dana is hoping that Hendo doesn’t win against Rampage and really the only other guy who Dana would throw Rampage in there with right away would be Wanderlie. But that wont happen.

I would like to see Shogun start by fighting Forrest and then fighting the loser between Evans and Ortiz and then maybe fighting Bisrping before getting a Number One contender match.

What UFC may want to go ahead and do is have a good old fashion tournament for the number one contender status for the light heavyweight belt. Don’t do it all in one night, but have it a round robin.. Shoot do it like Pride where you have first three rounds in one night and then have the final at a later PPV and that way they let the fighters determine who the challenger for Rampages belt will be and it will also allow Rampage some time to generate a name for himself.

SHOGUN WILL BE THE CHAMP!!!
He will rule this division for a long long time! Rampage just doesnt do well against the clinch, look at the last time he faught Rua or Silva he can’t get out and he just gets punsihed. Rua should really only have 1 loss, the Mark Coleman fight where his shoulder dislocated was unlucky!
This guy has everything going for him, youth, great clinch, KO power and great on the ground. That knee bar on Randleman was NASTY! Hendo will be a force but I think will move down to 185, even though he said he wants to stay at 205. The LHW division is getting interesting Rampage, Lidell, Ortiz, Evans, Hendo, maybe Wanderlei and the soon to be champ MR. Mauricio SHOGUN Rua! Can’t wait for things to unfold!

Another thing people seem to forget is that Shogun is a big fan of stomping and kicking people’s heads while they are down, which you can’t do in the UFC…I agree his clinch is nasty and yeah he’ll be champ one day, but if Rampage can train with better muay tai trainers and learn to neutrilize that clinch, then he shouldn’t have a problem beating Shogun or Wanderlei…oh yeah, and now that everyone is basically in the UFC, how are they going to do the superbowl of MMA now? Pride is the bush league of MMA now that it’s been gutted.

[quote comment=”69541″]Did I miss a fight somewhere? Since he came to the UFC, I’ve seen Rampage beat Marvin whatshisname and drop Chuck with a surprise hook. Yes, I’ve seen almost all Rampage’s Pride fights.[/quote]Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage ‘Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.

I see a lot of excitement in the 205lb division… Id like to see Shogun versus Tito, Forrest, maybe Rashad… You know Silva is gonna have him fight 1-2 step up fights before anything, praying for a Shogun highlight reel. Id also like to see Rashad or Forrest fight Chuck… I think Chuck loosing the belt is very good for the UFC, there are a LOT of blockbuster fights that the UFC can get out of this division… with or without Henderson and Wandi.

[quote post=”2279″]Bonnar is actually listed to fight on 73’s card.
There is always so much talk about who can beat who & look at this & look at that. We’re all guilty of it at times. However, many (not all) of you need to start analyzing the why’s & how’s that culminate in a fighters win or loss. In other words, the accumulation of what takes place before the fight takes place (quantity &/or quality of opponents for example), the actual fight itself (displays of technique/mistakes made) & what specifically leads to the final outcome.
What I’m talking about is exactly the difference between CL’s losses to JH, QRJ & RC, his successful run avenging his losses to JH & RC as opposed to why he failed against QRJ. Why RC chose to end his HW run, drop to LHW & subsequent return to HW to reclaim the belt. It’s the difference between Wand vs Hendo I & II. Terry Martins win over James Irvin & Ivan Salaverry, Wand’s KO loss to CC, QRJ’s KO losses to Wand, QRJ’s loss to Rua, Rua’s loss to Babalu, etc. THe list of examples seems infinite.
Although one fighter winning against another instantly gets recorded on both’s records & in the record books, it does not immediately indicate that he is in fact better than who he just beat until the why’s & how’s are discussed & determined (AA vs Sylvia 2 anyone?). Yet even when the evidence is clear, many turn a blind eye to the truth if it conflicts with what their hearts believe.
Maybe I’m looking too deep into this or I could be dead-on with what I’m saying. Either way, my point is that Rua IS who everyone (both experts & fans alike)familiar with him says he is. Unfortunately, talent alone (GSp?)cannot guarantee a victory without the many other aspects of fighting in place to support the actual talent. Lastly, let’s not forget that age (old & young), maturity & experience play equal roles as well, acting as equalizers or advantages. [/quote]

Wow, I think everyone should take some time read this and let it sink in…By the way you were dead on..

