The fight didn’t even get past the twom minute mark so it is hard to see if the partying had any effect, but the fact is Chuck got caught by a massive right hook and there was know way he was coming back from that.

Club hopping and all that didn’t cause Chuck to lose to Rampage, if you really thought Chuck was going to beat Rampage then you should have done your homework. It certainly didn’t help but it didn’t change the inevitable outcome. Rampage is simply a terrible matchup for Chuck and has now proven that twice, just like Chuck is a bad matchup for Tito. Rampage has an excellent chin, not Mark Hunt caliber but still very good, and overall pretty good boxing defense for an MMA fighter. He also makes Chuck fight his fight whereas Chuck likes to counter punch Rampage forces him to press the action more than Chuck would like.

Personally I really hope the rumors of Chuck vs Wanderlei come to fruition because that is a matchup we’ve all been waiting far too long for.

I agree w/you Jason. That massive right hook was obviously the key to Rampage’s victory. But another thing is,Liddell doesnt go to sleep till around 3am anyway thats according to SI.com’s article it did about a month ago. but anyway,im glad chuck got his ass kicked.

I agree with jason to a point…If Chuck had gassed, there would be alot of talk about partying. Chuck has a history of lapses in training…even for the big fights. On the other hand, I think Chuck did not prepare mentally for the fight. Rampage looked ready, Chuck did not.

He just looked slow to me. Rampage has his number Just like Chuck has Tito’s.

No amount of training can prevent that….. When you don’t see the big right hook from a weird angle there is nothing you can do. Chuch didn’t short change his fans! I am still a fan, but I can see rampage holding the title a while, and I think chuck will hold it again too. So much new talent is coming in though who knows. Look at the rookie Houston Alexander. That dude throws bricks!

Way to go champ… oh, I’m sorry.

Maybe Chuck being on the sports illustrated cover and on Entourage the show, as well as countless late night tv appearances on show like Jay Leno has gotten to his head. He was bosted as the poster boy of the UFC. Hopefully this will only make him work extra hard and come out of the gates again flying. Or maybe Rampage was in his head the whole time. When he was walking into the ring and during the stare down, Chuck had a wide eyed look on his face like he was going to the death chamber or something. I have never seen Chuck look like that before, not for tito or randy. Fighters are normal people and maybe Chuck knew in the back of his head that he was going to loose and was scared to fight. Noone can say that Chuck wasn’t scared because noone is Chuck, only he can tell you that but I doubt he ever will. Maybe he was also getting his last week of partying in because he knew after sat. he would not be the top man in the UFC anymore.

[quote comment=”68137″]He just looked slow to me.[/quote]
I agree. I watched his 3 fights previous to this one and that didn’t even look like the same guy. I knew he was in trouble when he threw a leg kick first thing and it hit Rampage’s ankle. Granted, he showed the exact same stance and style, he just looked A LOT slower. I think his time has come.

To be fair, he was out every night before his last 2 fights too (Babalu and Tito) and kicked ass. I saw him out, because I was out too. Personally I wanted to set my biological clock to have fight time being midday. So I would rather stare at hot chicks from 12-2am than sit in my room and worry about the fight. If you are not drinking, then I do not see the dfference…

It’s about time UFC cans get exposed. UFC had no quality fighters ever since late 1990’s when they all left to Pride. I hated how Dana White kept the word ‘pride’ from being mentioned ever in his venues. All other organizations has no problem saying Pride was the top of the sport.

The only way Dana White and his crooneys could do was to fake it through by pretending B class fighters were ‘world’ champions.

What would have been a filler show at Pride events was billed as the main event in UFC. RIP Pride, we will never forget you.

I’m a fan of both, but I’m pretty disappointed in chuck for partying too close to a fight. It might help him relax a little, everybody’s different, but he didn’t look like himself. The pressure must have been enormous - finally getting that chance to avenge his last loss. A champ who retires with no unavenged losses would be great. Now he might not have the chance to fight Rampage again before he gets too old, especially if his next opponent is wand.

Rampage looked great. Fast, very technical. Chuck didn’t even really hit him. Well there was only like 3 exchanges in total. Amazing ending though, blocked a body punch and follows up with a brutal right hook, very good counter. He performed well, even though he looked nervous as hell before the fight.

Being slow had nothing to do with it. He didn’t setup that left to the body and it left him completely unprotected. Very decision, even his trainer said that. He knew better. I think he was too confident and didn’t believe anyone could knock him out. Guess he was wrong. I think read somewhere even a mediocre boxer would have KO’ed him, he was sooo wide open.

Matt

if anything he had less muscle mass, his stomach has kinda always had a buldge to it.. but i dont think that isthe reason, when u get caught u get caught.. even if ur the iceman

Watching that fight… he definitely wasnt there to fight. Maybe loosing 500g will get him focused enough to go back at it.

agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs

Bottom line Rampage really payed his dues, and worked his ass off for this, he was saying he was sparring with guys much better than him and they were frustrating the hell out of him, it payed off. Chuck has been champ for too long, partied a little too hard and I feel was too over confident. I hope Chuck comes back better than ever and this embarrassing loss lights a fire under his ass, but somehow I think its going to be all down hill from here.

