look pretty good..only two complaints

Mike Swick should be above Mcdonald and Martin…he has beaten better guys and has a better record than both..even Kampman would be a better choice i think than jmac

Also…Karo gets 3 after beating Burkman, who wasnt on the list last time??..i dont get it, because he lost to Diego, and Diegos nowhere to be found anymore with a 20-1 record ..i think Karo is still behind Fitch..Fitch is on a better winning streak, plus 1 common opponant in Burkman and Fitch handled him better

other than that the lists look good…its cool seeing hendo and shogun up there

Everything seems pretty spot on…I think Shogun should probably rank #2 since he manhandled Rampage when they fought and Liddell lost to Rampage twice now…He’ll have to get used to not being able to kick and stomp guys heads while they’re on the ground though…My champions list in a perfect world would be Couture, Rampage, Franklin, St. Pierre or BJ Penn, and BJ Penn again at lightweight.

My praising of Arlovski may be getting tiresome, but with all the talk about him getting a title shot next (even if it’s since been retracted), I would have put him higher, probably behind Gonzaga. The rest is really good, I especially like the difficult to judge middleweight division rankings. Hate to see Jardine fall off the list in lhw, but he did get blasted…

Things are going to get pretty intresting over this ‘07 summer..I see Shogun moving up that later..Fedor added to the Heavy Weight mix..Overrall the rating is accurate for today. Rashad vs Tito..that’s a tuff one to call..Tito has an edge but not a big one in condtioning…let’s see what happens.

(See I can be positive-to the people calling me Mr. Negative- I stick out my tongue to you!!!)
It’s all in good fun…

Looks pretty good. 155 is perfect! Whats up with Martin and Macdonald in 185. No way either one of those guys should be there. What the hell happen to Swick? I still don’t feel Ortiz should be below Evans. Questioning…whether Pitbull should be 3rd, even 4th. In 170 I’m thinking Kos should be 3rd, Sanchez should be 4th, Karo and Ftich can duke it out at 5th.

[quote comment="69123"]My praising of Arlovski may be getting tiresome, but with all the talk about him getting a title shot next (even if it’s since been retracted), I would have put him higher, probably behind Gonzaga. The rest is really good, I especially like the difficult to judge middleweight division rankings. Hate to see Jardine fall off the list in lhw, but he did get blasted…[/quote]

Reasonable people disagree, but for what it’s worth, I completely agree. Arlovski’s defeat of Werdum is a big deal, yet people rank him behind Sylvia, who is coming off of a loss. Yes, Sylvia bested him twice, but if we’re talking about where fighters are now, I think Arlovski is getting the shaft.

[quote post="2256"]Mike Swick should be above Mcdonald and Martin…he has beaten better guys and has a better record than both..even Kampman would be a better choice i think than jmac[/quote]

Swick could very well fight at 170 next time around. And Kampmann is out indefinitely with a bad knee injury. That’s the reason those two are not in the rankings, as best I can tell.

[quote comment="69121"]look pretty good..only two complaints

Mike Swick should be above Mcdonald and Martin…he has beaten better guys and has a better record than both..even Kampman would be a better choice i think than jmac

Also…Karo gets 3 after beating Burkman, who wasnt on the list last time??..i dont get it, because he lost to Diego, and Diegos nowhere to be found anymore with a 20-1 record ..i think Karo is still behind Fitch..Fitch is on a better winning streak, plus 1 common opponant in Burkman and Fitch handled him better

other than that the lists look good…its cool seeing hendo and shogun up there[/quote]
Yeah, I thought Swick would be on there as well, but oh well he’s probably number 6. He is still one of the top 5 in my book.

[quote comment="69134"][quote post="2256"]Mike Swick should be above Mcdonald and Martin…he has beaten better guys and has a better record than both..even Kampman would be a better choice i think than jmac[/quote]

Swick could very well fight at 170 next time around. And Kampmann is out indefinitely with a bad knee injury. That’s the reason those two are not in the rankings, as best I can tell.[/quote]

If this is the case with Swick than cfine, but whats up Sanchez in 170

With so many recent additions and the PRIDE acquisition, wouldnt mind seeing the rankings expanded to a Top 10 format. The depth in all divisions (besides 185) is fabulous and theres alot of fighters in the Top 10 who are class A fighters. Just one mans opinion.

Thanks UFCMania i have been waiting for this rankings.

[quote comment="69137"]If this is the case with Swick than cfine, but whats up Sanchez in 170[/quote]

I really don’t know. It’s one of the more puzzling developments. He was ranked in April despite his poor performance and Karo was not. With the win over Burkman, Karo vaulted to number three.

I think the real sticking point is between Fitch and Diego — even though Fitch received considerably more votes from our panel.

Most of the beat reporters we use have seen Fitch fight, while the general public has not.

Maybe there’s something to that.

I think this fight needs to happen provided Fitch can get past Carneiro at UFC Fight Night 10 — 170 is just way too jammed and the top guys are not fighting one another (GSP-Koscheck excluded) frequently enough.

Or, Parisyan-Fitch.

Either way, something has to give.

I second the motion to move to top 10… champ plus 9 more…..

Have you guys heard that Sean The Fish Salmon is dropping down to the middle weight class. UFCJunkie im am so sorry but you sponsored the wrong fighter, better luck next time. The Fish Salmon might not even fight in the ufc any longer, he only have one more fight left. UFC good choice on sponsoring Fitch at least he is not 0-2 in the octagon.

why would terry martin ever be in there he is not that good there are tons of poeple who are way better then him

The imporvement in talent in the last 6 months is exponential! The UFC needs an event every week to keep all these guys fighting…

Good Job guys. Little disagreement here and there, but still the best ranking, IMHO, on the net.

UFCmania… no need to explain. Any reader knows what you’re going through. God bless my man.
yeah, and yer pretty dead balls on too.

all you guys that are saying martin dosent belong in the top five. you guys are out of your freakin minds. I cant believe some of you guys said swick should be up there, martin would have a field day with that fool. i think the rankings are perfect. except for J Mac i dont think he should be there.

[quote comment="69156"]why would terry martin ever be in there he is not that good there are tons of poeple who are way better then him[/quote]

Two dominating wins over Jorge Rivera and particularly Ivan Salaverry is a very big deal.

I’m a fan of both, but I had Sylvia ahead of Cro Cop. I guess I was the only one since the rankings look the way they do.

I definitely think Swick should be in there for 185. Even if he will be fighting in the 170 lb division, all of his fights have been in 185. He is def better than Jason MacDonald.

I would argue with the 155, but that division is still too new in my opinion to make many arguments.

205 is packed now, at the top at least. There is definitely a large drop off once you get past the top 8 or so.

Overall, this list has not offended me. Machida should be up there, but he needs a game opponent first. The UFC has failed him so far.

I think the rankings are money.. the only problem i have is and dont get me wrong i love this guy, but i dont like how dan henderson comes in and gets a shot at the belt right away. You can use him for some intriguing matches before hand. Now your goin to have two former pride guys goin at it. I thought Rampage shouldve had another fight before chuck. I think its disrespecful for the guys already in the ufc, working there tail off for a company who r just goin to acquire other guys and throw them in front of the line. Let the new guys fight top ufc contenders 1st and earn a title shot. Not given one.. i could be wrong but thats how i feel. and i dont wanna hear that these new guys would murder 4-10 ranked guys in the ufc.. because anyone can beat anyone as u can see wit the last 4 ufc events.

to bad i cant spell original correct .. my bad

[quote comment="69154"]I second the motion to move to top 10… champ plus 9 more…..[/quote]
Hell, let’s just rank the top 15 or 20 in each division to get a better picture of what’s going on with the fighter’s that arent at the top. That would be nice.

I believe that shogun should be number two and henderson 3 in LHW because shogun dominated that division in pride while henderson normaly fought at 185. Also I believe that gonzaga should be number 3 behined noguiera(1) and crocop(2) in HW because gonzaga has only fought one legitimate contender. but besides that, great list.

lets not forget that hendo can fight in 2 weight classes, and shogun destroyed rampage.

