So MAKE Fedor come fight in the ufc.

Why would PrideFc still exist if everyone is fighting under the UFC’s Banner??

Hendo is a Pride fighter. Rua has a contract under Zuffa. Fedor is NOT under contract, he had the “you are obligated to defend your crown” contract, not a solid contract with Pride.
No Pride fighters have really up and left, not yet. Gut feeling, all fighters from here on out will have “Zuffa” contracts, able to go back and forth. I dont think this will be, Jesse’s analogy, a WCW/WWE deal.

“Wrastling”..lol..Don’t confuse the wrestling world with the better MMA world. As if these 2 company’s Pride and the UFC would ever go down that same path.It’s stupid. …It is nice to hear that this deal is finalized. I think Zuffa is going to make things very interesting for the next 10 years! At least!
Anyone have anymore interviews of Rampage and Liddell?..I mean from after the fight, i’ve seen them. Is there anymore after that…”Cause i took this belt from *Chuck*”….

i just want to see what happens already..it does look like “Pride” guys will be able to go back and forth, but “Ufc” guys will stay here, and the Pride guys will have to challenge in the cage

side note…did anyone else laugh there ass off/ get really confused when they showed Andre Agassi at the fight…haha…the resemblence to Dana in uncanny

I venture a guess to say good-bye ring, hello octagon.

[quote comment=”68009″]i just want to see what happens already..it does look like “Pride” guys will be able to go back and forth, but “Ufc” guys will stay here, and the Pride guys will have to challenge in the cage

side note…did anyone else laugh there ass off/ get really confused when they showed Andre Agassi at the fight…haha…the resemblence to Dana in uncanny[/quote]

..The funny part about that to me was like knows what his talking about (when asked about the fight)..and right before that main event is ready to go, he starts ruffing up his girl on the low..did some1 peep that?..

[quote comment=”67971″]Why would PrideFc still exist if everyone is fighting under the UFC’s Banner??[/quote]
I was think f that myself dude. If they are bring all the top fighters to UFC then whats the point of having a serperate company and doing a Pride vs UFC.

[quote comment=”67971″]Why would PrideFc still exist if everyone is fighting under the UFC’s Banner??[/quote]
Right…You know what at this point they mine as well put everyone under UFC. There moving that direction anyways. I don’t know why they give us this hope that PRIDE actually has a chance

The United States is and always will be the defining place for the best athletes in the world. Although PRIDE and it’s fighters were successful in Japan, they now have the oppurtunity to show how great they can really be. I love what the UFC is trying to do by putting on the best fights. In the end that is really all that matters.

omg russ no! it is not! theres a whole world out there this is why people dont like americans.

[quote comment=”67969″]So MAKE Fedor come fight in the ufc.[/quote]

I dont think Fedor has a contract with Pride anymore…

He is going to end up in the UFC anyway. How could he not? His game is perfect for the Octagon.

Hopefully, they don’t hurt the quality of Pride, just for the UFC’s sake. It would be nice to see this sport be run under one international MMA league. The Pride fans have just as much to gain, if not more, from this deal as the UFC fans.

[quote comment=”68059″]omg russ no! it is not! theres a whole world out there this is why people dont like americans.[/quote]
As far as alot of major sports go he is right. Baseball MLB basketball NBA, and hell even hockey NHL, that americans dont watch. I live close to anaheim and cant even tell you who the Ducks are playin for the Stanley cup.But it is in america.we are tryin to do the same thing with the ufc,i have friends who dont even watch mma but got angry when i used to tell them that pride had the better fighters. You may not like us but goddamit you will know our sports GO DUCKS!!!

[quote comment=”68033″][quote comment=”67971″]Why would PrideFc still exist if everyone is fighting under the UFC’s Banner??[/quote]
Right…You know what at this point they mine as well put everyone under UFC. There moving that direction anyways. I don’t know why they give us this hope that PRIDE actually has a chance[/quote]

They aren’t just giving us hope, they bought the league. I highly doubt they would spend that kind of money to buy it, then set up operations over in Japan, with the intention of killing it all along.