[quote comment=”68190″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs[/quote]
You just saved me alot of time in having to write that myself. Right on bro.

Chuck would not have beaten Rampage anyway. It is not a “he has Chucks number” so much as I just think Rampage is superior fighter/striker. Period. As Machine said perfectly, Chuck is arguable the hardest hitter with teh heavy-est hands, but a great striker, starting to wonder….

[quote post=”2253″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??

[quote comment=”68190″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs[/quote]
[quote comment=”68211″]

argument with supporting evidence.

[quote post=”2253″]……by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??[/quote]

Some Random unsupported claims.
Another B class UFC fighter would be Jeff Monson.
Any Questions?

Chuck style of fighting against Rampage was all wrong, back pedaling, circling around and throwing a jab, and an outside body shot. Only way to beat Rampage is to follow Wandis and Shogans tactics, you need to stand in front of Rampage, throw punches in bunches, make him cover up, then clinch and throw mad knees and kicks. Chuck old style if fighting is not going to effect Rampage even if they meet again, his right hand is not going to take him out unless he can connect and he won’t connect Rampage is too good for that. I hope Chuck will adjust his fighting style against Silva, otherwise he is going home in a body bag.

yeah i have a couple…
wandi lost to tito??
if cc is A, where is gonzaga?
Babalu should be up there somewhere since he has Shoguns only loss.
Hendo/Liddell are A fighters on account of fighting whenever and whoever possible….can you say the same for Fedor??
How naive can you possibly be…all of these guys are A fighters….if this is indeed a grading system, there are enough fighters out there for everyone of these guys to be in top 10% in the world…if you dont see that I cant help you…now if you can get it through your head that both orgs had top competition and within each org different fighters match up differently with others…no one org was etter, only now UFC is by far better…also, if you think Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are B level fighter, then you know nothing about mma

[quote comment=”68211″][quote post=”2253″]agree with the fighting tomatoe….also Romo Gracie…you dont make any sense…watch a pride event..Wanderlei silva vs Minatowa…Fedor vs Zulu…Cro Cop vs Dos Caros jr….if these are the main events that you are talking about..then i assume the filler show of Rampage vs chuck would easily steal the show….please spare the PRIDE is better than the ufc shit…if Pride was better than the ufc, the ufc wouldnt own pride, it would be the other way around…yes Gonzaga dominates Cro cop just as easily as the ufc president former aerobics instructor and boxing promoter dominates DSE and Yakuza (or whatever)….by the way a b class fighter in UFC would be someone like Nick Diaz…spare me the hype bs [/quote]

Class B fighter are: Chuck, Tito, Tim Sylvia, Randy, and AA…

Class A fighters are: CC, Fedor, Wandi, Rampage and Shogun…

Any questions??[/quote]

I agree with that… although I would put Randy in Class A. As well as Dan Henderson. And when Tito loses to Rashad… hes droppin to class C

As far as the fight is concerned, Liddell did take a risk with the body shot and simply got caught. Yeah, his trainer spelled it out and I’m sure Liddell is aware of his mistake, especially after reviewing the footage. He’s a fighter, fighters take risks.

Liddell looked more relaxed and confident than Rampage in my opinion. Rampage appeared focused, very aware of the media frenzy and the impact of the fight. Liddell was not fazed one bit. It doesn’t matter, people will perceive what they will, especially now that the fight is over. He’s partied in the past leading into a fight, did that factor into his victories?

Nah.

I was at the fight and honestly I thought Chuck looked like he was going to slaughter Rampage and i was routing for Rampage. I like them both but Rampage just cracks me up and so I was pulling for him.

Entering the fight Rampage looked dry and like he was drugged and conversely Chuck looked absolutely on FIRE during the entered time leading up to the bell ringing. From that point on Rampage looked like he was coming to take what he believed to be his and Chuck was on the defensive. We all know Chuck is a counter puncher but in this case Rampage was the counter puncher and man was it some punch. It was a good live show but honestly way too expensive for what you get (more on that later). Also I’m not sure if this was on TV or not but Chuck was so pissed after the fight that he came back into the ring and wanted it get it on again. Not until Dana stepped in and put him in his place did chuck finally calm down and accept his loss.

On the live show, I can’t believe so many people paid as much as they did for seats. I happened to score some $500/ea tickets for half off, which still seemed expensive to me and I make a good amount of money at what I do. In my opinion the show is 10 times better with a DVR. Our seats were good but the fighters still looked small and were blocked by the TV camera and the ref half the time. I’m not sure how this will pan out but I sure hope the prices get back to a reasonable price in the years to come. I will not be attending another live UFC anytime soon.