[quote post="2256"]I think its disrespecful for the guys already in the ufc, working there tail off for a company who r just goin to acquire other guys and throw them in front of the line. Let the new guys fight top ufc contenders 1st and earn a title shot. Not given one..[/quote]

I completely and totally agree. It’s not fair.

UFCMANIA I know you guys like Fitch. I don’t think it is accurate that you took Diego out because of one bad performance. I think eventhough Diego was defeated by Kos he still is number three then Kos and Karo and Fitch….well you guys break your head with that one

[quote comment="69222"]UFCMANIA I know you guys like Fitch. I don’t think it is accurate that you took Diego out because of one bad performance. I think eventhough Diego was defeated by Kos he still is number three then Kos and Karo and Fitch….well you guys break your head with that one[/quote]

Lets remember Fitch has 12straight wins and is 5-0 in the UFC. Not to mention he beat Josh Burkman via rear naked choke in either the 1st or 2nd rd (cant remember) when Karo couldnt finish him and went to a decision. Viewing the common opponent and Fitch’s undefeated record hes earned a spot. Plus UFCMANIA jus contributed to the rankings, the sports writers from the publications named above had the largest hand in the rankings.

What exactly are these picks based on? Quality of opponent or quantity of fights or quality of performance or a little bit of each? I have a problem with some of these rankings. I’ll analyze it when I get home from work & post my picks.

One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1

so does anyone really believe that hermes can beat bj penn i know hermes is on a role but to me bj is much much better tell me what you guys think

[quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.

First i love the list.but to all thats saying shogun ran threw rampage your right but ass you guys can see anybody could win an when they fought before page didn’t have the belt he wasnn’t training right for his fights in japan,he totally change up everthing so i would love to see tem fight again cause it just won’t be a lost for page he will be losing the belt too.that would make any fighter fight harder

I’m surprised to see so much negativity to J-Mac, he’s really good. J-Mac vs Swick, I’d take J-Mac. I’m a little surprised to see Karo so high and no Diego.
I love the Lightweight Division. Man, all those fighters are great fighters.

[quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.

FYI – Dan Henderson is only 36 yrs. old. That’s a lot closer to 35 than 40.

Feel free to correct your report. – Always glad to help. Peace.

[quote comment="69221"][quote post="2256"]I think its disrespecful for the guys already in the ufc, working there tail off for a company who r just goin to acquire other guys and throw them in front of the line. Let the new guys fight top ufc contenders 1st and earn a title shot. Not given one..[/quote]

I completely and totally agree. It’s not fair.[/quote]
I’m on this one as well but in a way i’m happy because Rampage is Champ.

[quote comment="69239"]so does anyone really believe that hermes can beat bj penn i know hermes is on a role but to me bj is much much better tell me what you guys think[/quote]
That would be a good fight.

Soon there will be 2 more weight classes as soon as all the top fighters will join the ufc.It is so hard to rank fighters in mma because of style match-ups.QRJ has CL,so if the rumor mill is right CL will fight Silva then he should move up to hvywt.(just thinking ahead).Rankings are great,but 1 mistake and you could fall out of the top 5.

[quote comment="69222"]UFCMANIA I know you guys like Fitch. I don’t think it is accurate that you took Diego out because of one bad performance. I think eventhough Diego was defeated by Kos he still is number three then Kos and Karo and Fitch….well you guys break your head with that one[/quote]

We didn’t “take Diego out” because of Fitch. Part of the reason we enlist the insight of outside sources — who are very well in the know — is to balance our own personal biases. And, for what it’s worth, Karo replaced Sanchez … not Fitch. I know … Diego beat Karo — no need to remind me.

Had a couple of problems with this but overall a fantastic job.
I think Tim Slyvia should not even be considered top 5 heavyweights. (Being Biased)
I think that Brandon Vera should be on the list as top 5 UFC heavyweights.

With the lightweights BJ Penn said he would move back up to 170 after the BJ Penn fight because now and days it is too hard for him to cut the weight necessacary to be a 155.
Stevenson should be number 2 and Spencer Fisher should be number 5.
Here is my lightweight list
Sean Sherk
1.) Hermes Franca
2.) Joe Stevenson
3.)Roger Huerta
4.) Kenflo
5.) Spencer Fisher

Welterweight is dead on correct =p

Jason McDonald is a 6th on my list. I think Martin Kampmann is the 5th spot. If Martin was not in the top 5 I dont think Rich would have fought him.

I think Karo should be ahead of Matt Hughes, but Matt keeps dodging him, I want to see Karo/St.Pierre extremely bad.

I pretty much agree with the rankings except what is up with rashad being ahead of tito. Are you kidding me? He knocks out Salmon and everybody all of a sudden thinks he is the greatest. He isn’t…..he’s good but tito will destroy him with elbows from the guard all night.

[quote comment="69275"]FYI – Dan Henderson is only 36 yrs. old. That’s a lot closer to 35 than 40.

Feel free to correct your report. – Always glad to help. Peace.[/quote]

Happy? You guys love to nit-pick .

[quote comment="69302"][quote comment="69275"]FYI – Dan Henderson is only 36 yrs. old. That’s a lot closer to 35 than 40.

Feel free to correct your report. – Always glad to help. Peace.[/quote]

Happy? You guys love to nit-pick .[/quote]
It show’s you we care man

UFCmania

Off the topic but Sunday versus is going to the wec fights live.Some of the guys belong in the main event- THE UFC.The rankings are great by the way because it can give us more to debate.

sanchez out?
hendo that high?
i dont think cro cop beats the maine iac…

other than that i have no disagreements. nice job as usual mania

I’m a Rashad Evans fan but- I would not put him in the top yet until we see how he does against Tito. Gee, if the list went like 8 deep now that would solve it. Hint hint.

[quote comment="69264"][quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.[/quote]

Noguiera should be number 1. Like i said earlier, gonzaga has faced one legitimate contender. Like Gonzaga, Noguiera also defeated crocop but noguiera has been pride HW champ and faced several world class opponents, and won! Noguiera for sure #1

No matter what the rankings are, there will always be debate… Generally though, these are very good. Rankings are subjective…and should be seen that way.

I do think Diego is a top 5 170ib fighter, for a while there I thought he’ take the belt. Considering what we learned earlier this week (the retirement/infection thing), he may still be a future champ.

I can’t believe Martin already made the top 5 in the 185ib class. He’s basically beaten nobodies after getting his ass handed to him at LHW. Does this say more about this weight class than about his fighting? I’d say so.

At HW, questions, questions, and more questions. How long will Randy keep the belt? I’d say one fight (one win), maximum. How long till Fedor arrives to stir things up? Was GG’s knockout over CC a fluke? Is CC overrated? When does the best, Timmy, get another shot at the belt? All you Timmy haters, just wait…I’m not a big fan of his, but I do see him holding the belt again.

Wow… hard to believe but looking through the rest of the list, looks pretty good. My thing I don’t totally agree with is all the way down at 155: just a slight shuffle. I’d go Penn, Franca, Huerta, Daddy, KenFlo. We were discussing in one of the other threads that just because a guy is challenging for the belt, that doesn’t necessarily mean he is the #1 contender. Scheduling conflicts, injuries, contract disputes being as they are.

Huerta is a beast. There isn’t as much buzz about him because he looks like a magazine model. If he had gashes all over his forehead then people would say what a bad dude he is. Well that just proves he is beating the crap out of guys before they get a shot on him.

[quote comment="69321"]sanchez out?
hendo that high?
i dont think cro cop beats the maine iac…
other than that i have no disagreements. nice job as usual mania[/quote]
Yeah, I like Diego but I would say he is #6 at 170. NOW… if the list were to run out to say 8 fighters deep, then we would see our old buddy the nightmare. **hint hint**

Just imagine the many faces of Dana White:

At a press conference on the eve of UFC 74, Dana White talks about Randy Couture, reigning Heavyweight champ, UFC Hall-of-famer. “Randy is one of the greatest champions, ever, in the UFC and any sport for that matter. He has an unbelievable resume, walks on water and can feed the multitude with just 5 loaves”.

