Chuck Liddell party ufc 71
What happens in Vegas, stays in Vegas.

And from these pics (1), (2), it looks like Chuck Liddell stays in Vegas - even if he’s fighting the next day.

Our comrades over at UFCcountdown are uncovering multiple reports of the former light heavyweight champion club-hopping as early as Sunday the 20th and as late as Friday the 25th.

And somewhere in between those two dates the shutterbugs from Spy on Vegas show Liddell getting all touchy-feely at clubs like Body English and Jet.

Not exactly the kind of regiment that prepares you for the biggest fight of your career.

Many UFC fans were vocal about the appearance of a tired and bloated Liddell at the weigh-ins for UFC 71 last Friday night.

In fairness to Chuck, his prodigious girth is hardly news. While I’d love to have my beer gut be as taut as the Iceman’s, at Friday’s weigh-in it looked unusually pronounced.

The nightlife, along with his recent run as MMA’s media darling, could have shortchanged him - in every sense of the word.

The loss to Rampage cost him a victory bonus in the range of $500,000.

Worse than that, his less than stellar performance may have shortchanged some of his fans.

The cost of that could be immeasurable.

May 29th, 2007    

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Comment by jason bang
2007-05-29 13:01:55

The fight didn’t even get past the twom minute mark so it is hard to see if the partying had any effect, but the fact is Chuck got caught by a massive right hook and there was know way he was coming back from that.

 
Comment by Jeff
2007-05-29 13:07:58

Club hopping and all that didn’t cause Chuck to lose to Rampage, if you really thought Chuck was going to beat Rampage then you should have done your homework. It certainly didn’t help but it didn’t change the inevitable outcome. Rampage is simply a terrible matchup for Chuck and has now proven that twice, just like Chuck is a bad matchup for Tito. Rampage has an excellent chin, not Mark Hunt caliber but still very good, and overall pretty good boxing defense for an MMA fighter. He also makes Chuck fight his fight whereas Chuck likes to counter punch Rampage forces him to press the action more than Chuck would like.

Personally I really hope the rumors of Chuck vs Wanderlei come to fruition because that is a matchup we’ve all been waiting far too long for.

 
Comment by KO Hex
2007-05-29 13:08:36

I agree w/you Jason. That massive right hook was obviously the key to Rampage’s victory. But another thing is,Liddell doesnt go to sleep till around 3am anyway thats according to SI.com’s article it did about a month ago. but anyway,im glad chuck got his ass kicked.

 
Comment by SaVaGe
2007-05-29 13:08:49

I agree with jason to a point…If Chuck had gassed, there would be alot of talk about partying. Chuck has a history of lapses in training…even for the big fights. On the other hand, I think Chuck did not prepare mentally for the fight. Rampage looked ready, Chuck did not.

 
Comment by Russ
2007-05-29 13:08:58

He just looked slow to me. Rampage has his number Just like Chuck has Tito’s.

 
Comment by TRavis
2007-05-29 13:12:51

No amount of training can prevent that….. When you don’t see the big right hook from a weird angle there is nothing you can do. Chuch didn’t short change his fans! I am still a fan, but I can see rampage holding the title a while, and I think chuck will hold it again too. So much new talent is coming in though who knows. Look at the rookie Houston Alexander. That dude throws bricks!

 
Comment by MoreThanUFC
2007-05-29 13:14:48

Way to go champ… oh, I’m sorry.

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 13:23:23

Maybe Chuck being on the sports illustrated cover and on Entourage the show, as well as countless late night tv appearances on show like Jay Leno has gotten to his head. He was bosted as the poster boy of the UFC. Hopefully this will only make him work extra hard and come out of the gates again flying. Or maybe Rampage was in his head the whole time. When he was walking into the ring and during the stare down, Chuck had a wide eyed look on his face like he was going to the death chamber or something. I have never seen Chuck look like that before, not for tito or randy. Fighters are normal people and maybe Chuck knew in the back of his head that he was going to loose and was scared to fight. Noone can say that Chuck wasn’t scared because noone is Chuck, only he can tell you that but I doubt he ever will. Maybe he was also getting his last week of partying in because he knew after sat. he would not be the top man in the UFC anymore.

 
Comment by Will
2007-05-29 13:34:33

[quote comment=”68137″]He just looked slow to me.[/quote]
I agree. I watched his 3 fights previous to this one and that didn’t even look like the same guy. I knew he was in trouble when he threw a leg kick first thing and it hit Rampage’s ankle. Granted, he showed the exact same stance and style, he just looked A LOT slower. I think his time has come.