[quote comment=”69590″][quote comment=”69541″]Did I miss a fight somewhere? Since he came to the UFC, I’ve seen Rampage beat Marvin whatshisname and drop Chuck with a surprise hook. Yes, I’ve seen almost all Rampage’s Pride fights.[/quote]Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage ‘Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.
[/quote]

So that is the first mistake that Liddell has made in the UFC? If so, WOW. If not, than there have been many, many chances for those other UFC fighters to drop him but never have. Chuck got what he deserved. KO’ed. He has been asking for it for a while now. He just hasnt gone against a strong enough boxer that could put him on his back after only 1 shot. He has admitted he will take 2-3 of those “other” fighters punches to land just one of his.

Shogun is a great addition, but to think that he will dominate the division is a bit of a stretch. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talent, but I think rampage and even CHuck could contain him. Shogun is wild at times and is suseptible to getting knocked out, the fight with Nog is a good example he was knocked down but had time to recover, SO so he isn’t invincible. I think the LHW Division is the most competitve and the fights to come will be great regardless who wins.

And yes I know Rampage got killed the last time he fought Shogun.

[quote comment=”69610″]Shogun is a great addition, but to think that he will dominate the division is a bit of a stretch. Don’t get me wrong he is a great talent, but I think rampage and even CHuck could contain him. Shogun is wild at times and is suseptible to getting knocked out, the fight with Nog is a good example he was knocked down but had time to recover, SO so he isn’t invincible. I think the LHW Division is the most competitve and the fights to come will be great regardless who wins.[/quote]

this is very true..i think he is awesome and will do good, but hes not steam rolling through everyone..there is tough competition out there for him, and like you said, he does get wild…his cardio is insane though so that will help him alot in tough fights..QJ, chuck will be good fights…and i honestly think tito is a bad match up for Shogun

[quote post=”2279″]Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage “Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.[/quote]

Luppers, I challenge you to watch any of CL’s past fights & show me where he did not make the exact same mistake he did against Rampage over & over again. Muto is right, it’s simply a fact of no one capitalizing on that mistake until now.

[quote post=”2279″]and i honestly think tito is a bad match up for Shogun [/quote]

Sorry MMA DUDE I respect your opinion, however I dont agree that Tito is a bad match up for Shogun. Shogun is strong and has excellent submission skills so I would give him the edge on the ground. He has an excellent clinch and trains with Silva so I would also give the edge to Rua standing up. I think he can handle anything that Tito can throw at him and finish this standing up with Tito caught in his clinch, or on the ground via submission. Granted Tito has vicious ground and pound but I think Rua is strong enough and experienced enough on the ground to get out that

[quote comment=”69635″][quote post=”2279″]Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage “Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.[/quote]

Luppers, I challenge you to watch any of CL’s past fights & show me where he did not make the exact same mistake he did against Rampage over & over again. Muto is right, it’s simply a fact of no one capitalizing on that mistake until now.[/quote]
Im not sure we watched the same fight….
Chuck is much faster on his feet than he was in that fight..
I could tell from the first 15secs he was gonna get knocked out..

This is a Randleman - Mirko Filipovic situation here. Everyone has a puncher’s chance… anyone could have delivered that same shot, and no one could have taken it.