TM

[quote comment=”68225″]yeah i have a couple…
wandi lost to tito??
if cc is A, where is gonzaga?
Babalu should be up there somewhere since he has Shoguns only loss.
Hendo/Liddell are A fighters on account of fighting whenever and whoever possible….can you say the same for Fedor??
How naive can you possibly be…all of these guys are A fighters….if this is indeed a grading system, there are enough fighters out there for everyone of these guys to be in top 10% in the world…if you dont see that I cant help you…now if you can get it through your head that both orgs had top competition and within each org different fighters match up differently with others…no one org was etter, only now UFC is by far better…also, if you think Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell are B level fighter, then you know nothing about mma[/quote]
Agree with every word man. I think my other quote-happy post was a little confusing. I was supporting your other post as a legit argument with supporting evidance. While that thing about the a and b class fighters that guy put up was just some bogus claims with nothing to back it up. Just to clear things up.

[quote post=”2253″]Chuck has been champ for too long, partied a little too hard and I feel was too over confident. I hope Chuck comes back better than ever and this embarrassing loss lights a fire under his ass, but somehow I think its going to be all down hill from here. [/quote]
I agree with Nathan….did I just say that? I always respect your opinions, but you are right on the money with this one. Dana already said Chuck has lost to Rampage twice and he needs to get a couple of wins to get another shot at the title. Chuck would have to win at least two, one easy and a setup fight with a worthy opponent. If you look at 205, who would that second fight be? Without messing up Chuck’s road back and UFC plans for Rashad or Bisbing, this division is a tough place to make your mark. For instance, pick a fighter that has more than 15 wins…Possible scenario might be Babalu getting his revenge or give Lambert a crack at him. Maybe Travis Wiuff? The rest of the division will be hands off or just not enough of a test to warrant a title shot. Gouoviea? Sakara? even Machida? is not enough of a test, and fights with Jardine, Forrest, Salmon (LOL) would be no-win wins and career ending losses. Chuck is going to have to face the loser of Hendo/Rampage or Shogun to get that shot again, and I don’t see him winning.

You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.

Oi!

Pride has some good fighters yes, but I think several people pointed out, they don’t seem to have a lot of good fighters. Whereas the UFC may not have “THE BEST” they have very deep divisions with a lot of A class talent.

I’ll believe Pride was better than UFC when Gomi beats Hughes or Sherk (Never happen in 1 million tries), Matt Serra beat Gomi at ADCC btw. When Anderson Silva defends his belt against people like Marquat, Tanner, ect. When Rampage defends his belt against people like… oh wait Pride dominates 205 now, Ok I’ll give you 205. Fedor beats AA, Sylvia and Couture.

Otherwise, it’s all speculation. Atleast it’s going to happen all in the next couple of years.

Love him or hate him. U cant blame Chuck for having a good time, beside he is probably tired of the belt anyways. He probably got to confident on himself. Being in the magazine, interviews, newspaper, etc.. I would be to if i was famous.

Baroni ? did u actually waste space to put his name there.. thats crazy

Ok, i apologize for including baroni. but you gotta say, he’s the new york bad ass.

[quote comment=”68261″] Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters.[/quote]

Liddell (3), Ortiz, Belfort (3), Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez (at his peak), Pedro Rizzo (2), Tim Sylvia, Jeremy Horn

Romo Gracie….Can I sub-respond before you finsh?

You’re an idiot.

[quote comment=”68282″][quote comment=”68261″] Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters.[/quote]

Liddell (3), Ortiz, Belfort (3), Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez (at his peak), Pedro Rizzo (2), Tim Sylvia, Jeremy Horn[/quote]

Exactly, like I said, Randy never fought A level fighters. Even tho he is technically A class.

[quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

For one, most of those guys are in UFC now anyway, Sakuraba is in there, but Randy is almost not? Ah man I don’t even know what to say. I think your logic is way off man. For one, lets see Henderson defend his belt against anybody legit. I have been saying he is the top 185′er, but come to think of it, who does pride have at 185 besides Henderson?
And GSP wasnt even in there? Matt Hughes is def A level. The most dominant Champ, PERIOD of any weight class so far. Does Fedor even have as many defenses as Hughes yet? It’s just off man.
I dub this…..skecthy.

[quote comment=”68286″][quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

For one, most of those guys are in UFC now anyway, Sakuraba is in there, but Randy is almost not? Ah man I don’t even know what to say. I think your logic is way off man. For one, lets see Henderson defend his belt against anybody legit. I have been saying he is the top 185′er, but come to think of it, who does pride have at 185 besides Henderson?
And GSP wasnt even in there? Matt Hughes is def A level. The most dominant Champ, PERIOD of any weight class so far. Does Fedor even have as many defenses as Hughes yet? It’s just off man.
I dub this…..skecthy.[/quote]

Who ever name all this rank fighters. U are gay and no class what so ever. 1st of all u name all the people in pride in A class. 2nd of all u did no put GSP in the rank and u put rich franklin in the B class u are insane my friend.

[quote comment=”68169″]It’s about time UFC cans get exposed. UFC had no quality fighters ever since late 1990’s when they all left to Pride. I hated how Dana White kept the word ‘pride’ from being mentioned ever in his venues. All other organizations has no problem saying Pride was the top of the sport.

The only way Dana White and his crooneys could do was to fake it through by pretending B class fighters were ‘world’ champions.