I truly feel they are going to infuse the fighters into both arenas (Ring and Octagon) and work their asses off to get their fighters known internationally.

[quote comment=”68076″][quote comment=”68033″][quote comment=”67971″]Why would PrideFc still exist if everyone is fighting under the UFC’s Banner??[/quote]
Right…You know what at this point they mine as well put everyone under UFC. There moving that direction anyways. I don’t know why they give us this hope that PRIDE actually has a chance[/quote]

They aren’t just giving us hope, they bought the league. I highly doubt they would spend that kind of money to buy it, then set up operations over in Japan, with the intention of killing it all along.

I truly feel they are going to infuse the fighters into both arenas (Ring and Octagon) and work their asses off to get their fighters known internationally.[/quote]
and bringin pride fighters into the UFC is one of the best way to get the american public familiar with the pride organization.Maybe it can translate into more pride ppv buys

[quote post=”2252″]Although PRIDE and it’s fighters were successful in Japan, they now have the oppurtunity to show how great they can really be.[/quote]
Right, 2 belts down, 3 to go.

[quote comment=”68018″]I venture a guess to say good-bye ring, hello octagon.[/quote]
The first “cage” event was just held in Japan this past week. It didnt go over well. To the Japanese, the ring is for Bushido, the cage is for animals.

[quote comment=”68080″][quote post=”2252″]Although PRIDE and it’s fighters were successful in Japan, they now have the oppurtunity to show how great they can really be.[/quote]
Right, 2 belts down, 3 to go.[/quote]

ok so be fair, Nick diaz should have their lightweight belt, so one down and 3 to go….

[quote comment=”68088″][quote comment=”68080″][quote post=”2252″]Although PRIDE and it’s fighters were successful in Japan, they now have the oppurtunity to show how great they can really be.[/quote]
Right, 2 belts down, 3 to go.[/quote]

ok so be fair, Nick diaz should have their lightweight belt, so one down and 3 to go….[/quote]

Clearly, you arent aware that Nick Diaz smoked pot, which obviously gave him super-human strength. Thats why he won that fight. They should let both of them smoke before the next one.

I think they are just trying to educate the North American public and casual fans (like me) as to who these Pride fighters are. No casual fans are going to buy into the Superbowl of MMA concept if they have no idea who these guys are.

[quote post=”2252″] AWT
May 29th, 2007 at 11:43 am Quote this comment
omg russ no! it is not! theres a whole world out there this is why people dont like americans. [/quote]

This has nothing to do with me being an American. I understand that there is a whole world out there full of athletes. The U.S. is simply the largest media market in the world. Alot of people do not know who the hell Shogun is and the talent that he has. Now that he will be fighting in the UFC (The United States) he can cement his status as a great fighter. Thats just one example among hundreds. You can use any sport. Look at Dirk Nowitzki in the NBA. He is the MVP in the highest competitive league in his sport. Now if he just stayed in Germany and only played there…I gauruntee you that you would never know who he was or how good a of a player he is.

Oh, you guys know I dont buy into the Pride/UFC crap. I just thought that was a great comeback to someone who does.

touche bloodymess…..all this rivalry stuff is stupid, if they fight for the ufc, they are ufc fighters…and if you want to be technical..it would be more like WFA has 1 belt (since that is where rampage was under contract last), plus Anderson Silva had 4 fights in other orgs before fighting in the ufc and after fighting only 4 fights in Pride (while also fighting in other orgs at the time)….

C’mon, when r we gonna see Josh barnett and Fedor in the UFC !!

[quote post=”2252″]As far as alot of major sports go he is right. Baseball MLB basketball NBA, and hell even hockey NHL, that americans dont watch. I live close to anaheim and cant even tell you who the Ducks are playin for the Stanley cup.But it is in america.we are tryin to do the same thing with the ufc,i have friends who dont even watch mma but got angry when i used to tell them that pride had the better fighters. You may not like us but goddamit you will know our sports GO DUCKS!!! [/quote]

I do completely understand what you are talkin about…But..There is no argument that the best competition is in the united states…The only problem i have with that is that i got the impression that you were saying that the best athletes are american because that would be very incorrect..Just wanted to clarify..