[quote comment=”69608″]So that is the first mistake that Liddell has made in the UFC? If so, WOW.[/quote]
I think somehow people misinterpeuted what I was saying… I wasnt saying Chuck hasnt made a mistake, I wasnt saying that Rampage didnt knock him out… Its like I said in my above post, anyone could have thrown that same punch, and no body would have not been knocked out by it. Does getting KOd by someone make you less of a fighter? It does when you spent the entire week partying like a frat boy…

MMAFAN, Shoguns wrestling and takedown defense isnt very good…His bjj is good, though its not spectacular..Yes on the feet he domiantes Tito, but Tito can take him down (unlike Chuck), Tito has done well in abu Dabi, and is very hard to submit in MMA, he is one of the only fighters that can do real damage inside someones gaurd, and has nasty elbows, im not saying Tito would win hands down, but i do think its a bad match up for Shogun…also Shogun isnt that strong, and Tito is very strong…both have good cardio

how can you not know who shogun is

[q[quote comment=”69639″][quote comment=”69635″][quote post=”2279″]Its all bandwagon man, then again Im a bonafied Rampage “Hater.’ Never has anyone said more truth than what you said about dropping Chuck with a surprise hook… half the 205 fighters in the UFC would have dropped him with that same shot.[/quote]

Luppers, I challenge you to watch any of CL’s past fights & show me where he did not make the exact same mistake he did against Rampage over & over again. Muto is right, it’s simply a fact of no one capitalizing on that mistake until now.[/quote]
Im not sure we watched the same fight….
Chuck is much faster on his feet than he was in that fight..
I could tell from the first 15secs he was gonna get knocked out..

This is a Randleman - Mirko Filipovic situation here. Everyone has a puncher’s chance… anyone could have delivered that same shot, and no one could have taken it.[/quote]
Machine does make a lot of very good points maybe there all true but luppers does make some good points also, I really wish the liddel/jackson fight made it to at least 3 rounds so we could really see what each guy had. Luppers is right that the fight was similar to the Randleman/cro cop fight but watching the fight a few times leads me to believe jackson was the faster fighter, chuck looked off to me, I really wished there was more of the fight to go on. In my opinion chuck was a little slower and not in as good of shape as there first encounter and Jackson seemed sharper and quicker, I think his serious training paid off.

Maybe Chuck is past his prime while Rampage is coming into his prime, who knows.

I really hope Chuck can do a “Couture” and come back strong to win back the belt before he gets too old. I love Rampage but I’m a big fan of Chucks also and I don’t want to see him go out like that. Maybe now he will work on keeping his hands in a more defensive posture.

What about all the fights Chuck ended in quick fashion or 1 punch fashion? Were they “lucky” or “anyone could have done that” type of fights? I am new to the board, just found it a few weeks ago, so I dont know what was said after his other fights. But I would surmise, that Chuck has dominated easily for quite some time, that since he lost there must have been something wrong or someone got lucky because no way in hell could someone whip Chuck’s ass!

MMA DUDE, I think Rua is stronger than people give him credit for. He has fought physically strong guys like Randalman, Jackson and Arona and has done well, also he has fought well against Big Nog and got the decision. However his only real loss was to Sobral by rear choke in 03. I dont remember at least in recent history Tito fighting an opponent that has medium-strong submission skills. But I think it would be an exciting fight, I would pay the $39.99 to see it, but before that I want to see how good Evans really is.

It is just a matter of time before Shogun is champion at 205. There is no need to rush him into a title shot. He is 25 years old. He can easily be champ while Chuck Liddell is long been retired and is over 50 years old.

[quote comment=”69659″]Maybe Chuck is past his prime while Rampage is coming into his prime, who knows.[/quote]

That is what really is going on.

[quote comment=”69601″][quote post=”2279″]Bonnar is actually listed to fight on 73’s card.
There is always so much talk about who can beat who & look at this & look at that. We’re all guilty of it at times. However, many (not all) of you need to start analyzing the why’s & how’s that culminate in a fighters win or loss. In other words, the accumulation of what takes place before the fight takes place (quantity &/or quality of opponents for example), the actual fight itself (displays of technique/mistakes made) & what specifically leads to the final outcome.
What I’m talking about is exactly the difference between CL’s losses to JH, QRJ & RC, his successful run avenging his losses to JH & RC as opposed to why he failed against QRJ. Why RC chose to end his HW run, drop to LHW & subsequent return to HW to reclaim the belt. It’s the difference between Wand vs Hendo I & II. Terry Martins win over James Irvin & Ivan Salaverry, Wand’s KO loss to CC, QRJ’s KO losses to Wand, QRJ’s loss to Rua, Rua’s loss to Babalu, etc. THe list of examples seems infinite.
Although one fighter winning against another instantly gets recorded on both’s records & in the record books, it does not immediately indicate that he is in fact better than who he just beat until the why’s & how’s are discussed & determined (AA vs Sylvia 2 anyone?). Yet even when the evidence is clear, many turn a blind eye to the truth if it conflicts with what their hearts believe.
Maybe I’m looking too deep into this or I could be dead-on with what I’m saying. Either way, my point is that Rua IS who everyone (both experts & fans alike)familiar with him says he is. Unfortunately, talent alone (GSp?)cannot guarantee a victory without the many other aspects of fighting in place to support the actual talent. Lastly, let’s not forget that age (old & young), maturity & experience play equal roles as well, acting as equalizers or advantages. [/quote]