What would have been a filler show at Pride events was billed as the main event in UFC. RIP Pride, we will never forget you.[/quote]
uhhhhhh….

chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring

im not calling pride weak. i think superbowl events would have been pretty close, but im tired of all the PRIDE was a 100 times better than the ufc comments

People have to know Fedor is several leagues above any humans in the game right now. GSP is A level. Hughes is widely promoted by UFC because he draws the demographics that is going to buy Xyience. And much like Liddell and Franklin, are B level fighters. Maybe lower.

jesus Romo Gracie are you serious with that list….im not gonna waste my time…but if you think that the only A level fighters are from pride, then go to pridemania…i guess they just call that sherdog…or go back and actually watch fights in Pride and tell me if you actually think they are that much more superior than the ufc….by the way when you go buy the pride dvds, the ufc is getting your money…

well i tried not too but i have to…Randleman is a B fighter (zero skills but great power)????a B fighter would be someone right now like Wilson Gouvie…with great skills and could leg kick Randleman into submission…all your doing is listing names, with no reasoning behind them, your a listers are Pride guys and maybe randy couture, and then you have two list of B fighters in which you have Matt hughes on the same list as Baroni, Randleman and fucking MINOWA

[quote comment=”68261″]You guys are insane. It’s obvious that Fedor > *. Then comes,

A class: Crocop, Nogueira(big), Wanderlei, Henderson, Hunt(I am moving him right up there maybe a little early but with a few more months his ground game would be sufficient to compliment his A level striking), Sakuraba(but he’s too old now). Shogun, Sakoujou(sp?), Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters. Gomi is questionable since everyone thinks he is a paper champ. BJ Penn. (Gabe Gonzaga is unknown he needs a few more fights)

B : Anderson Silva, Baroni(maybe), Randleman(zero skills but great power), Andrei Arlovski.

B class: Matt Hughes, Minowa-man, Tim Sylvia, Liddell, Franklin.[/quote]

This must be a joke! Lidell will never be a b-class fighter. Love him or hate him, Hughes has never been a b-class fighter and even insinuating Couture is a b-class fighter shows your ignorance. The guy’s faught anyone and everyone (no padded record)…I could go on, but your pride bias is a joke. How can Randleman even crack this conversation? Baroni, ‘Sakoujou’ (he’s good, but has room to grow), etc ??? The jury is out regarding whether Wanderlei is a-level anymore.

Thanks for the laugh…

with you gasman

and….

im tired of the fedor bullshit talk
it just a guy on a dang good run
hes not shit in my book til he comes and fights some real dudes

nogs, hunt, and cro crop are impressive, but “what have you done for us lately?” come fight gonzaga, couture, arlovski, and even the maine-iac then i will call you above class A.

does lindland even count? the soul assassin knocked him tfo.

No but seriously answer me ANYBODY, does Fedor have as many defenses as Hughes?

Pride has many names, but UFC have a lot of talent. That is all UFC Class A fighters and Pride Class B fighters, CLass C fighters are Icon, etc.

[quote comment=”68289″]
chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring
[/quote]

belfort is not a fighter. he is just some guy who needs cash. wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men. what on earth was gomi doing, he was winning then just decided to take a dive. Werdum, I dunno. shamrock’s like 5 thousand years old and hasn’t won a fight in 40 years. herring’s a bum. overeem, i dunno.

[quote comment=”68304″][quote comment=”68289″]
chuck crushes belfort
tito kills wandy
gonzaga ktfo cro cop
diaz beats up gomi
AA makes werdun look like JV
shamrock actually could win fights in pride
trigg can win in pride
overeem couldnt cut it in ufc
way to go heath herring
[/quote]

belfort is not a fighter. he is just some guy who needs cash. wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men. what on earth was gomi doing, he was winning then just decided to take a dive. Werdum, I dunno. shamrock’s like 5 thousand years old and hasn’t won a fight in 40 years. herring’s a bum. overeem, i dunno.[/quote]

Vitor is just some guy who needs money? Gomi took a dive? I’m done argueing, your livin in a dreamworld. You can’t argue with somebody who dosnt use any evidance to back up outragious statements.

WHO HAS MORE TITLE DEFENSES. HUGHES OR FEDOR???!?!?!!

[quote post=”2253″]wanderlei would beat up tito worse than jenna jameson’s vagina got beaten up by 500million men.[/quote]

oh my god…that was priceless!

haha shamrocks how old and hasnt won a fight sense when, yet you have Sakuraba on your A list…cool…i have a post thats like 5 posts up, waiting moderation…i hope it comes, either way dude, i think you should stop while youre not ahead..

I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.

Rumor in Vegas was that Chuck Was at Tryst on Thursday nite as well till 4 am or so.

ROMO GRACIE u are awesome with your boggus statement. Keep it coming. U got Jenna Jameson hurt on that one. Dam how many men 500million. That is a lot of d*ck.