 
Comment by Eric Schafer
2007-05-29 13:36:02

To be fair, he was out every night before his last 2 fights too (Babalu and Tito) and kicked ass. I saw him out, because I was out too. Personally I wanted to set my biological clock to have fight time being midday. So I would rather stare at hot chicks from 12-2am than sit in my room and worry about the fight. If you are not drinking, then I do not see the dfference…

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 13:39:33

It’s about time UFC cans get exposed. UFC had no quality fighters ever since late 1990’s when they all left to Pride. I hated how Dana White kept the word ‘pride’ from being mentioned ever in his venues. All other organizations has no problem saying Pride was the top of the sport.

The only way Dana White and his crooneys could do was to fake it through by pretending B class fighters were ‘world’ champions.

What would have been a filler show at Pride events was billed as the main event in UFC. RIP Pride, we will never forget you.

 
Comment by Rob
2007-05-29 13:45:56

I’m a fan of both, but I’m pretty disappointed in chuck for partying too close to a fight. It might help him relax a little, everybody’s different, but he didn’t look like himself. The pressure must have been enormous - finally getting that chance to avenge his last loss. A champ who retires with no unavenged losses would be great. Now he might not have the chance to fight Rampage again before he gets too old, especially if his next opponent is wand.

Rampage looked great. Fast, very technical. Chuck didn’t even really hit him. Well there was only like 3 exchanges in total. Amazing ending though, blocked a body punch and follows up with a brutal right hook, very good counter. He performed well, even though he looked nervous as hell before the fight.

 
Comment by Matt
2007-05-29 13:48:49

Being slow had nothing to do with it. He didn’t setup that left to the body and it left him completely unprotected. Very decision, even his trainer said that. He knew better. I think he was too confident and didn’t believe anyone could knock him out. Guess he was wrong. I think read somewhere even a mediocre boxer would have KO’ed him, he was sooo wide open.

Matt

 
Comment by LongIslandguy
2007-05-29 13:55:13

if anything he had less muscle mass, his stomach has kinda always had a buldge to it.. but i dont think that isthe reason, when u get caught u get caught.. even if ur the iceman

 
Comment by Luppers
2007-05-29 13:56:23

Watching that fight… he definitely wasnt there to fight. Maybe loosing 500g will get him focused enough to go back at it.

 
Comment by MMA Dude
2007-05-29 14:03:08

agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs

 
Comment by nathan
2007-05-29 14:16:11

Bottom line Rampage really payed his dues, and worked his ass off for this, he was saying he was sparring with guys much better than him and they were frustrating the hell out of him, it payed off. Chuck has been champ for too long, partied a little too hard and I feel was too over confident. I hope Chuck comes back better than ever and this embarrassing loss lights a fire under his ass, but somehow I think its going to be all down hill from here.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 14:17:25

[quote comment=”68190″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs[/quote]
You just saved me alot of time in having to write that myself. Right on bro.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 14:19:30

Chuck would not have beaten Rampage anyway. It is not a “he has Chucks number” so much as I just think Rampage is superior fighter/striker. Period. As Machine said perfectly, Chuck is arguable the hardest hitter with teh heavy-est hands, but a great striker, starting to wonder….

 
Comment by Mr. mayn
2007-05-29 14:24:36

[quote post=”2253″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 14:30:52

[quote comment=”68190″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs[/quote]
[quote comment=”68211″]

argument with supporting evidence.

[quote post=”2253″]……by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??[/quote]

Some Random unsupported claims.
Another B class UFC fighter would be Jeff Monson.
Any Questions?

 
Comment by DanaBlk
2007-05-29 14:38:51

Chuck style of fighting against Rampage was all wrong, back pedaling, circling around and throwing a jab, and an outside body shot. Only way to beat Rampage is to follow Wandis and Shogans tactics, you need to stand in front of Rampage, throw punches in bunches, make him cover up, then clinch and throw mad knees and kicks. Chuck old style if fighting is not going to effect Rampage even if they meet again, his right hand is not going to take him out unless he can connect and he won’t connect Rampage is too good for that. I hope Chuck will adjust his fighting style against Silva, otherwise he is going home in a body bag.