Wow, I think everyone should take some time read this and let it sink in…By the way you were dead on..[/quote]

Thats the best thing you said mr. mayn. Dude, I know this deep down inside but to put it into words. DAMN. You are dead on point!!!!

EVERYONE NEEDS TO READ THIS LONG PARAGRAPH. ANY PERSON WHO KNOWS WHATS REALLY GOING ON WOULD AGREE.

Luppers, I think my point, like yours, was taken wrong as well. I was trying to say that the mistake that Chuck made & always makes is leaving his left hand low (sometimes both hands) & not defending after throwing any one punch. It leaves him wide open. That is what led to that nasty right hook that cost him the belt. He always does this it’s just that no one was able to take advantage of it.

[quote comment=”69509″]How about Forrest Griffin vs Shogun? I think its kinda interesting fight…[/quote]

Only interesting if you want to see Forrest get beat. The only purpose in giving Shogun a fighter like Bonnar, Griffin or Jardine is for a highlight reel.

Shogun is a elite triple A fighter, those guys are B level fighters at best. I think you give Shogun someone like Rashad Evans (assuming he beats Ortiz) or Tito. Hell, give him a rematch with Babalu.

I just think Shogun is at the next level like Chuck or Rampage. And those TUF alumni don’t belong in the octagon with him yet.

Guys like Shogun, Hendo and Rampage and maybe even Rashad are the future.

Tito, Chuck. Forrest are yesterdays news and their best days are behind them.

[quote comment=”69671″]What about all the fights Chuck ended in quick fashion or 1 punch fashion? Were they “lucky” or “anyone could have done that” type of fights? I am new to the board, just found it a few weeks ago, so I dont know what was said after his other fights. But I would surmise, that Chuck has dominated easily for quite some time, that since he lost there must have been something wrong or someone got lucky because no way in hell could someone whip Chuck’s ass![/quote]Im not calling Rampage’s shot on Chuck ‘lucky..’ But Chuck Liddell is a boxer… he wins by punching. So any win he has had with his hands, well… thats his style.
[quote comment=”69702″]Luppers, I think my point, like yours, was taken wrong as well. I was trying to say that the mistake that Chuck made & always makes is leaving his left hand low (sometimes both hands) & not defending after throwing any one punch. It leaves him wide open. That is what led to that nasty right hook that cost him the belt.

He always does this it’s just that no one was able to take advantage of it.[/quote]
Yeah, he does do that… you’re exactly right. Why does he drop his left hand..? He is a counter puncher. Gotta bring them in… but yeah, we could both be right!

MMAFAN, it was actually Lil Nog that shogun fought…i agree that he has done well against strong guys..but a lot of guys could knee bar randleman, Rampage didnt fight the smartest fight, and stood there w/o offering very much offense, and Arona probably wasnt at his strongest after having to take Wandy to a decision right before this fight, but even at full strength, Tito is much stronger, and a better wrestler….i would like to see this fight down the road, but not right when Shogun gets in the UFC…and youre right, Tito hasnt foguht very many ground specialists..Vitor in 05, before that it was Elvis sinocic i believe…

Dude some people can just look at other people in the eyes and know what is going on. Look at Chucks face before the fight or AA’s in the fight vs. sylvia 3. Tito Ortiz vs. CL. People try to hype themselves up by being all loud and jumping around, but for some reason I can tell that shit is all a front and can see inside them and know that these people are scared. CL vs. rage was a prime example. People saying Chuck came all intense and pissed. Thats not what I saw. I saw a scared CL. CL of course is not going to back down from the fight but it looked like to me that deep down inside CL knew he was going to loose.