At UFC 74, Gonzaga wins by stopage at 3:21 in the 4th round.

At the post fight press conference Dana White says “Yeah, Gabriel Gonzaga really showed what a true champion he is. I see him holding the belt for a long, long time. Ummm Randy? What about Randy? Oh him? Yeah, well we’ll see where we go from here. He has to get a few more fights under his belt and then we can assess when he might deserve another title shot… or if he should get one. I think he has a lot to prove at this point.”

Uhhh.. Has anyone seen the ad for WEC on UFC’s web page? Anyone else find that weird?

[quote comment="69331"][quote comment="69264"][quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.[/quote]

Noguiera should be number 1. Like i said earlier, gonzaga has faced one legitimate contender. Like Gonzaga, Noguiera also defeated crocop but noguiera has been pride HW champ and faced several world class opponents, and won! Noguiera for sure #1[/quote]
Nog should be #1 contender for sure. Werdum beat Gonzaga not that long ago too but then he lost to Arlovski. But all bets are off if Emelianenko (Fedor) signs. Hey you know what, it would be great if the list were extended to go like 8 fighters deep.

[quote comment="69132"][quote comment="69123"]My praising of Arlovski may be getting tiresome, but with all the talk about him getting a title shot next (even if it’s since been retracted), I would have put him higher, probably behind Gonzaga. The rest is really good, I especially like the difficult to judge middleweight division rankings. Hate to see Jardine fall off the list in lhw, but he did get blasted…[/quote]

Reasonable people disagree, but for what it’s worth, I completely agree. Arlovski’s defeat of Werdum is a big deal, yet people rank him behind Sylvia, who is coming off of a loss. Yes, Sylvia bested him twice, but if we’re talking about where fighters are now, I think Arlovski is getting the shaft.[/quote]

Glad you agree, I say it makes us the reasonable people, not the other way around. He was named the number two contender behind Gonzaga, so he should be ranked a little higher no matter if he is getting screwed out of a title shot or not. It’s hard to debate that fact isn’t it?

[quote comment="69292"]Soon there will be 2 more weight classes as soon as all the top fighters will join the ufc.[/quote]
What would the new weight classes be? 145- like a featherweight and what else… superheavyweight? Set the cut off at 400 lbs so Bob Sapp can sign. Heavyweight cut-off could be lowered to maybe 250 or 242 (110 kilos). I think most of the top guys now could make that with little trouble. Then superheavyweight cap at 300 or 325. I don’t think it should be unlimited and then you have that Akebono sumo guy who weighs like 5,000 lbs winning all the time just by being fat. Dude would bust the cage out too.

[quote comment="69245"]I’m surprised to see so much negativity to J-Mac, he’s really good. J-Mac vs Swick, I’d take J-Mac. I’m a little surprised to see Karo so high and no Diego.
I love the Lightweight Division. Man, all those fighters are great fighters.[/quote]
I think J-Mac vs. Swick would go just like Okami vs. Swick- not well for Swick.

[quote comment="69208"]I believe that shogun should be number two and henderson 3 in LHW because shogun dominated that division in pride while henderson normaly fought at 185. Also I believe that gonzaga should be number 3 behined noguiera(1) and crocop(2) in HW because gonzaga has only fought one legitimate contender. but besides that, great list.[/quote]
I know what you are saying but it’s really hard to put Gonzaga below Crocop after that headkick. And there was a significant beating leading up to that too. Crocop is one tough mo-fo, definitely a top five guy but he forgot to load his guns that night.

[quote comment="69131"]
Whats up with Martin and Macdonald in 185. No way either one of those guys should be there. [/quote]
Yeah Martin’s record is choppy but since he dropped to 185, he looks scary. He absolutely pounded Rivera and Salaverry. But I think he still needs to fight and beat a top guy and prove he belongs at the top. I would throw Kampmann at him and see what happens.

He still has baby fat on him too and if he could even drop to 170, then watch out! He’ll be choking out Matt Hughes.

I love this site

What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that?

Thanks, Chris

[quote comment="69374"]What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that?

Thanks, Chris[/quote]

I think It means* I love homo: something like that/

J.Rking

ufc owns the wec

great work guys, looks like you did your homework. my only disagreement would be tito being a top 5 fighter. other than wooping up on a 90 year old shamrock and squeaking out a decision over forrest his skill has diminished IMO.

Soon there will be 2 more weight classes as soon as all the top fighters will join the ufc.

What would the new weight classes be? 145- like a featherweight and what else… superheavyweight? Set the cut off at 400 lbs so Bob Sapp can sign. Heavyweight cut-off could be lowered to maybe 250 or 242 (110 kilos). I think most of the top guys now could make that with little trouble. Then superheavyweight cap at 300 or 325. I don’t think it should be unlimited and then you have that Akebono sumo guy who weighs like 5,000 lbs winning all the time just by being fat. Dude would bust the cage out too.

Where can I find out more about these rumored new weight classes? A 145 and a super heavy weight class would be great. Every ppv would have one and sometimes two and occaisionally three title bouts and fights where the winner gets a title shot. Fight nights would then be to qualify for the top five that would be on the ppv. So 1 in 3 main events could be free so that we don’t go broke buying a ppv each month (not counting Pride ppvs)

Karo #3.. bout time..

parisyan future WW champ

WAR KARO

[quote comment="69196"]I’m a fan of both, but I had Sylvia ahead of Cro Cop. I guess I was the only one since the rankings look the way they do.[/quote]

A fan of Sylvia…oh God… it’s your turn to lob one up Jesse, but I’m gonna let this one slide, it’s too easy.

You know what I’m going to further my argument on Arlovski being higher up. I think he’s a number 3 on the list. I know Nog is great but he hasn’t fought the cage yet. Somebody said GG didn’t deserve to be #1 or technically 2. Crazy! he should definetly be right under RC. He deserves this fight. KOing CC like that. Tito cannot be under Evans. At that Evans/Machida should be fighting for that 5th spot. Although Ortiz/Evans fight will settle this argument soon enough. 155 is perfect. I thought about it a bit and I still think Swick should be ranked in 185 above whack ass Terry Martin and JMac. Much props on sponsoring Fitch but Sanchez still ranks 5th in 170.

I’m sorry correction Sanchez should be 4th, and Fitch/Karo compete for 5th. I would like to see that fight.

[quote comment="69364"][quote comment="69208"]I believe that shogun should be number two and henderson 3 in LHW because shogun dominated that division in pride while henderson normaly fought at 185. Also I believe that gonzaga should be number 3 behined noguiera(1) and crocop(2) in HW because gonzaga has only fought one legitimate contender. but besides that, great list.[/quote]
I know what you are saying but it’s really hard to put Gonzaga below Crocop after that headkick. And there was a significant beating leading up to that too. Crocop is one tough mo-fo, definitely a top five guy but he forgot to load his guns that night.[/quote]

Yea I understand where you’re coming from but its stall hard to say if Gonzaga is for real. I’m not saying that he isn’t, I’m just saying that we have yet to find out because he’s only fought one person that people actually know (crocop). Crocop on the other hand, was number 2 before he lost that fight and gonzaga was somewhere in the teens probably, maybe he cracked top ten, but thats not the point. The point is that gonzaga should not have sky-rocketed that high just because of that one fight, he hasnt had a chance to prove he is legit yet…

WHERE THE HELL IS DIEGO!!!!!!!!

I hope Fedor will be there soon…

I like the Rankings, as with many others I think Diego should have a place up there (even though I am no real fan of his). All in all I like the rankings.