 
Comment by MMA Dude
2007-05-29 14:41:17

yeah i have a couple…
wandi lost to tito??
if cc is A, where is gonzaga?
Babalu should be up there somewhere since he has Shoguns only loss.
Hendo/Liddell are A fighters on account of fighting whenever and whoever possible….can you say the same for Fedor??
How naive can you possibly be…all of these guys are A fighters….if this is indeed a grading system, there are enough fighters out there for everyone of these guys to be in top 10% in the world…if you dont see that I cant help you…now if you can get it through your head that both orgs had top competition and within each org different fighters match up differently with others…no one org was etter, only now UFC is by far better…also, if you think Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are B level fighter, then you know nothing about mma

 
Comment by FightFan51
2007-05-29 14:43:16

[quote comment=”68211″][quote post=”2253″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??[/quote]

I agree with that… although I would put Randy in Class A. As well as Dan Henderson. And when Tito loses to Rashad… hes droppin to class C

 
Comment by Vee
2007-05-29 14:43:56

As far as the fight is concerned, Liddell did take a risk with the body shot and simply got caught. Yeah, his trainer spelled it out and I’m sure Liddell is aware of his mistake, especially after reviewing the footage. He’s a fighter, fighters take risks.

Liddell looked more relaxed and confident than Rampage in my opinion. Rampage appeared focused, very aware of the media frenzy and the impact of the fight. Liddell was not fazed one bit. It doesn’t matter, people will perceive what they will, especially now that the fight is over. He’s partied in the past leading into a fight, did that factor into his victories?

Nah.

 
Comment by TM
2007-05-29 14:49:07

I was at the fight and honestly I thought Chuck looked like he was going to slaughter Rampage and i was routing for Rampage. I like them both but Rampage just cracks me up and so I was pulling for him.

Entering the fight Rampage looked dry and like he was drugged and conversely Chuck looked absolutely on FIRE during the entered time leading up to the bell ringing. From that point on Rampage looked like he was coming to take what he believed to be his and Chuck was on the defensive. We all know Chuck is a counter puncher but in this case Rampage was the counter puncher and man was it some punch. It was a good live show but honestly way too expensive for what you get (more on that later). Also I’m not sure if this was on TV or not but Chuck was so pissed after the fight that he came back into the ring and wanted it get it on again. Not until Dana stepped in and put him in his place did chuck finally calm down and accept his loss.

On the live show, I can’t believe so many people paid as much as they did for seats. I happened to score some $500/ea tickets for half off, which still seemed expensive to me and I make a good amount of money at what I do. In my opinion the show is 10 times better with a DVR. Our seats were good but the fighters still looked small and were blocked by the TV camera and the ref half the time. I’m not sure how this will pan out but I sure hope the prices get back to a reasonable price in the years to come. I will not be attending another live UFC anytime soon.

TM

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 14:52:54

[quote comment=”68225″]yeah i have a couple…
wandi lost to tito??
if cc is A, where is gonzaga?
Babalu should be up there somewhere since he has Shoguns only loss.
Hendo/Liddell are A fighters on account of fighting whenever and whoever possible….can you say the same for Fedor??
How naive can you possibly be…all of these guys are A fighters….if this is indeed a grading system, there are enough fighters out there for everyone of these guys to be in top 10% in the world…if you dont see that I cant help you…now if you can get it through your head that both orgs had top competition and within each org different fighters match up differently with others…no one org was etter, only now UFC is by far better…also, if you think Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are B level fighter, then you know nothing about mma[/quote]
Agree with every word man. I think my other quote-happy post was a little confusing. I was supporting your other post as a legit argument with supporting evidance. While that thing about the a and b class fighters that guy put up was just some bogus claims with nothing to back it up. Just to clear things up.

 
Comment by SaVaGe
2007-05-29 15:10:25

[quote post=”2253″]Chuck has been champ for too long, partied a little too hard and I feel was too over confident. I hope Chuck comes back better than ever and this embarrassing loss lights a fire under his ass, but somehow I think its going to be all down hill from here. [/quote]
I agree with Nathan….did I just say that? I always respect your opinions, but you are right on the money with this one. Dana already said Chuck has lost to Rampage twice and he needs to get a couple of wins to get another shot at the title. Chuck would have to win at least two, one easy and a setup fight with a worthy opponent. If you look at 205, who would that second fight be? Without messing up Chuck’s road back and UFC plans for Rashad or Bisbing, this division is a tough place to make your mark. For instance, pick a fighter that has more than 15 wins…Possible scenario might be Babalu getting his revenge or give Lambert a crack at him. Maybe Travis Wiuff? The rest of the division will be hands off or just not enough of a test to warrant a title shot. Gouoviea? Sakara? even Machida? is not enough of a test, and fights with Jardine, Forrest, Salmon (LOL) would be no-win wins and career ending losses. Chuck is going to have to face the loser of Hendo/Rampage or Shogun to get that shot again, and I don’t see him winning.