[quote post=”2252″]I venture a guess to say good-bye ring, hello octagon.[/quote]
[quote post=”2252″]The first “cage” event was just held in Japan this past week. It didnt go over well. To the Japanese, the ring is for Bushido, the cage is for animals. [/quote]
I prefer the cage. The ring will survive only as long as the Pride name, which may not be long with the UFC going international.

[quote post=”2252″]This has nothing to do with me being an American. I understand that there is a whole world out there full of athletes. The U.S. is simply the largest media market in the world. Alot of people do not know who the hell Shogun is and the talent that he has. Now that he will be fighting in the UFC (The United States) he can cement his status as a great fighter. Thats just one example among hundreds. You can use any sport. Look at Dirk Nowitzki in the NBA. He is the MVP in the highest competitive league in his sport. Now if he just stayed in Germany and only played there…I gauruntee you that you would never know who he was or how good a of a player he is. [/quote]

Well said my good chap..well said indeed..

Screw this two organization bull crap and going back and forth nonsense. Make one the “Pro Leagues” and the other one like the WEC. PUT ALL THE BEST IN ONE WHERE THEY CAN COMPETE AND WE WILL KNOW WHO IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.
I hope this is the direction it is heading. All the best will soon be in UFC.

[quote comment=”68059″]omg russ no! it is not! theres a whole world out there this is why people dont like americans.[/quote]
We’re gonna see more badass bruthas come out of the ghetto, get paid to lay a beat down and be world champs. The americans will win more than their share but it won’t be Brad or Chad from the suburbs.

the only way to settle things permanantly is to have a tournament for the top 20 in each weight class ALA 1 definite champion [undisputed]in each division????cmon dana every sport has definite champions the u.f.c/needs only this then we are in a perfect world

[quote comment=”68199″]Screw this two organization bull crap and going back and forth nonsense. Make one the “Pro Leagues” and the other one like the WEC. PUT ALL THE BEST IN ONE WHERE THEY CAN COMPETE AND WE WILL KNOW WHO IS THE BEST OF THE BEST.
I hope this is the direction it is heading. All the best will soon be in UFC.[/quote]
There are so many organizations out there right now. Take two washed up fighters, rent a site with a ring, incorporate with a three letter acronym. Make millions!

They couldn’t buy them all up fast enough even if they wanted to.

[quote comment=”68205″]the only way to settle things permanantly is to have a tournament for the top 20 in each weight class ALA 1 definite champion [undisputed]in each division????cmon dana every sport has definite champions the u.f.c/needs only this then we are in a perfect world[/quote]
That’s why (hopefully) there putting all the best in the UFC.

[quote comment=”68130″]C’mon, when r we gonna see Josh barnett and Fedor in the UFC !![/quote]
I like both of those guys. I’d like to see Barnett against RC. Barnett is very good on the ground and he can stand up and throw some too. I just saw his second fight with Noguira earlier today. Went to Nog but it was damn close. I think RC’s biggest edge- and perhaps only- would be in conditioning.
Barnett just slowly gets it done out there.

Shoot, what about Mark Coleman too? I don’t know if they test for steroids in Pride. That dude is ripped. Bob Sapp used to fight in Pride and you can’t tell me he wasn’t oozing banned substances… 6′5″ and 375 lbs of solid muscle? What a monster that guy was.

[quote comment=”68096″]I think they are just trying to educate the North American public and casual fans (like me) as to who these Pride fighters are. No casual fans are going to buy into the Superbowl of MMA concept if they have no idea who these guys are.[/quote]
I ignored Pride at first but they really do have some phenominal guys. Makes you wonder ‘what if’. ESPN or Comcast Sports carries an hour long Pride show usually later at night.

[quote comment=”68241″][quote comment=”68130″]C’mon, when r we gonna see Josh barnett and Fedor in the UFC !![/quote]
I like both of those guys. I’d like to see Barnett against RC. Barnett is very good on the ground and he can stand up and throw some too. I just saw his second fight with Noguira earlier today. Went to Nog but it was damn close. I think RC’s biggest edge- and perhaps only- would be in conditioning.
Barnett just slowly gets it done out there.