Later
Chris Valentine

[quote comment="69331"][quote comment="69264"][quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.[/quote]

Noguiera should be number 1. Like i said earlier, gonzaga has faced one legitimate contender. Like Gonzaga, Noguiera also defeated crocop but noguiera has been pride HW champ and faced several world class opponents, and won! Noguiera for sure #1[/quote]

If king kong came in in the ufc you should put him in the first position even he he hasn’t fought anyone, stop saying GG shouldn’t be there because he hasn’t fought many opponents, that means nothing.
a fighter as to be above another if he had over a 51% probability to win if they fought right now.
By the way I think a champion shouldn’t be ranked n°1 only because he is the champ.

What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that for me? I am new to this site and was wondering.

Thanks, Chris

Heavy (I would reverse Tim and Cro-Cop until CC Does tim in)

L heavy is Good.

Middle weight (I cant really say as I dont pay any attention to the division)

Welter Weight (I would pluck Karo out and put him infront of Fitch) So Karo 4 and Fitch 5. ( I like Karo but we will just have to see Fitch fight someone on the list to prove he is top 5)

LW I think Joe Stevenson/Fraca/BJ could all be interchanged(no Pulver, I know he is washed up…) This division is about to get shook up by Lauzon & Manny from UFC 5.

It really should be a top 9 and Champ. it wouldnt really be any harder with so much input…

And yes the UFC needs to put an event on atleast every 2-3 weeks inorder to straighten it out… There is so much potential.

[quote comment="69562"]What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that for me? I am new to this site and was wondering.

Thanks, Chris[/quote]
IMHO is text/IM shorthand for ‘in my humble opinion.’

[quote post="2256"] I want to see Karo/St.Pierre extremely bad.[/quote]

They already fought, unless you meant to say Karo/GSp II?

I guess Om just confused and think differently but I do not think that Mirko Cro Cop, Terry Martin, or BJ Penn should be ranked in the top 5 in their respective divisions. If anyone disagrees Im sorry but I just dont see those guys as top 5. The only close call is BJ Penn but I dont think you can just drop to a division and suddenly be in the top 5. Again BJ is great its just principal.

Another thing if we can all agree that Gabriel Gonzaga is the #1 contender, then why is Matt Hughes behind St. Pierre? They both have a loss against the other but it is Matt Hughes who is scheduled for the title shot.

Disagree all you like I encourage it but this is how I see it

Heavyweight Champion – Randy Couture
1. Gabriel Gonzaga
2. Big Nog
3. Andre Arvloski
4. Brandon Vera
5. Tim Sylvia (Even though he is a candy ass crybaby)

Light Heavyweight Champion – Quinton Jackson
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Dan Henderson (actual number 1 contender but Chuck is a proven stud)
3. Shogun (Believe me I tried scrolling through the division to find someone else to put in here couldnt come up with anyone)
4. Tito Ortiz
5. Rashad Evans (will break his cherry among top tier talent soon)

Middleweight Champion – Andreson Silva
1. Nate Marquardt
2. Rich Franklin
3. Yushin Okami
4. Martin Kampman
5. Too close to call (MacDonald is a naturally gifted athlete who can fight, Swick had a ton of tough fights, possibly Terry Martin for consideration but may put Groove above him)

Welterweight Champion – Matt Serra
1. Matt Hughes
2. George St. Pierre
3. Josh Koscheck
4. Diego Sanchez
5. Jon Fitch

“wahhhhhhhhh” – Karo Parisyan

Lightweight Champion – Sean Sherk
1. Hermes Franca
2. Joe Stevenson (hands down)
3. Roger Huerta
4. Kenny Florian (I just think Roger is way tougher)
5. Very debateable

Very honorable mentions all can be #5
(Spencer Fischer, Jens Pulver, Joe Lauzon, and Din Thomas even though that kid Jeremy Stevens didnt tap)

Must say : I keep hearing things about this Kurt Pellegrino kid but he hasnt fought anyone worth mentioning except Drew Fickett and that resulted in a loss. So why does anyone believe he can beat Joe Stevenson?

kevin, i think your lhw is right on…
Cro Cop ans Sylvia both are still above Vera, even though they are both coming off of a loss, Vera hasn’t fought anyone in his career that is as good as the guys these 2 lost to..not to mention he hasnt foguht in a long ass time..im sure he can move up the list, but he has to fight
Rich is above Nate..Swick is above Kampmann, strength of shedule…not to mention i think people are giving Jmac too much credit, what would he do against a guy like Dean Lister, nothing, so id say swick and list are on there before Kampman and Jmac and Martin
Gsp is still ahead of hughes because he won their LATEST fight, and did it in more dominating fashion, but after that i agree with the ww
Do you honestly think Bj doesnt deserve to be on the list at 155, just think about a match up with him and anyone else on that list, the other guy would be the underdog everytime with the exception of Sherk…also i like Huerta a lot, but he isnt as proven as Florian yet, so he gets #5, with BJ being on there somewhere

[quote comment="69131"]Looks pretty good. 155 is perfect! Whats up with Martin and Macdonald in 185. No way either one of those guys should be there. What the hell happen to Swick? I still don’t feel Ortiz should be below Evans. Questioning…whether Pitbull should be 3rd, even 4th. In 170 I’m thinking Kos should be 3rd, Sanchez should be 4th, Karo and Ftich can duke it out at 5th.[/quote]

those were all my beefs too stafo, i agree completely, diego has to be at least 4th in ww, and i can’t see an argument yet that can put rah ahead of tito, i guess we’ll find out soon

An excellent point was made by Original IGuy and he said it very well. It stinks that the UFC guys get bumped down by Dana and company when these Pride guys are immediately thrown in to title contention. I believe these guys should definitly work there way up even though they may be top 5 in the “world”. It sucks when a Dan Henderson comes in … Forrest falls further down the charts. Or when a Cro Cop comes in and a Brandan Vera or Jake O’brien two rising stars with potential fall. Sure money has to be made but we should see some morals and principles from the UFC.

also, i think hermes franca has a legit shot at beating sean sherk even though i don’t think he will, but he is definitely not better than bj penn, i would put him 4th or 5th at best in the lw division, maybe not even on the board at all…

again Kevin, rankings arent trying to make the fighters feel good about themselves, not to mention, these rankings and any rankings you see on the internet have no affect on the UFC or the fighters in anyway…as youve seen before, its not exactly how fights are made in the eyes of joe silva….and if Forrest can beat Dan then he should be on the list, but i think making these rankings, and the UFC fighting roster getting more and more depth, you have to go on credintials of the Pride fighters

spida, id say you are right about hermes, i even think Joe daddy is above him…but hes definately top 5 and is getting his shot, so im not complaining

hw: randy couture
1. gabriel gonzaga
2. big nog
3. cro cop
4. tim sylvia
5. arlovski
honorable mention: vera, kongo, werdum, o’brien, herring

lhw: rampage jackson
1. chuck liddell
2. sho gun rua
3. dan henderson
4. tito ortiz
5. rahshad evans
honorable mention: machida, bisping, babalu, forrest, lambert, jardine

mw: anderson silva
1. rich franklin
2. yushin okami
3. nate marquardt
4. travis lutter
5. kendel grove
honorable mention: terry martin, j mac, kampmann, swick, dean lister

ww: matt serra
1. gsp
2. matt hughes
3. diego sanchez
4. karo
5. koscheck
honorable mention: fitch, lytle, fickett, joslin,

lw: sean sherk
1. bj penn
2. joe stevenson
3. kenny florian
4. roger huerta
5. hermes franca
honorable mention: din thomas, frank edgar, spencer fisher, tyson griffin, jens pulver

Hey, what about Lyoto Machida? Isn’t he undefeated?

[quote comment="69381"][quote comment="69374"]What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that?