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 15:12:02

You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.

 
Comment by Hoodlum
2007-05-29 15:18:47

Oi!

Pride has some good fighters yes, but I think several people pointed out, they don’t seem to have a lot of good fighters. Whereas the UFC may not have “THE BEST” they have very deep divisions with a lot of A class talent.

I’ll believe Pride was better than UFC when Gomi beats Hughes or Sherk (Never happen in 1 million tries), Matt Serra beat Gomi at ADCC btw. When Anderson Silva defends his belt against people like Marquat, Tanner, ect. When Rampage defends his belt against people like… oh wait Pride dominates 205 now, Ok I’ll give you 205. Fedor beats AA, Sylvia and Couture.

Otherwise, it’s all speculation. Atleast it’s going to happen all in the next couple of years.

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 15:21:02

Love him or hate him. U cant blame Chuck for having a good time, beside he is probably tired of the belt anyways. He probably got to confident on himself. Being in the magazine, interviews, newspaper, etc.. I would be to if i was famous.

 
Comment by LongIslandguy
2007-05-29 15:28:28

Baroni ? did u actually waste space to put his name there.. thats crazy

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 15:37:42

Ok, i apologize for including baroni. but you gotta say, he’s the new york bad ass.

 
Comment by nvandy89
2007-05-29 15:37:43

[quote comment=”68261″] Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters.[/quote]

Liddell (3), Ortiz, Belfort (3), Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez (at his peak), Pedro Rizzo (2), Tim Sylvia, Jeremy Horn

 
Comment by Common Sense
2007-05-29 15:41:05

Romo Gracie….Can I sub-respond before you finsh?

You’re an idiot.

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 15:41:16

[quote comment=”68282″][quote comment=”68261″] Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters.[/quote]

Liddell (3), Ortiz, Belfort (3), Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez (at his peak), Pedro Rizzo (2), Tim Sylvia, Jeremy Horn[/quote]

Exactly, like I said, Randy never fought A level fighters. Even tho he is technically A class.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 15:41:21

[quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

For one, most of those guys are in UFC now anyway, Sakuraba is in there, but Randy is almost not? Ah man I don’t even know what to say. I think your logic is way off man. For one, lets see Henderson defend his belt against anybody legit. I have been saying he is the top 185′er, but come to think of it, who does pride have at 185 besides Henderson?
And GSP wasnt even in there? Matt Hughes is def A level. The most dominant Champ, PERIOD of any weight class so far. Does Fedor even have as many defenses as Hughes yet? It’s just off man.
I dub this…..skecthy.

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 15:45:40

[quote comment=”68286″][quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

For one, most of those guys are in UFC now anyway, Sakuraba is in there, but Randy is almost not? Ah man I don’t even know what to say. I think your logic is way off man. For one, lets see Henderson defend his belt against anybody legit. I have been saying he is the top 185′er, but come to think of it, who does pride have at 185 besides Henderson?
And GSP wasnt even in there? Matt Hughes is def A level. The most dominant Champ, PERIOD of any weight class so far. Does Fedor even have as many defenses as Hughes yet? It’s just off man.
I dub this…..skecthy.[/quote]

Who ever name all this rank fighters. U are gay and no class what so ever. 1st of all u name all the people in pride in A class. 2nd of all u did no put GSP in the rank and u put rich franklin in the B class u are insane my friend.

 
Comment by GasManShad
2007-05-29 15:47:54

[quote comment=”68169″]It’s about time UFC cans get exposed. UFC had no quality fighters ever since late 1990’s when they all left to Pride. I hated how Dana White kept the word ‘pride’ from being mentioned ever in his venues. All other organizations has no problem saying Pride was the top of the sport.

The only way Dana White and his crooneys could do was to fake it through by pretending B class fighters were ‘world’ champions.

What would have been a filler show at Pride events was billed as the main event in UFC. RIP Pride, we will never forget you.[/quote]
uhhhhhh….

chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring

im not calling pride weak. i think superbowl events would have been pretty close, but im tired of all the PRIDE was a 100 times better than the ufc comments

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 15:48:39

People have to know Fedor is several leagues above any humans in the game right now. GSP is A level. Hughes is widely promoted by UFC because he draws the demographics that is going to buy Xyience. And much like Liddell and Franklin, are B level fighters. Maybe lower.