Shoot, what about Mark Coleman too? I don’t know if they test for steroids in Pride. That dude is ripped. Bob Sapp used to fight in Pride and you can’t tell me he wasn’t oozing banned substances… 6′5″ and 375 lbs of solid muscle? What a monster that guy was.[/quote]

Dude Barnett and RC fought while back. Barnett is the reason Couture left to LH. His conditioning couldnt match up, while he would do just fine if not win the earlier man, grappling such an acomplished and bigger grappler, as Randy said, would gas him and in the later rounds he was toast.

[quote post=”2252″]fine if not win the earlier man*,[/quote]

Rounds*

By the way, staying on topic, I’m glad they went through with the purchase and weren’t playing games. UFC/PrideFC is now the NFL of MMA.

[quote comment=”68250″][quote comment=”68241″][quote comment=”68130″]C’mon, when r we gonna see Josh barnett and Fedor in the UFC !![/quote]
I like both of those guys. I’d like to see Barnett against RC. Barnett is very good on the ground and he can stand up and throw some too. I just saw his second fight with Noguira earlier today. Went to Nog but it was damn close. I think RC’s biggest edge- and perhaps only- would be in conditioning.
Barnett just slowly gets it done out there.

Shoot, what about Mark Coleman too? I don’t know if they test for steroids in Pride. That dude is ripped. Bob Sapp used to fight in Pride and you can’t tell me he wasn’t oozing banned substances… 6′5″ and 375 lbs of solid muscle? What a monster that guy was.[/quote]

Dude Barnett and RC fought while back. Barnett is the reason Couture left to LH. His conditioning couldnt match up, while he would do just fine if not win the earlier man, grappling such an acomplished and bigger grappler, as Randy said, would gas him and in the later rounds he was toast.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll dig around and try to find that one.

[quote comment=”68255″][quote comment=”68250″][quote comment=”68241″][quote comment=”68130″]C’mon, when r we gonna see Josh barnett and Fedor in the UFC !![/quote]
I like both of those guys. I’d like to see Barnett against RC. Barnett is very good on the ground and he can stand up and throw some too. I just saw his second fight with Noguira earlier today. Went to Nog but it was damn close. I think RC’s biggest edge- and perhaps only- would be in conditioning.
Barnett just slowly gets it done out there.

Shoot, what about Mark Coleman too? I don’t know if they test for steroids in Pride. That dude is ripped. Bob Sapp used to fight in Pride and you can’t tell me he wasn’t oozing banned substances… 6′5″ and 375 lbs of solid muscle? What a monster that guy was.[/quote]

Dude Barnett and RC fought while back. Barnett is the reason Couture left to LH. His conditioning couldnt match up, while he would do just fine if not win the earlier man, grappling such an acomplished and bigger grappler, as Randy said, would gas him and in the later rounds he was toast.[/quote]
Thanks, I’ll dig around and try to find that one.[/quote]

The Ricco Rodriguez fight went a similar way; I was glad to see Randy whip Sylvia, but it will be interesting to see if you will still struggle with big, strong heavyweights with a ground game.

If RC will struggle, that is

I’m curious to know what will be the end result of PRIDE

Ring vs Octagon

Just watched “Pride: Decade” and it was amazing, although it was clearly made specifically for the North American audience. Not one interview with a Japanese fighter.

At Pride 1, the Rickson Gracie/Takada fight was considered the launching point for the organization’s success, especially cuz Gracie won. I found it hysterical that within the first 90 seconds of this legendary, important fight there was a minor controversy with the ROPES.

Gracie had Takada in a submision and the ref stopped them and made them start over because they were touching the ropes. Gracie’s reaction was priceless, he went “what” with such indignation. But he showed class, accepted the re-start and beat Takada.

The ropes caused major problems in the first Pride event.

Another argument for the benefits of the OCTAGON over the effin ring.

[quote post=”2252″]I prefer the cage. The ring will survive only as long as the Pride name, which may not be long with the UFC going international. [/quote]
Um, most of the rest of the world fights in a ring.