Thanks, Chris[/quote]

I think It means* I love homo: something like that/[/quote]
or I ‘m having orgasms

[quote comment="69604"]Heavyweight Champion – Randy Couture
…
5. Tim Sylvia (Even though he is a candy ass crybaby)
[/quote]
Oh man Kevin, that must be tearing you up to put Sylvia that high on the list. Ha!

why isnt hendo in the 185 rankings ? he holds the belt over in pride and plans on taking it over at ufc and i doubt his plans will be ruined. rich franklin and hendo should compete for the number one spot …..or he can go straight for silva and get the title just as he plans for rampage.

soon to be champions …fedor heaveyweight, shogun light heavyweight, hendo middleweight, matt huhges will beat matt serra for the TUF6 finale for the welterweighttitle, and light weight will be sean sherk for a long time if bj penn doesnt take it from him

[quote comment="69631"]hw: randy couture
1. gabriel gonzaga
2. big nog
3. cro cop
4. tim sylvia
5. arlovski
honorable mention: vera, kongo, werdum, o’brien, herring

lhw: rampage jackson
1. chuck liddell
2. sho gun rua
3. dan henderson
4. tito ortiz
5. rahshad evans
honorable mention: machida, bisping, babalu, forrest, lambert, jardine

mw: anderson silva
1. rich franklin
2. yushin okami
3. nate marquardt
4. travis lutter
5. kendel grove
honorable mention: terry martin, j mac, kampmann, swick, dean lister

ww: matt serra
1. gsp
2. matt hughes
3. diego sanchez
4. karo
5. koscheck
honorable mention: fitch, lytle, fickett, joslin,

lw: sean sherk
1. bj penn
2. joe stevenson
3. kenny florian
4. roger huerta
5. hermes franca
honorable mention: din thomas, frank edgar, spencer fisher, tyson griffin, jens pulver[/quote]

Great list overall… id just put marquardt over okami… koshckeck should also be over sanchez… based on the fact he beat him… the thing about ww is that its so competetive that just one loss will send you tumbling.. hermes franca over setevenson also

Here is how I would tweek the top 5 in this column.

HW’s
Take out Sylvia
4. Arlovski
5. Brandon Vera

LHW
I agree, keep it the same

MW
1. Dan Henderson (BY FAR)
2. Rich Franklin
3. Okami
4/5 Martin or Swick, either or, 4 or 5

WW
1 and 2 same
3. Jon Fitch
4. Karo
5. Kos

LW
1. BJ Penn
2. Hermes Franca
3. Joe Stevenson
4. Roger Huerta
5. Ken-Flo

[quote comment="69331"][quote comment="69264"][quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.[/quote]

Noguiera should be number 1. Like i said earlier, gonzaga has faced one legitimate contender. Like Gonzaga, Noguiera also defeated crocop but noguiera has been pride HW champ and faced several world class opponents, and won! Noguiera for sure #1[/quote]

AMEN!

Big Nog has only lost 4 times in his career and all 4 were by way of decision:

2 to Fedor – unanimous
1 to Josh Barnett – Split
1 to Dan Henderson – Split

The man is tough as nails and will school Gonzaga in BJJ any day of the week and eat up the whole HW division until Fedor decides to come over the pond to play UFC too.

Minotauro turns 31 in a couple days so he has a lot of fight left in him.

Where’s Sanchez?

Tito Ortiz is ranked? WOW!

That’s what a split decision win against Forrest Griffin and beating Ken Shamrock three times in a career will do for a guy I suppose. Then again, Tito did beat Wand in the year 2000… and he’s dating a worn out 90’s Porn queen – guaranteed 5th spot in LHW!

I was just pondering something and Id like your guys’ input on the subject … Recently Dana White said Chuck Liddell would now have to work his way back up (naturally he would have to ) and have a nother 2-3 fights before fighting for the title again. Here is how I would like to see it before Chuck reaches 40 years old and fights for the belt, which will prob be his last bout.

I want Chuck Liddell to fight the following guys (IN THIS ORDER) and I think that they would be good fights.

1. Michael Bisping – Im tired of seeing him protected by the White and Joe Silva in all of these UK bouts. Chuck needs a tune up and Bisping needs to get his clock cleaned.
2. Stephan Bonnar – After coming off a steroid charge, he should have one warm up fight this summer and then take on Chuck Liddell early in 2008.
3. Forrest Griffen by spring of 2008, Griffen will have another 1-2 wins under his belt and will be primed for a huge fight.

Any real ideas out there ?

Because for sure one of these fights will definitly occur. The UFC has put a lot of time and money in to these 3 fighters and marketing wise Liddell fighting them to work his way up the ladder makes a lot of sense.

We see the direction White is going in, he brought in Henderson to already fight for the belt so its all about promotion, marketing, and money. I dont think we will be seeing a Liddell versus Lyota Machida match up or Liddell versus Houston Alexander for the scheer fact that it doesnt smell like a big Vegas fight.

[quote comment="69580"][quote comment="69562"]What is IMHO? Can someone please answer that for me? I am new to this site and was wondering.

Thanks, Chris[/quote]
IMHO is text/IM shorthand for ‘in my humble opinion.’[/quote]

Thanks PW! I was just asking a simple question and I see how other folks want to act immature about it, but I really appreciate you answering that for me PW.

Thanks, Chris

Big Nog has sick bjj, but Gonzaga is a adu dabi champion, a tournament that Nog has competed in, but never really done that well….fyi…

also, The ufc will not have forrest or Bisping vs chuck, unless it was a must…Forrest vs Chuck would make a shitload of money, but i doubt it would ever happen

[quote comment="69726"]I was just pondering something and Id like your guys’ input on the subject … Recently Dana White said Chuck Liddell would now have to work his way back up (naturally he would have to ) and have a nother 2-3 fights before fighting for the title again. Here is how I would like to see it before Chuck reaches 40 years old and fights for the belt, which will prob be his last bout.

I want Chuck Liddell to fight the following guys (IN THIS ORDER) and I think that they would be good fights.

1. Michael Bisping – Im tired of seeing him protected by the White and Joe Silva in all of these UK bouts. Chuck needs a tune up and Bisping needs to get his clock cleaned.
2. Stephan Bonnar – After coming off a steroid charge, he should have one warm up fight this summer and then take on Chuck Liddell early in 2008.
3. Forrest Griffen by spring of 2008, Griffen will have another 1-2 wins under his belt and will be primed for a huge fight.

Any real ideas out there ?

Because for sure one of these fights will definitly occur. The UFC has put a lot of time and money in to these 3 fighters and marketing wise Liddell fighting them to work his way up the ladder makes a lot of sense.

We see the direction White is going in, he brought in Henderson to already fight for the belt so its all about promotion, marketing, and money. I dont think we will be seeing a Liddell versus Lyota Machida match up or Liddell versus Houston Alexander for the scheer fact that it doesnt smell like a big Vegas fight.[/quote]

Quick question, how many UK bouts have you seen my boy Bisping in? I’ve only seen one. Bisping’s had two “warm up” fights since TUF. Do your homework, check out how many Diego, Griffin, Rashad, Stevenson had before they faught “real” competition. Yeah, some fighters may have gotten off lighter than others. Bonner sure did, and he talked a lot of shit in the process. I’m really hoping they’ll hit Bisping with some legit competeition next fight. I really hope to god it’s not Lidell. I’d like to see Bisping fight a top ten, but mabye not a top 5.

If you ask me – feed Chuck the best in the division, and see what happens. If he’s the true Champ many of us think he is, he’ll take them all out. If he’s lost a step, it will become clear. At this stage in his career Chuck doesn’t need warm up fights, he needs to earn a title shot.

[quote comment="69264"][quote comment="69240"][quote comment="69234"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1[/quote]
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.[/quote]

Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???

I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.[/quote]
I didn’t feel the need to always explain myself Sunshine but if you so desire. There are many factors considered, wins and fight experience over ranked fighters ect. Let’s see ranked higher then GG. Antonio Nogueria for one. Fedor for another . What? I thought this was an international sport and should count all mma artist. Oh only UFC people should count? Maybe Pride since they we’re bought by the UFC and slowly bleeding Pride? Who is the Pride HW Champ? Who beat CC as well? How does one big fight make him (GG) number one in the world? If this is a world wide sport and not just a UFC company rankings then count all worth counting, not just who you have on your payrole. It’s like pretending he doesn’t exist and people you don’t own, aren’t real.