I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…

[quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

We are not talking about that we are talking about Jenna Jameson with her 500 million men. LOL

[quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

About the Pride/UFC thing.. THANK YOU. Lets drop it already.
And the rest, I do not think Wandy has better hands than Wandi, there was no real evidance to support that in the past, but now RAmpage’s hands are better than ever. It was the Clinch Page had trouble with. I think now though, Rampage would beat Wandi, and Shogun. I think Liddell and Wandi could go either way. Lets do this!!

[quote comment=”68321″][quote comment=”68317″]I thought we were talking about Chuck Liddell getting his face punched in, not ufc vs. pride. What does it matter know? We will see all of the “fantasy matchups” in the future. There is no ufc and pride now, haven’t you noticed its all ufc now. Just hold your horses and we will see all of those fights you are speculating on in the future. It will start with a pride legend (wanderlei) vs. a ufc legend (chuck). Lets just see what happens. Not that I am a ufc basher or anything, I think that wanderlei will KO Chuck in Rd. 1. Rampage doesn’t have the hands of wandy and he knocked chuck the f%ck out, what do you think will happen when a better fighter steps into the ring with Chuck. Flip side of that coin is wandys been knocked out here lately. INTERESTING MATCHUP…[/quote]

About the Pride/UFC thing.. THANK YOU. Lets drop it already.
And the rest, I do not think Wandy has better hands than Wandi, there was no real evidance to support that in the past, but now RAmpage’s hands are better than ever. It was the Clinch Page had trouble with. I think now though, Rampage would beat Wandi, and Shogun. I think Liddell and Wandi could go either way. Lets do this!![/quote]

NICELY PUT!

good stuff anomaly

[quote post=”2253″]WHO HAS MORE TITLE DEFENSES. HUGHES OR FEDOR???!?!?!! [/quote]

WHO IS A BETTER FIGHTER..DO YOU THINK THAT RANDY WOULD HAVE A CHANCE AT BEATING FEDOR IF YOU DO YOU DONT KNOW A DAMN THING ABOUT FIGHTING WHATSOEVER..FEDOR VS. RANDY= JOKE…..FEDOR VS. AA= JOKE…FEDOR VS. TIM SYLVIA= DONT ME FUCKEN LAUGH..FEDOR WILL DESTROY ALL OF TOP FIGHTERS IN HEAVY WEIGHT DIVISION..one more question do u really think that chuck liddel can beat FEDOR???

[quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Your posts are pointless. Especially the last sentence - wow, you’re a genious (why don’t you add them all up???). UFC fighters have had more success against Pride fighters lately (and not vice versa). Do you have any response to this argument… oops, I mean REALITY

Wake me when you have something accurate, or even intelligent, to say…

I think Dan Henderson will woop Page, but how long would his run be with him being so old? He put some serious hands on Wandy. Hes a good brawler and wrestler. Cant wait to see that fight. I still want page to win.

[quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Kimbo kicks ass though..

Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10… good call.
I hope Liddell/Wanderlei happens. I hope Crocop/Sylvia happens.
I hope something positive comes out of the buyout. I’d love to see Nogueira/everybody. I hope we still get tournaments. Open Weight tournaments. I hope we improve over last UFC where you get 1 big fight in 1 evening but more like the late Pride’s format with multiple big fights in one night.

This doesn’t suprise me at all. Liddell is infamous party animal. Will this fight wake him up from his fantasy? Who the hell knows. All I rem. is him sitting in the corner saying “What Happened” Rampage is notorious for partying alo, but in the club everyday for 5 days before your big title defense. See you at the club Chuck

I want page to win to, and I would bet big money he will. Wandi was very very sick when Hendo beat him, and Wandi still did very well. The more and more I think about it, Hendo does not have very many defenses against legit 185′ers. I think Wandi would beat him if they fought again, and I think Hendo will get a wake up call at 205 when he fights Rampage. Rampage handled Linland just fine, if Linland couldnt out power/wrestle/grapple Rampage, can’t see Hendo doing it. And in stand up, however much damage that hendo sun of a gun can take, I bellieve Rampage can handle more. But bottom line I think Rampage’s stand up is very legit right now, don’t see him losing anytime soon, specially to Hendo.

[quote post=”2253″]I do not think Wandi* has better hands than Wandi[/quote]
*Hendo woops.

Question I have is does Rampage has an answer to Chute Box’s clinch style?

[quote comment=”68342″][quote post=”2253″]I do not think Wandi* has better hands than Wandi[/quote]
*Hendo

woops.[/quote]

Good one.

I knwo he had trouble before. I mean has he found a solution now?

UFC needs to implement the Grand Prix. Multiples in one night wood make me bust a nut.

wood? I meant would.
SUCH A RETARD —->Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10…?

Yes, OPEN WEIGHT GRAND PRIX!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
and PLEASE give us soccer kicks and knees on the ground.

[quote comment=”68350″]wood? I meant would.
SUCH A RETARD —->Can a comp. calculate 10×10x10×10…?[/quote]

good one

[quote comment=”68336″][quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Kimbo kicks ass though..[/quote]
Kimbo. What you talking about he got smashed by Sean Gannon.