The Cage lessens the importance of BJJ or JJ. It makes GnP wrestlers more dominant, it accentuates the top position away from what true MMA is all about that no position is dominant, it gives lower quality strikers a greater chance as they cant be cut off as easily, you can run and hide easier ( AA comes to mind, the pussy ), and the aggressor is penalized as there is no corner to put a weaker opponent into.

And what were the advantages to the cage again? Someone post them, since you obviously love GnP wrestlers with no other skills. I bet your a Kos or Randy fan. Sorry guys, but RC wouldnt have lasted longer than Coleman would have against top flight Pride guys in a ring.

[quote comment=”68436″][quote post=”2252″]I prefer the cage. The ring will survive only as long as the Pride name, which may not be long with the UFC going international. [/quote]
Um, most of the rest of the world fights in a ring.

The Cage lessens the importance of BJJ or JJ. It makes GnP wrestlers more dominant, it accentuates the top position away from what true MMA is all about that no position is dominant, it gives lower quality strikers a greater chance as they cant be cut off as easily, you can run and hide easier ( AA comes to mind, the pussy ), and the aggressor is penalized as there is no corner to put a weaker opponent into.

And what were the advantages to the cage again? Someone post them, since you obviously love GnP wrestlers with no other skills. I bet your a Kos or Randy fan. Sorry guys, but RC wouldnt have lasted longer than Coleman would have against top flight Pride guys in a ring.[/quote]

hmmmmmm, im on the divider on this one. First off I would like to say AA does not run away, for one, it was just that one fight with Werdum, the punishment does not fith the crime, and Werdum is just as at fault as AA is.

Here is what it come down to in my mind, MMA is the art of combat, a one on one fight, ok? Ok, so its goal is to the closest we can, simulate that situation.
The cage, well no arguing it does in fact allow a bit more area to run and hide, and the ring does without a boundry to push somebody up against for GnP’ers, imploys more BJJ. However, this is not ADCC, or some game, its a fight, as far as fight scenarious one my encounter his opponent in, I believe the cage simulates that better, one is more likely to find themselves with a wall type barrier someone might push you up against, than you are 4 ropes, at which point someone resets you to where you started. And in a real fight, as far as the standing goes, one would in reality most likely have all kinds of room to manuver or stall. I like it, it dosnt take a huge amount away from a good BJJ guy, just look at a pressed up BJ Penn under a Matt Hughes. BJ took his back.
This goes to show what you were saying about no dominant positions, however i think better worded is that every position can be dangerous, however, there are cleary positions more favorable/dominant than others.

[quote comment=”68371″]I’m curious to know what will be the end result of PRIDE[/quote]
I hope it stays and starts to be the company it was. I’v seen alot of amazing fights from Pride and it would be a shame if it just fizzels out.

Sorry, MorethanUFC, but The Anomaly is completely correct. You make a big deal about how the ring is about making every position fair; tough breaks. What you are really saying is you want BJJ guys to not be taken advantage of by getting pressed up against the cage, but fighting has never been about fairness. Thats why you don’t see tae kwon do in MMA. Interesting style, doesn’t work in MMA. Likewise, BJJ is a very useful style, but when people know how to defend subs, it becomes less useful. And being pressed up against a fence and having plenty of room to move around while standing is a much more accurate representation of real world fighting than a ring, which is a completely artificial fighting arena.

[quote comment=”68504″]Sorry, MorethanUFC, but The Anomaly is completely correct. You make a big deal about how the ring is about making every position fair; tough breaks. What you are really saying is you want BJJ guys to not be taken advantage of by getting pressed up against the cage, but fighting has never been about fairness. Thats why you don’t see tae kwon do in MMA. Interesting style, doesn’t work in MMA. Likewise, BJJ is a very useful style, but when people know how to defend subs, it becomes less useful. And being pressed up against a fence and having plenty of room to move around while standing is a much more accurate representation of real world fighting than a ring, which is a completely artificial fighting arena.[/quote]
Thanks for the back up. Its not that it’s really about fairness though, I mean, it is fair still, nobody has any advantage that another fighter dosnt have. It simply puts the most realistic amount of practicallity on each style of fighting in my opinion. And even with teh cage, BJJ is still arguably the most usefull and practical arts that there is. Nothing like a good BJJ war.