Another example would be karo parisyan. I looked at him and knew that he would win. He looked like you could tell him to bet his life that he would win and he would say OK in less than a second. You can read that confidence in people and know that they going to put everything into the fight. AA on the other hand looks so unsure of himself know that I dont know if he will ever regain the title again. You cannot know much about a true fighter until he has been tested.

Noone tested Chuck Liddell in any of his fights until rampage in fight 1. Boy look how sub-par he looked in that fight. Randy tested him in fight one and slapped his ass like a little kid during it. Rampage didn’t have to win like he did the first time against CL because he was already inside CL’s head.

I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.

Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all.

[quote post=”2279″]Guys like Shogun, Hendo and Rampage [/quote]
Dude, Hendo’s like 80 years old….

ALL ABOARD!

[quote post=”2279″]Big Nog and got the decision. However his only real loss was to Sobral by rear choke in 03[/quote]

Lil Nog and it was a guillotine.

[quote comment=”69561″]I am a huge Bisping fan being a brit and I would like to see him get a chance to fight Shogun at some point,I truly believe if they give MB a tough test he will rise up to the occasion and shine,Shogun is excelent and is fortunate to of had PRIDE as his platform to shine,but I think Bisping can steal that from him.[/quote]
Believe it or not, I was going to put that. Shogun/Silva/Hendo all being thrown into the LHW mix is awesome, and there is bound to be a new champ in that division sooner than later, but my only opinion is Bisping will be champ. Maybe not before Silva or Hendo, but Bisping is well on his way to the top.

[quote comment=”69748″][quote comment=”69561″]I am a huge Bisping fan being a brit and I would like to see him get a chance to fight Shogun at some point,I truly believe if they give MB a tough test he will rise up to the occasion and shine,Shogun is excelent and is fortunate to of had PRIDE as his platform to shine,but I think Bisping can steal that from him.[/quote]
Believe it or not, I was going to put that. Shogun/Silva/Hendo all being thrown into the LHW mix is awesome, and there is bound to be a new champ in that division sooner than later, but my only opinion is Bisping will be champ. Maybe not before Silva or Hendo, but Bisping is well on his way to the top.[/quote]

Bisbing almost got KOed by Elvis….my point exactly.

[quote post=”2279″]I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.
Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all[/quote]

Thank you.. As of right now Chuck has proven to be a class act by accepting his loss..but…in no way has he proven himself ever to be the #1 in the world..in the ufc maybe but world never..he had a chance to start proving that this past weekend and he failed..

Now in regards to the fear..that is right on point..being scared is what keeps you on your toes..but…when you give someone all you have and they take and still destroy you(page and liddell 1)then there is an example of a different kind of fear..the kind of fear you sometimes have no controll over…
If chuck liddell would have walked in there w/ the same mentallity he had in their first fight the fight would have been different but this time you could tell he was weary of Page’s right hand which prevented chuck from fighting the typical chuck fight.. and the typical chuck fight is what has made him such a dominant force in the ufc..

The bottom line is that he didn’t keep distance in this fight to be tactful he did it because he was aware of the potential danger that a simple mistake would put him in…

other possible outcomes of the fight..
1. GNP rampage wins
2. slam crazy until ko rampage wins..
3. ko in any other round..rampage wins..

[quote comment=”69720″]Dude some people can just look at other people in the eyes and know what is going on. Look at Chucks face before the fight or AA’s in the fight vs. sylvia 3. Tito Ortiz vs. CL. People try to hype themselves up by being all loud and jumping around, but for some reason I can tell that shit is all a front and can see inside them and know that these people are scared. CL vs. rage was a prime example. People saying Chuck came all intense and pissed. Thats not what I saw. I saw a scared CL. CL of course is not going to back down from the fight but it looked like to me that deep down inside CL knew he was going to loose.