 
Comment by MMA Dude
2007-05-29 15:52:32

jesus Romo Gracie are you serious with that list….im not gonna waste my time…but if you think that the only A level fighters are from pride, then go to pridemania…i guess they just call that sherdog…or go back and actually watch fights in Pride and tell me if you actually think they are that much more superior than the ufc….by the way when you go buy the pride dvds, the ufc is getting your money…

well i tried not too but i have to…Randleman is a B fighter (zero skills but great power)????a B fighter would be someone right now like Wilson Gouvie…with great skills and could leg kick Randleman into submission…all your doing is listing names, with no reasoning behind them, your a listers are Pride guys and maybe randy couture, and then you have two list of B fighters in which you have Matt hughes on the same list as Baroni, Randleman and fucking MINOWA

 
Comment by WADZ
2007-05-29 15:55:06

[quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

This must be a joke! Lidell will never be a b-class fighter. Love him or hate him, Hughes has never been a b-class fighter and even insinuating Couture is a b-class fighter shows your ignorance. The guy’s faught anyone and everyone (no padded record)…I could go on, but your pride bias is a joke. How can Randleman even crack this conversation? Baroni, ‘Sakoujou’ (he’s good, but has room to grow), etc ??? The jury is out regarding whether Wanderlei is a-level anymore.

Thanks for the laugh…

 
Comment by MMA Dude
2007-05-29 15:55:14

with you gasman

 
Comment by GasManShad
2007-05-29 15:55:28

and….

im tired of the fedor bullshit talk
it just a guy on a dang good run
hes not shit in my book til he comes and fights some real dudes

nogs, hunt, and cro crop are impressive, but “what have you done for us lately?” come fight gonzaga, couture, arlovski, and even the maine-iac then i will call you above class A.

does lindland even count? the soul assassin knocked him tfo.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 15:59:04

No but seriously answer me ANYBODY, does Fedor have as many defenses as Hughes?

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 16:04:09

Pride has many names, but UFC have a lot of talent. That is all UFC Class A fighters and Pride Class B fighters, CLass C fighters are Icon, etc.

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:05:42

[quote comment=”68289″]
chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring
[/quote]

belfort is not a fighter. he is just some guy who needs cash. wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men. what on earth was gomi doing, he was winning then just decided to take a dive. Werdum, I dunno. shamrock’s like 5 thousand years old and hasn’t won a fight in 40 years. herring’s a bum. overeem, i dunno.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 16:09:15

[quote comment=”68304″][quote comment=”68289″]
chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring
[/quote]

belfort is not a fighter. he is just some guy who needs cash. wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men. what on earth was gomi doing, he was winning then just decided to take a dive. Werdum, I dunno. shamrock’s like 5 thousand years old and hasn’t won a fight in 40 years. herring’s a bum. overeem, i dunno.[/quote]

Vitor is just some guy who needs money? Gomi took a dive? I’m done argueing, your livin in a dreamworld. You can’t argue with somebody who dosnt use any evidance to back up outragious statements.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 16:09:46

WHO HAS MORE TITLE DEFENSES. HUGHES OR FEDOR???!?!?!!

 
Comment by GREASER57
2007-05-29 16:10:29

[quote post=”2253″]wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men.[/quote]

oh my god…that was priceless!

 
Comment by MMA Dude
2007-05-29 16:10:39

haha shamrocks how old and hasnt won a fight sense when, yet you have Sakuraba on your A list…cool…i have a post thats like 5 posts up, waiting moderation…i hope it comes, either way dude, i think you should stop while youre not ahead..

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:11:25

I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.

 
Comment by Lawman
2007-05-29 16:12:03

Rumor in Vegas was that Chuck Was at Tryst on Thursday nite as well till 4 am or so.

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 16:15:59

ROMO GRACIE u are awesome with your boggus statement. Keep it coming. U got Jenna Jameson hurt on that one. Dam how many men 500million. That is a lot of d*ck.

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:16:33

I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 16:19:16

[quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

We are not talking about that we are talking about Jenna Jameson with her 500 million men. LOL

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 16:20:51

[quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

About the Pride/UFC thing.. THANK YOU. Lets drop it already.
And the rest, I do not think Wandy has better hands than Wandi, there was no real evidance to support that in the past, but now RAmpage’s hands are better than ever. It was the Clinch Page had trouble with. I think now though, Rampage would beat Wandi, and Shogun. I think Liddell and Wandi could go either way. Lets do this!!