Wadz you make a nice point in that some people have easy fights before hitting the big time (see Rashad Evans), but make no mistake about it, Diego never had an easy road in the UFC, he has fought top guys from the beginning (Kenny Florian, Nick Diaz, and more recently Karo and Joe Riggs).

Another thing, Bisping’s next fight is again on Manchester and probably against someone whom he can pull a victory over. His next fight is scheduled fo England thus making it two fights so you may want to do your homework in that category. Either way Dana said Chuck will have to work his way back up via 2-3 fights.

Why not give Chuck those three guys I mentioned, because t doesnt make sense for him to fight Tito again. Maybe you can eliminate Chuck from fighting Bisping and take him out of the equation. But like it or not Chuck’s next fight will certainly be a guaranteed victory because you cannot have your poster boy lose two straight.

Chuck’s next fights COULD BE :

1. Michael Bisping
2. Stephan Bonnar (I think this is almost a definite fight)
3. Forrest Griffen

If the UFC truely wants Chuck to get back to a title shot, the only way to help do so is to place him in the actagon against guys who WANT to trade with him. Any true well rounded fighter may give him some slight difficulties (not problems), he could still pull out a victory but I believe that White and Joe Silva want to give him every opportunity to get back to the top and pitting him against guys who love to throw hands is his best chance.

Chuck would wipe the floor with Bisping and have a tougher time with Bonnar because of his height but he would still win hands down.

The Griffen fight would definitly sell a lot of PPVs and its the perfect setting …. If by chance Forrest does win, it symbolizes a passing of the torch and a rise of a true championship contender (even though Chuck isnt champ he is still a top dog). If Chuck wins it will cement his shot to fight for the belt because Forrest is a tough dude and someone the UFC has put a ton of time and money in to. This match is something that they want and will build up.

2.

Just another update for you Wadz, Joe Stevenson came in early and fought tough guys a la Josh Neer and Yves Edwards so you wont win any argument there.

But you are CERTAINLY right when you said Rashad had a cake walk and to a lesser extent Forrest Griffen until h fought Tito. Good stuff though so keep it coming kid !

UFC Middleweights

1. Anderson Silva (Champion) undefeated in 3 UFC fights beat Travis Lutter at UFC 67
18-4-0 6′ 0″ 185

Nate (the Great) Marquardt undefeated in 4 UFC fights, title shot vs Silva Ufc 73 28-6-1 6′ 0″ 185

Rich Franklin beat Jason Macdonald at UFC 68, fighting Yushin Okami at UFC 72
23-2-0 6′ 1″ 185

Yushin Okami undefeated in 4 UFC fights, beat Mike (quick) Swick at UFC 72
21-3-0 6′ 2″ 185

Martin (the Hitman) Kampmann undefeated in 3 UFC fights, last win at UFC 68
12-1-0 6′ 0″ 185

Terry Martin won last 2 UFC fights; beat Ivan Salaverry at UFC 71
18-2-0 5′ 8″ 185

Jason (the Athlete) Macdonald lost to Rich Franklin at UFC 68, fighting at UFC 72
19-8-0 6′ 3″ 185

Kendall Grove undefeated in 2 UFC fights, won at UFC 69 over Alan Blencher
9-3-0 6′ 6″ 185

Ed (Short Fuse) Herman won last fight over Chris Price at fight night,fighting Patrick Cote at Ufc 72
14-4-0 6′ 2″ 185

Patrick (the Predator) Cote beat Scott (Hands of Steel) Smith at UFC 67, fighting Ed Herman at Ufc 72
10-4-0 5′ 11″ 185

*Mike Swick is not included in the calulations as he mentioned in his post game interview after losing to Yushin Okami that he was seriously considering droping to the welterweight divison*

[quote comment="70616"]*Mike Swick is not included in the calulations as he mentioned in his post game interview after losing to Yushin Okami that he was seriously considering droping to the welterweight divison*[/quote]

Swick should defenitly be up there, Jason Macdonald should be out

ed herman fights scott smith, not cote…kendell grove has 3 ufc wins not 2…

Chuck’s next fights COULD BE :

1. Michael Bisping
2. Stephan Bonnar (I think this is almost a definite fight)
3. Forrest Griffen

Chuck is going to fight wanderlei if wanderlei doesnt decide to take the year off

[quote comment="70594"]
Ed (Short Fuse) Herman

won last fight over Chris Price at fight night,fighting Patrick Cote at Ufc 72
14-4-0 6′ 2″ 185

[/quote]
Ed Herman in the top 8?? J you must be smokin the ‘jay’. He is in the 12 to 20 range.

[quote comment="71203"]
1. Michael Bisping
2. Stephan Bonnar (I think this is almost a definite fight)
3. Forrest Griffen
[/quote]
Bisping is the face of UFC GB. He isn’t going to fight anyone tough. I heard for his next fight they are going to stake a blind old dog in the middle, give Bisping a machete and let him have at it.

Oh wait, that wasn’t a blind dog- that was that 8-10 Elvis Sinosic I’m thinking of.

[quote comment="70244"]Another thing, Bisping’s next fight is again on Manchester and probably against someone whom he can pull a victory over.[/quote]
Yeah, a guy in a coma is going to be laying in the middle and Bisping gets a baseball bat and a power drill.

White isn’t taking any chances with his boy Brit’.

ringside UFC 72:

Mike Goldberg: Now Bisping with the chainsaw! Bisping!
Joe Rogan: Ohhh that’s some really nasty cuts on the coma guy.

Mike Goldberg: You said it Joe. Yamasaki should think about
stopping this soon. I don’t see any defense there.

Joe Rogan: I’m just covered with blood now. Yeah, this isn’t pretty. Bisping is just overpowering coma guy.

Randy Couture: yeah their styles just don’t match up well. Bisping is quick… has good cardio and striking. And well, coma guy frankly just isn’t at his level. He may never get there. Who knows, we’ll just have to wait and see.

They look good (i love that terry is up there) but ive just got some problems.

Nog should be above gonzaga. Gonzagas only credibility is his win over a guy nog already beat. When you add that to the fact that nog has fought the best in the world and the only person who can say they’re one(2) up on him is fedor. You can say gabe has octagon experience but, if thats a real deciding factor Neither should be ranked above Tim and Andrei.

Dan henderson is way too small too beat shougun or Rashad. Especially Rashad. The guy cuts at least ten pounds to make weight and in the octagon he is easily the stronger better wrestler, he will be able to control the fight.

Does Matt hughes have some amazing guard that i havent heard about? Cause unless he does there is just no way he can beat kos and i shouldnt have to explain why. As for karo, just b/c he says he deserves a title shot means its true? This kid hasent beat anyone important in ages he hasnt done anything to warrant ranking above kos, except run his mouth.

I think Diego should be top 5 Dont know why Kos is in there. And Karo deff has earned his spot in the top 5 so i dunno what the hell Taltos is talking about and i dont think he knows either. Besides Diego the only ones to beat Karo are former or current champions. Gsp,Serra,Sherk. And karo has had decent fights against top notch athletes and has been winning. Maybe we will get to see a Karo vs Kos fight in the future and then your high regards of Kos will be justified well if he wins. And hughes Vs Kos unless Kos knocks hughes out Kos isnt gonna run through Hughes except maybe in your imagination.

I agree with you Robin! Joe Lauzon is going to plow (plow because he’s from New England) through the 155 rankings. He should be fighting this Thursday and in the finals the week after. Let’s see if they rank Joe “The Giant Killer” in the top five next time.