Another example would be karo parisyan. I looked at him and knew that he would win. He looked like you could tell him to bet his life that he would win and he would say OK in less than a second. You can read that confidence in people and know that they going to put everything into the fight. AA on the other hand looks so unsure of himself know that I dont know if he will ever regain the title again. You cannot know much about a true fighter until he has been tested.

Noone tested Chuck Liddell in any of his fights until rampage in fight 1. Boy look how sub-par he looked in that fight. Randy tested him in fight one and slapped his ass like a little kid during it. Rampage didn’t have to win like he did the first time against CL because he was already inside CL’s head.

I have a couple of concerns. After CL lost to rampage, he never stepped foot in a pride ring again. He went back to the UFC were he knew Page was not going to fight in. If Page was not the best fighter in Pride and he wooped CL as bad as he did, do you think he came back to the UFC knowing there was less competition and more of a chance to become champion. Sit and think about that for a second. In my opinion, real fighters go to the best leagues so that they have to compete at a high level to win. Chuck Liddells next oponent after the first Page fight was Tito which he knew he could win because they both will admit that Chuck was hurting tito in training when they used to train together. If you dont think tito knew that just look at the tentativeness he had in the first fight.

Maybe CL was never the champ that we thought he would be. Maybe he had everyone fooled. Maybe it took a decent fighter to prove that he wasn’t anyting at all. CL was considered the #1 LHW in the world yet noone that he had fought since Page was Ranked below #10. If thats the case, how can they justify making him #1? Maybe he was nothing after all.[/quote]

man did chuck steal your lunch money or something?? i dont know what fight you were watching, but during the walk-ins it was QRJ’s eyes that were shifty. he was looking back and forth like he was nervous. chuck looked business as usual to me. anyway that crap doesn’t mean anything, take a look at the staredown between hendo vs silva 2. if it meant something hendo would have had his ass wooped.

Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.

[quote post=”2279″]Liddell had been spoon fed grapplers for 4 years. First striker he faces… Some of us have been saying this for a long time.[/quote]

all i have to say to this is NUFF SAID….

computer 10×10…two things…Chuck never stepped foot in the ring again, becuas ehe ws still under ufc contract, and he just went over there for that one tournament….alos the look in Karo Parasyian eyes, when he was practiccally kissing burkman because burkman was just as intesne, how did you know he was going to win…if one of those ugly swooping punches that burkman was throwing would have landed, it would have been lights out for Karo, regardless of what he looked like before the fight…you can be completely ready, know that youre the better fighter, and still get caught

[quote post=”2279″]computer 10×10…two things…Chuck never stepped foot in the ring again, becuas ehe ws still under ufc contract, and he just went over there for that one tournament….alos the look in Karo Parasyian eyes, when he was practiccally kissing burkman because burkman was just as intesne, how did you know he was going to win…if one of those ugly swooping punches that burkman was throwing would have landed, it would have been lights out for Karo, regardless of what he looked like before the fight…you can be completely ready, know that youre the better fighter, and still get caught [/quote]

That look that comp 10×10x10 was referring to from Karo is the kind of look thats hard to describe.. yes burkman looked pumped up but karo had a different look and if you couldnt see that then you will never understand how a fighter reads another fighter..Its not about face expressions its about a look that can expresses the fighters feelings at that specific time..

MMA DUDE
I totally agree, you can be there greatest fighter in the world and have had a great camp leading up to the fight but once your in the cage, ring or wherever you never know! The whole MMA world is so unpredictable these days especially in the better promotions like the UFC and Pride. MMA fighters these days know that they have to be well versed in everything to be competitive in a sport like this. The new age fighters are starting younger and benefiting from the teachings of people like Randy, Tito, Wanderlei ETC. So every time a new fights starts you really never know who will win, sure you may have an educated guess thats well calculated but that can be thrown off by a simple phrase “A punchers chance” So be intense and make all the faces you want, but you better keep your hands up, chin down