[quote comment=”68354″]
Kimbo. What you talking about he got smashed by Sean Gannon.[/quote]

Rule #1: Never dis the Kimbo

its time to put this chuck talk to sleep and talk about the real fight.two title holders and someone who can really fight and do vary well in numerious weight classes.some one who is not affraid to fight anyone that even would fight feder if possable and not be affraid and i mean henderson

Did anyone notice.. how rampage wasnt throwing fist first.. he had the game plan down.. he knew chuck would counter punch him. and he just waited it out, he stepped back flaired his arms out, made chuck 1st and banda bing chuck got counter punched just like he use to do.. thats all

[quote comment=”68355″][quote comment=”68354″]
Kimbo. What you talking about he got smashed by Sean Gannon.[/quote]

Rule #1: Never dis the Kimbo[/quote]
I wouldn’t call him a MMA fighter.

[quote comment=”68357″]Did anyone notice.. how rampage wasnt throwing fist first.. he had the game plan down.. he knew chuck would counter punch him. and he just waited it out, he stepped back flaired his arms out, made chuck 1st and banda bing chuck got counter punched just like he use to do.. thats all[/quote]

I feel u men chuck is out of the competition for good. He is already 37.

[quote comment=”68357″]Did anyone notice.. how rampage wasnt throwing fist first.. he had the game plan down.. he knew chuck would counter punch him. and he just waited it out, he stepped back flaired his arms out, made chuck 1st and banda bing chuck got counter punched just like he use to do.. thats all[/quote]
Yeah he wasn’t throwing his fists because Chuck was always moving away.

[quote comment=”68346″]Question I have is does Rampage has an answer to Chute Box’s clinch style?[/quote]

I don’t think Henderson has been training with Chute Box.

I get your point, but it would be a huge mistake to start worrying about beating Shogun before fighting Henderson.

[quote comment=”68128″]The fight didn’t even get past the twom minute mark so it is hard to see if the partying had any effect, but the fact is Chuck got caught by a massive right hook and there was know way he was coming back from that.[/quote]
I think the fact alone that it didn’t make the 2 minute mark, said he might have partied too much.

[quote comment=”68364″][quote comment=”68346″]Question I have is does Rampage has an answer to Chute Box’s clinch style?[/quote]

I don’t think Henderson has been training with Chute Box.

I get your point, but it would be a huge mistake to start worrying about beating Shogun before fighting Henderson.[/quote]

I agree

To answer an earlier question as best I can…

Matt Hughes defended the UFC welterweight belt 8 times over 2 seperate reigns (9 times if you want to count Riggs which I don’t)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Matt_Hughes_(fighter)

Fedor has had 11 wins (1 no contest) in Pride since winning the Pride heavyweight belt, but I honestly don’t know how many of those fights were actual title shots. That info was not readily available on Wikipedia.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fedor_Emelianenko

Though IMO…comparing these two is like apples and oranges.

[quote comment=”68366″][quote comment=”68128″]The fight didn’t even get past the twom minute mark so it is hard to see if the partying had any effect, but the fact is Chuck got caught by a massive right hook and there was know way he was coming back from that.[/quote]
I think the fact alone that it didn’t make the 2 minute mark, said he might have partied too much.[/quote]
What you talking about, nothing happened in the fight apart from Chuck waking up to a howl.

Romo Gracis, I think you’re pretty far off of this A fighters and B fighters. Im surprised you didnt pound Pride even more and put heath herring on that list.

[quote comment=”68332″]I think Dan Henderson will woop Page, but how long would his run be with him being so old? He put some serious hands on Wandy. Hes a good brawler and wrestler. Cant wait to see that fight. I still want page to win.[/quote]
NO WAY

[quote comment=”68373″]Romo Gracis, I think you’re pretty far off of this A fighters and B fighters. Im surprised you didnt pound Pride even more and put heath herring on that list.[/quote]

Also do guys like Mach Sakurai, Dennis Kang, George St. Pierre, Jens Pulver, Josh Barnett, Filho, Arona not even qualify as B-level fighters, or were they left off of the list in favor of guys like Randleman and Baroni?

And Couture doesn’t have enough tough fights, but Sokodoujou is “A-level” at 4-1?

[quote comment=”68360″][quote comment=”68357″]Did anyone notice.. how rampage wasnt throwing fist first.. he had the game plan down.. he knew chuck would counter punch him. and he just waited it out, he stepped back flaired his arms out, made chuck 1st and banda bing chuck got counter punched just like he use to do.. thats all[/quote]

I feel u men chuck is out of the competition for good. He is already 37.[/quote]
thats silly.
one loss?
he looked slow, but he is still chuck
while rampage had and executed a perfect game plan, it was still a one punch fight. one punch on the button. who knows what kind of fight it would have been if QJ missed.
randy is 43 and real washed up… right?

[quote comment=”68388″][quote comment=”68332″]I think Dan Henderson will woop Page, but how long would his run be with him being so old? He put some serious hands on Wandy. Hes a good brawler and wrestler. Cant wait to see that fight. I still want page to win.[/quote]
NO WAY[/quote]
im gonna say it so loud that if hendo does pull out a miracle all of you can make fun of me forever. hendo has NO chance. too small and doesnt have a definative strength advantage like he usually does

I don’t see Hendo beating Page.