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:23:54

[quote comment=”68321″][quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

About the Pride/UFC thing.. THANK YOU. Lets drop it already.
And the rest, I do not think Wandy has better hands than Wandi, there was no real evidance to support that in the past, but now RAmpage’s hands are better than ever. It was the Clinch Page had trouble with. I think now though, Rampage would beat Wandi, and Shogun. I think Liddell and Wandi could go either way. Lets do this!![/quote]

NICELY PUT!

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:24:27

good stuff anomaly

 
Comment by Mr. mayn
2007-05-29 16:26:52

[quote post=”2253″]WHO HAS MORE TITLE DEFENSES. HUGHES OR FEDOR???!?!?!! [/quote]

WHO IS A BETTER FIGHTER..DO YOU THINK THAT RANDY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AT BEATING FEDOR IF YOU DO YOU DONT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT FIGHTING WHATSOEVER..FEDOR VS. RANDY= JOKE…..FEDOR VS. AA= JOKE…FEDOR VS. TIM SYLVIA= DONT ME FUCKEN LAUGH..FEDOR WILL DESTROY ALL OF TOP FIGHTERS IN HEAVY WEIGHT DIVISION..one more question do u really think that chuck liddel can beat FEDOR???

 
Comment by WADZ
2007-05-29 16:28:32

[quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Your posts are pointless. Especially the last sentence - wow, you’re a genious (why don’t you add them all up???). UFC fighters have had more success against Pride fighters lately (and not vice versa). Do you have any response to this argument… oops, I mean REALITY

Wake me when you have something accurate, or even intelligent, to say…

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:29:10

I think Dan Henderson will woop Page, but how long would his run be with him being so old? He put some serious hands on Wandy. Hes a good brawler and wrestler. Cant wait to see that fight. I still want page to win.

 
Comment by LongIslandguy
2007-05-29 16:32:47

[quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Kimbo kicks ass though..

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:32:56

Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10… good call.
I hope Liddell/Wanderlei happens. I hope Crocop/Sylvia happens.
I hope something positive comes out of the buyout. I’d love to see Nogueira/everybody. I hope we still get tournaments. Open Weight tournaments. I hope we improve over last UFC where you get 1 big fight in 1 evening but more like the late Pride’s format with multiple big fights in one night.

 
Comment by Stafo
2007-05-29 16:33:46

This doesn’t suprise me at all. Liddell is infamous party animal. Will this fight wake him up from his fantasy? Who the hell knows. All I rem. is him sitting in the corner saying “What Happened” Rampage is notorious for partying alo, but in the club everyday for 5 days before your big title defense. See you at the club Chuck

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 16:35:55

I want page to win to, and I would bet big money he will. Wandi was very very sick when Hendo beat him, and Wandi still did very well. The more and more I think about it, Hendo does not have very many defenses against legit 185′ers. I think Wandi would beat him if they fought again, and I think Hendo will get a wake up call at 205 when he fights Rampage. Rampage handled Linland just fine, if Linland couldnt out power/wrestle/grapple Rampage, can’t see Hendo doing it. And in stand up, however much damage that hendo sun of a gun can take, I bellieve Rampage can handle more. But bottom line I think Rampage’s stand up is very legit right now, don’t see him losing anytime soon, specially to Hendo.

 
Comment by The Anomaly
2007-05-29 16:36:46

[quote post=”2253″]I do not think Wandi* has better hands than Wandi[/quote]
*Hendo woops.

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:38:51

Question I have is does Rampage has an answer to Chute Box’s clinch style?

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 16:39:31

[quote comment=”68342″][quote post=”2253″]I do not think Wandi* has better hands than Wandi[/quote]
*Hendo

woops.[/quote]

Good one.

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:39:40

I knwo he had trouble before. I mean has he found a solution now?

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:40:01

UFC needs to implement the Grand Prix. Multiples in one night wood make me bust a nut.

 
Comment by Can a comp. calculate 10x10x10x10...?
2007-05-29 16:41:08

wood? I meant would.
SUCH A RETARD —->Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10…?

 
Comment by Romo Gracie
2007-05-29 16:42:45

Yes, OPEN WEIGHT GRAND PRIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and PLEASE give us soccer kicks and knees on the ground.

 
Comment by St. Amour
2007-05-29 16:43:25

[quote comment=”68350″]wood? I meant would.
SUCH A RETARD —->Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10…?[/quote]

good one