[quote post=”2252″]much more accurate representation of real world fighting than a ring[/quote]
Dude, this a sport. It’s about as close to real world fighting is as paintball is to real combat.
To defend against a RNC in MMA your grab for wrists. In the real world, you reach back and rip your attackers ear off. On the bottom in MMA, you attempt to get full guard, then rubber or wrist pin. In the real world, you reach up and drive your thumb or index/middle fingers into his eye socket.

KRAV MAGA!!!

[quote comment=”69049″][quote post=”2252″]much more accurate representation of real world fighting than a ring[/quote]
Dude, this a sport. It’s about as close to real world fighting is as paintball is to real combat.
To defend against a RNC in MMA your grab for wrists. In the real world, you reach back and rip your attackers ear off. On the bottom in MMA, you attempt to get full guard, then rubber or wrist pin. In the real world, you reach up and drive your thumb or index/middle fingers into his eye socket.

KRAV MAGA!!![/quote]
That KRAV MAGA BS. haha no I know what your sayin. But when you think about it majority of the time, people kinda have a normal sense of decensy not to do that in a fight, at least guys, if anything, out of pride.

[quote post=”2252″]That KRAV MAGA BS. haha no I know what your sayin. But when you think about it majority of the time, people kinda have a normal sense of decensy not to do that in a fight, at least guys, if anything, out of pride. [/quote]
There is no such thing as decency in combat. You have no idea what your opponent is capable of, so you end it as quickly as possible. Ideally, you dont wanna kill someone, so when I train, I heavily focus on chokes, liver-solar plexis-knees-toes as strike points, and controlling locks such as kimuras, hammer locks, leg kimuras. BUT, everything is in play. Seriously, I abhor violence. Fighting is for f%gs as I always say, but you must always prepare yourself for every possibility.

KRAV MAGA!!!!

[quote comment=”69060″][quote post=”2252″]That KRAV MAGA BS. haha no I know what your sayin. But when you think about it majority of the time, people kinda have a normal sense of decensy not to do that in a fight, at least guys, if anything, out of pride. [/quote]
There is no such thing as decency in combat. You have no idea what your opponent is capable of, so you end it as quickly as possible. Ideally, you dont wanna kill someone, so when I train, I heavily focus on chokes, liver-solar plexis-knees-toes as strike points, and controlling locks such as kimuras, hammer locks, leg kimuras. BUT, everything is in play. Seriously, I abhor violence. Fighting is for f%gs as I always say, but you must always prepare yourself for every possibility.

KRAV MAGA!!!![/quote]

Word, MMA and training is a descent way of preparing yourself for such. Im just talking about your average conflict, like Noah and that other fool. Could you imagine if they started gouging eyes and grapping tracheas?

KRAV MAGA!!!!!!!

Just kidding

[quote comment=”68106″][quote post=”2252″] AWT
May 29th, 2007 at 11:43 am Quote this comment
omg russ no! it is not! theres a whole world out there this is why people dont like americans. [/quote]

This has nothing to do with me being an American. I understand that there is a whole world out there full of athletes. The U.S. is simply the largest media market in the world. Alot of people do not know who the hell Shogun is and the talent that he has. Now that he will be fighting in the UFC (The United States) he can cement his status as a great fighter. Thats just one example among hundreds. You can use any sport. Look at Dirk Nowitzki in the NBA. He is the MVP in the highest competitive league in his sport. Now if he just stayed in Germany and only played there…I gauruntee you that you would never know who he was or how good a of a player he is.[/quote]
Wow, it’s amazing that anyone even knew who David Beckham was!

[quote comment=”68054″]The United States is and always will be the defining place for the best athletes in the world. Although PRIDE and it’s fighters were successful in Japan, they now have the oppurtunity to show how great they can really be. I love what the UFC is trying to do by putting on the best fights. In the end that is really all that matters.[/quote]
I dont think USA is the defining place for the best athletes in the world. Maybe your talking about track and field. Remember this freind that JAPAN is the mother land of martial arts.