Anybody counting Chuck out already after this one loss, I don’t even know what to say.

And Rampage will no doubt beat Hendo. If he dosnt, that will be a huge upset. Hendo dosnt have a very impressive resume at middle weight, the only reason he is looked upon so good is because he is a tough guy who is willing to fight anywhere, HW, LHW whatever. At middle weight, he is arguable the best, I would love to see him in battles with the other top 3 MW, Silva, Franklin, and Linland.

Long story short, the past has shown he does not do good agaisnt healthy LWH competition. Lil’ nog, and Arona showed that. A sick as a dog Wandi cannot be used to say Hendo is a force at LHW. Rampage over powered Arona, and Arona out powered Hendo(for the most part). Rampage also overpowered Linland (who gave Fedor trouble in the clinch).
As far as pure strength goes, Rampage’s will more than compensate for Hendo’s superior wrestling, and standing, Hendo is a gonner.

ALL THE UFC FIGHTERS ARE TAKING A BACK SEAT, NOW THAT THE BOYS OF PRIDE ARE MAKIN A SHOWIN

Here is an intresting thought, I know everyone is talking about Hendo and Page but what about after words. Say Hendo loses to Page and then decided to fight in the UFC at his natural weight class of 185. How would he stack up against the top 185′ers in the UFC?

As much as I hate him, Matt Hughes? GSP obviously? and then “The Heat”. Those are some matches with Hendo that could really get me drooling. Especially Hendo and Hughes I think that would be a great match up.

[quote comment=”68408″]Here is an intresting thought, I know everyone is talking about Hendo and Page but what about after words. Say Hendo loses to Page and then decided to fight in the UFC at his natural weight class of 185. How would he stack up against the top 185′ers in the UFC?

As much as I hate him, Matt Hughes? GSP obviously? and then “The Heat”. Those are some matches with Hendo that could really get me drooling. Especially Hendo and Hughes I think that would be a great match up.[/quote]

Well that’s def. what it will come down to. Hendo will not beat Rampage. But first your going to welter, your skipping middle. What about Hendo and Rich, or Hendo and ANderson? God this guy can fight anywhere!!

[quote comment=”68406″]ALL THE UFC FIGHTERS ARE TAKING A BACK SEAT, NOW THAT THE BOYS OF PRIDE ARE MAKIN A SHOWIN[/quote]

ALL THE PRIDE FIGHTERS ARE TAKIN A UFC SEAT, NOW THAT PRIDE IS FINALLY GOIN!!

Our infrequent poster Mr. Flying Tomato ( I still love that more than “Ravishing Red” ) is right. Go back to post l0 or so. No camera caught a drink in Nyquil’s hand. Your a fighter, you dont live where you are, hotel rooms suck, your trying to peek at 12pm EST, what else are you gonna do?

STOP WITH THE FUUUUUCKING EXCUSES. HE GOT BEAT. IT’S MMA, IF YOU AIN’T LOSING, YOU AIN’T FIGHTING THE RIGHT GUYS.

Romo Gracie, that’s funny. In Portuguese phonetically sounded into English, that’s Homo Gracie. Very funny, yawn….

Every fighter loses… sometime. It was Chuck’s time - and he lost.
Mabye he’ll be back…mabye better than ever, but more likely he’ll be a mere shadow of himself. Consider his age and his lifestyle. It’s not fair to Chuck to bring up Couture - Chuck has never been in the kind shape that Couture keeps himself in. The one fight that Chuck will never win (and I don’t mean with Rampage because I still wanna believe he can beat Rampage) is the battle to stay young.

I love watching Chuck fight, I always have, but I know his best days are likely behind him. Oh yeah, homo gracie - he was THE A-class fighter for a long time.

sportscenter just reported that chuck was seen at the bars and clubs all previous nights in vegas before the fight…

hows that for news? didnt we all know that like 48 hours ago?

not to get sentimental, but with this mainstream sh– mma is gonna go to, im kinda gonna like you guys

[quote comment=”68408″]Here is an intresting thought, I know everyone is talking about Hendo and Page but what about after words. Say Hendo loses to Page and then decided to fight in the UFC at his natural weight class of 185. How would he stack up against the top 185′ers in the UFC?

As much as I hate him, Matt Hughes? GSP obviously? and then “The Heat”. Those are some matches with Hendo that could really get me drooling. Especially Hendo and Hughes I think that would be a great match up.[/quote]
If Hendo was fighting them he’d be fighting at 170 dude, but i would think Hendo against Franklin or Silva would be awesome. Hendo is a champion at 185 and 205 but pride call them middleweight and welterweight.

[quote comment=”68452″][quote comment=”68408″]Here is an intresting thought, I know everyone is talking about Hendo and Page but what about after words. Say Hendo loses to Page and then decided to fight in the UFC at his natural weight class of 185. How would he stack up against the top 185′ers in the UFC?