Well first of all mamas boy, your joke about bisping’s competition wasnt in the least bit funny and it lasted way too long. just wait though…they’ll put bisping against somebody real soon and he’ll walk right through them, hes for real. chuck is going against wanderlei next hopefully. Back to the rankings though…spencer fisher just earned himself a top 5 spot next rankings with his war against stout, I’m not at all a fisher fan but hes tough as nails. I def agree about Joe Lauzon, hes great. Lastly, I would like to see Kendall Grove in the top 5 for MW.

Rashad Evans will kill Tito Ortiz

what happen to brandon vera?

[quote post="2256"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.
Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???
I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights. [/quote]

Well said.

[quote post="2256"]One things for sure, GG should NOT be listed at #1
You are so very right. Must be a spot reserved for the next guy fighting the Champion. At least in boxing a #6 ranked guy can fight the Champ. They don’t pretend he’s ranked #1 just because.
Who should be #1 then????? Sylvia who got dominated by the current champ??? Orvlovski who lost TWICE to the guy who got dominated by the current champ??? Cro-Cop who got destroyed by Gonzaga the man who doesnt deserve #1 in your eyes???
I mean its one thing to say their not good rankings, but then please tell me who should be there. B/c i dont see anyone besides Gonzaga deserving given their most recent fights.
Noguiera should be number 1. Like i said earlier, gonzaga has faced one legitimate contender. Like Gonzaga, Noguiera also defeated crocop but noguiera has been pride HW champ and faced several world class opponents, and won! Noguiera for sure #1 [/quote]

Uh, UFC rankings, not Pride.

tito ortiz has a big chalenge ahead of him! he doesnt like to fight and if he gets caught he could back down

No Way I have Kenny Florian rated so high? who has he beaten- Sam Stout and Dokonjonsuke Mishima (old version). I have Frank Edgar (Beat Tyson Griffin) and Joe Lauzon (Beat Jens Pulver) ranked ahead of him.
My Lightweight rankings are:

1. Sean Sherk
2. Hermes France
3. Joe Stevenson
4. B.J. Penn
5. Roger Huerta (Beat John Halverson, Leonard Garcia, Jason Dent, Naoyuki Kotani)
6. Spencer Fisher (Beat Sam Stout, Aaron Riley, Thiago Alves)
7. Frank Edgar (Tyson Griffin who beat Uriah Faber)
8. Joe Lauzon (Beat Jens Pulver)
9. Kenny Florian
10. Din Thomas

I meant Hermes Franca sorry!

It’s almost time to post June’s rankings without any belt fights since the last one. Shouldn’t be much change.

rashad shouldnt b avobe tito

St. Pierre fo life!!!

what is the deal with bj penn is he moving to welt or staying, i think he should stay. he said go on his website to hear wut he had to say but its not working. anyone read it or find out what he had to say?

There is no reason that Chuck should be the second ranked contender to Rampage. Rampage dominated him twice Chuck just does not match up well with him. Michael Bisping is a better 205 fighter than Rashad Evans.

with the winner of koscheck and pierre fighting the winner og hughes and sera penn wont get to fight hughes for 2 years. as i expect hughes to win. bj penn is stupid if he doesnt stay at 155. he is a shoe in for title shot and running to make the weight keeps his cardio good. he actually looked conditioned to go five rounds for once against pulver at 155. Penn should stay at 155 for a couple years and get the belt while waiting for his shot at hughes.

[quote comment="82705"]No Way I have Kenny Florian rated so high? who has he beaten- Sam Stout and Dokonjonsuke Mishima (old version). I have Frank Edgar (Beat Tyson Griffin) and Joe Lauzon (Beat Jens Pulver) ranked ahead of him.
My Lightweight rankings are:

1. Sean Sherk
2. Hermes France
3. Joe Stevenson
4. B.J. Penn
5. Roger Huerta (Beat John Halverson, Leonard Garcia, Jason Dent, Naoyuki Kotani)
6. Spencer Fisher (Beat Sam Stout, Aaron Riley, Thiago Alves)
7. Frank Edgar (Tyson Griffin who beat Uriah Faber)
8. Joe Lauzon (Beat Jens Pulver)
9. Kenny Florian
10. Din Thomas[/quote]

stevenson better then penn? wut are u smoking. how are you going to have joe lauzon in ur top 10 but not karo’s cousin or diez? u should get a bigger T.V maybe u can see the fights.

[quote comment="87832"]There is no reason that Chuck should be the second ranked contender to Rampage. Rampage dominated him twice Chuck just does not match up well with him. Michael Bisping is a better 205 fighter than Rashad Evans.[/quote]

no chuck does not match up well with rampage but ranking arn’t relative to who the champ is. tito beat silva who destroyed rampage, so should tito be number 2 although chuck dominated tito 100x? and i dont think that saying bisping is better than evans is fair when neither have really fought anyone good. we will find out how good evans is against tito, bisping yet to be tested, they keep putting him against bums to keep the england fans. they got some new bum the hammer or something wow he’s undefeated, undefeated doesnt mean anything, i went up agianst someone in the state wrestling finals who was undefeated and ate his lunch.

Cant believe Brandon “The truth” Vera is not considered as a serious contender, i mean come on, he’s on a roll, and i think he’ll beat pretty much anyone at heavy weight and he’d kill rampage if he dropped to light-heavy weight!

[quote comment="84275"]rashad shouldnt b avobe tito[/quote]

yea right… id like to place a wager on the fight.

HW CHAMP RANDY COUTURE
1. GG (Cause he is getting the title shot)/ FEDOR WHEN HE SIGNS
2. Big Nog
3. CC
4. Andrei Arlovski
5. Brandon Vera

LHW CHAMP PAGE
1. Dan Henderson
2. Shogun
3. Liddell
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Tito/Rashad

MW CHAMP ANDERSON SILVA
1. NATHAN MARQUARDT
2. SHOULD BE PAULO FILHO BUT RICH FRANKLIN
3. Yushin Okamo
4. Martin Kammpman/Thales Leites
5. Kendal Groves

WW CHAMP MATT SERRA
1. Karo Parysian
2. Jon Fitch
3. Georges ST. Pierre
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Matt Hughes

LW CHAMP SHERK
1. HERMES FRANCA
2. BJ PENN
3. MACH SAKURAI
4. JOE DADDY
5 ROGER HUERTA ( UNTIL SATURDAYS PERFORMANCE) KENNY FLORIAN/ MARCUS AURELIO

[quote comment="91267"]HW CHAMP RANDY COUTURE
1. GG (Cause he is getting the title shot)/ FEDOR WHEN HE SIGNS
2. Big Nog
3. CC
4. Andrei Arlovski
5. Brandon Vera

LHW CHAMP PAGE
1. Dan Henderson
2. Shogun
3. Liddell
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Tito/Rashad

MW CHAMP ANDERSON SILVA
1. NATHAN MARQUARDT
2. SHOULD BE PAULO FILHO BUT RICH FRANKLIN
3. Yushin Okamo
4. Martin Kammpman/Thales Leites
5. Kendal Groves

WW CHAMP MATT SERRA
1. Karo Parysian
2. Jon Fitch
3. Georges ST. Pierre
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Matt Hughes

LW CHAMP SHERK
1. HERMES FRANCA
2. BJ PENN
3. MACH SAKURAI
4. JOE DADDY
5 ROGER HUERTA ( UNTIL SATURDAYS PERFORMANCE) KENNY FLORIAN/ MARCUS AURELIO[/quote]

You have a hell of an imagination very creative yet unrealistic. I cant believe you have Karo at #1 and im a Fan. Other than that your LW div list is a bit crooked. And Kendall Groves not even top 10 in MW. But nevertheless very creative my opinion just varies a bit.

Grove is a joke and isnt in my top 100. i know u all put franca as #1 but Penn would make him call him daddy. penn vs sherk would be a great fight. do u know how tito got the belt? he be silva so how is silva above tito. for heavy i dont care if he is in ufc yet or not but fedor is #1 heavy and no one comes close. henderson is to small for rampage. stevenson isnt even that good y do u all keep putting him in ur top 5 of lw?

HW Champ Randy Couture
1. Gabriel Gonzaga
2. Big Nog
3. Cro Cop
4. Brandon Vera
5. Tim Silvia (even though he can be boring)
On the bubble – Arlovski, Monson,

LHW Champ Rampage Jackson
1. Shogun
2. Lidell
3. Hendersen
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Rashad Evans
On the bubble – Bisbing, Griffin

MW Champ Anderson Silva
1. Rich Franklin
2. Evan Tanner
3. Nate Marquardt
4. Yushin Okami
5. Mike Swick
On the bubble – McFedries, Martin, Leben, Grove

WW Champ Matt Serra
1. Karo Parisyan
2. GSP
3. John Fitch
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Matt Hughes

LW Champ Sean Sherk
1. BJ Penn (even though he probably wont stay in LW)
2. Hermes Franca
3. Roger Huerta
4. Kenny Florian
5. Clay Guida
On the bubble – Griffing, Gullard, Lauzon, Gamburyan

Why is hendo in the lightheavyweight ranking when he was fighting wandy at 205 he couldnt make 200 he should be at 185

The ranking for light heavyweight are way off liddell should be way under henderson and shogun and in heavy weights whers fedor

Everything looks good – however I have one complaint. How can Rashad Evans be ranked a number 4 contender? I am not a Tito lover nor am I a Tito hater, but come on – who has Rashad beat other than Lambert? I know he beat Bonnar – but that was a take down/lay and pray mission from the first bell. If Rashad takes it to Tito this weekend – than that ranking is justified – but until then, I think you should have to beat a top ranked guy to get a ranking, and not have a padded unbeaten record. Good to see Huerta up on the lw list now though. Cheers all.

[quote comment="69353"]Uhhh.. Has anyone seen the ad for WEC on UFC’s web page? Anyone else find that weird?[/quote]
The WEC is owned by the same company as the UFC – but the WEC’s focus is on the lighter fighters – Bantamweight – 135 lbs. to 125 lbs – Featherweight – over 135 lbs. to 145 lbs. It’s only appropriate that they highlight the other organization to promote the lighter fighters. Cheers.

[quote comment="93807"]HW Champ Randy Couture
1. Gabriel Gonzaga
2. Big Nog
3. Cro Cop
4. Brandon Vera
5. Tim Silvia (even though he can be boring)
On the bubble – Arlovski, Monson,

LHW Champ Rampage Jackson
1. Shogun
2. Lidell
3. Hendersen
4. Wanderlei Silva
5. Rashad Evans
On the bubble – Bisbing, Griffin

MW Champ Anderson Silva
1. Rich Franklin
2. Evan Tanner
3. Nate Marquardt
4. Yushin Okami
5. Mike Swick
On the bubble – McFedries, Martin, Leben, Grove

WW Champ Matt Serra
1. Karo Parisyan
2. GSP
3. John Fitch
4. Josh Koscheck
5. Matt Hughes

LW Champ Sean Sherk
1. BJ Penn (even though he probably wont stay in LW)
2. Hermes Franca
3. Roger Huerta
4. Kenny Florian
5. Clay Guida
On the bubble – Griffing, Gullard, Lauzon, Gamburyan[/quote]

I don’t even know where to start with your rankings…in MW you’re totally missing Martin Kampmaann (unless that’s what Martin is but think you’re referring to Terry Martin) – Tyson Griffin just squeeked out a win over Guida (I think that’s who you’re referring to as Griffing – Diaz just beat Gamburyan and he’s not even there, plus Spencer Fisher should be before all you’re bubble guys – you don’t even have J Mac on your list who beat Leben and Ortiz didn’t even cut your LHW – instead you have Bisping and Griffin up there (who got ko’d in his second last fight but redeemed himself with a cautious fight against Ramirez…and Griffin lost a close one to Ortiz…man, did you pull these out of a hat??

[quote post="2256"]I don’t even know where to start with your rankings…in MW you’re totally missing Martin Kampmaann (unless that’s what Martin is but think you’re referring to Terry Martin) – Tyson Griffin just squeeked out a win over Guida (I think that’s who you’re referring to as Griffing – Diaz just beat Gamburyan and he’s not even there, plus Spencer Fisher should be before all you’re bubble guys – you don’t even have J Mac on your list who beat Leben and Ortiz didn’t even cut your LHW – instead you have Bisping and Griffin up there (who got ko’d in his second last fight but redeemed himself with a cautious fight against Ramirez…and Griffin lost a close one to Ortiz…man, did you pull these out of a hat??[/quote]

I do appreciate your critique. I put my opinion on here to be criticized. Just a couple responses though. I will agree I should have included Martin kampmann. Gamburyan was going to beat diaz I think, and I haven’t been very impressed with diaz. I did forget Jason McDonald, I would probably put him before Mike Swick. Everyone I included on my LHW list I think can beat Ortiz and I included Rashad because I think he will win on July 7th. If he loses I will gladly take him off.

[quote comment="97173"][quote post="2256"]I don’t even know where to start with your rankings…in MW you’re totally missing Martin Kampmaann (unless that’s what Martin is but think you’re referring to Terry Martin) – Tyson Griffin just squeeked out a win over Guida (I think that’s who you’re referring to as Griffing – Diaz just beat Gamburyan and he’s not even there, plus Spencer Fisher should be before all you’re bubble guys – you don’t even have J Mac on your list who beat Leben and Ortiz didn’t even cut your LHW – instead you have Bisping and Griffin up there (who got ko’d in his second last fight but redeemed himself with a cautious fight against Ramirez…and Griffin lost a close one to Ortiz…man, did you pull these out of a hat??[/quote]

I do appreciate your critique. I put my opinion on here to be criticized. Just a couple responses though. I will agree I should have included Martin kampmann. Gamburyan was going to beat diaz I think, and I haven’t been very impressed with diaz. I did forget Jason McDonald, I would probably put him before Mike Swick. Everyone I included on my LHW list I think can beat Ortiz and I included Rashad because I think he will win on July 7th. If he loses I will gladly take him off.[/quote]

Thanks for clearing it up – I still think you can’t put someone on your top fighters list because you think they can beat someone – if Rashad beats Ortiz – I will also gladly put him on mine…cheers

where the hell is diego

wheres diego?

my ideal top two in each division is sherk and penn at lightweight.hughes st pierre at welter.silva and franklin at middle .Rampage and evans at light heavy and arlovski and couture at heavy .I also have to say a big up to randy you are a living legend mate after getting badly hurt vs chuck you retired before coming back and winning gold a weight division up so randy couture i salute you

you folks are crazy to think Koscheck is all the way down to #4. That guy will be champion is short order. Dominated sanchez. Made him look like a little boy.

There’s nobody in that weight division, or for that matter, in the entire UFC that has the wrestling skills of Koscheck. And his striking skills have developed very nicely. This kid’s going to dominate that division for a long time!

i agree that kos’s wrestling is “second to none” unfortunately he is in the most stacked weight class in the ufc, i think that gsp will win despite how much i hate him because he made me cry when hughes lost. i too like kos but the weight class is extremely stacked i dont see anyone dominating it, its ironic how a bum like sera could be the champ of a weight division as talented as that. i like kos aswell but i think the belt will change hands quite a few times

Hey steve, koscheck is a great wrestler but to say he has the greatest wrestling skills in all of ufc is a bold statement. If he did actually compete for the olympics you could say that but he didnt and randy did.

These rankings are good but I want to see Vera for HW.

let’s go, it’s update time…..any word on AA, i haven’t seen anything on him in awhile……thanks

LHW Top 4
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Jackson
3. GSP
4. Arlovski

[quote comment="257372"]LHW Top 4
1. Chuck Liddell
2. Jackson
3. GSP
4. Arlovski[/quote]

Uhh, GSP is a WW and Arlovski is a HW.