As much as I hate him, Matt Hughes? GSP obviously? and then “The Heat”. Those are some matches with Hendo that could really get me drooling. Especially Hendo and Hughes I think that would be a great match up.[/quote]
If Hendo was fighting them he’d be fighting at 170 dude, but i would think Hendo against Franklin or Silva would be awesome. Hendo is a champion at 185 and 205 but pride call them middleweight and welterweight.[/quote]
i was just gonna type that… good call bang

[quote comment=”68336″][quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Kimbo kicks ass though..[/quote]
kimbo is a 9.2 on the unintensional comedy scale

Come on with this post….like ANYONE is dumb enough to go drinking before one of their biggest potential pay days ever??? I dont think so buddy..he was most likely chillin at the club socializing, not drinking and partying. I don’t think Hacklemna would continue to train Chuck if he was doing things like that. I’m also tired of hearing all these lame excuses about how Chuck is 37, he looked fatter than ever and no muscle…uhhm I think he’s always looked like that. He’s just built that way. At least no one can ever acuse him of sterioids right? By the way I bet his so called “beer belly” is more like a cement bag. Hes got abs under there if you look closely. I actually thought he looked in better shape for this fight than he did against Tito. I just think it comes down to Rampage got in CHuck’s head and caused him to make a mistake, end of story. Chuck will be back and win a couple more, but regain the title? I’m not sure. Maybe?

[quote comment=”68457″][quote comment=”68336″][quote comment=”68314″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together.[/quote]

Kimbo kicks ass though..[/quote]
kimbo is a 9.2 on the unintensional comedy scale[/quote]
I think Kimbo shouldn’t even be talked about on this site, he’s not a mma fighter and he gives mma a bad name. If he’s really that good(and i’v seen alot of his fights) try and do it the right way by having legalised fight rather than illegal brawls.

[quote comment=”68460″]Come on with this post….like ANYONE is dumb enough to go drinking before one of their biggest potential pay days ever??? I dont think so buddy..he was most likely chillin at the club socializing, not drinking and partying. I don’t think Hacklemna would continue to train Chuck if he was doing things like that. I’m also tired of hearing all these lame excuses about how Chuck is 37, he looked fatter than ever and no muscle…uhhm I think he’s always looked like that. He’s just built that way. At least no one can ever acuse him of sterioids right? abs under tBy the way I bet his so called “beer belly” is more like a cement bag. Hes got here if you look closely. I actually thought he looked in better shape for this fight than he did against Tito. I just think it comes down to Rampage got in CHuck’s head and caused him to make a mistake, end of story. Chuck will be back and win a couple more, but regain the title? I’m not sure. Maybe?[/quote]
“At least no one can ever acuse him of sterioids right? abs under tBy the way I bet his so called “beer belly” is more like a cement bag.” Most peoples fat is over the abs but there are some that have fat under the abs, I’ve seen fat guys with abs.

CL got caught. Props to Rampage for winning.

I’m not a big fan of either guy, but the disrespect for Liddell is a joke. He beat Couture, twice. He beat Ortiz, twice. He’s been a great fighter. But what I saw Saturday night was a guy without much energy, and very little crispness to his punches.

CL may make a comeback, and I hope he does. Those who think that his carousing and his beer gut aren’t a factor are kidding themselves. If it wasn’t a factor, why don’t all fighters come to the ring looking like your middle-aged, lazy uncle? Because it does matter. Liddell was slow and unprepared to fight. If he’s learned his lesson and isn’t already too old, he’ll get another title shot in a year or so if he really wants it. After this last fight, I have my doubts that it’s that important to him, as he obviously doesn’t take care of himself the way Couture does.

I’ve never thought much of Rampage, but he’s beaten CL twice. He deserves respect for doing something no one else has done. But, IMO, he’s not a top flight fighter and I think Henderson or Shogun or Ortiz or somebody else will soon take his belt. If I made a list of the top 5 LHWs, I’d have a hard time including Rampage. Perhaps he’ll prove me wrong over the next few fights.

My guess is that Shogun will eventually take the belt and keep it for a while. I think he’s the best 205 lber in the world.

[quote comment=”68482″]CL got caught. Props to Rampage for winning.

I’m not a big fan of either guy, but the disrespect for Liddell is a joke. He beat Couture, twice. He beat Ortiz, twice. He’s been a great fighter. But what I saw Saturday night was a guy without much energy, and very little crispness to his punches.quote]
What you talking about they hardly fought, they had two scuffles(barley) and it lasted a minute and a half.

Here’s a funny thought…

Hey if Nick Diaz can burn a little herbage before he fights Gomi, then Chuck can throw back a few brews before a fight. If you’re used to putting alcohol in your body and you suddenly stop, even before a fight, it could mess you up pretty bad.

Chuck lost, he’s not retired, he’ll be back, prolly to be a champion again, and we’ll all talk about how good he is. Listen to MTUFC, on this topic only.

[quote post=”2253″]People have to know Fedor is several leagues above any humans in the game right now. GSP is A level. Hughes is widely promoted by UFC because he draws the demographics that is going to buy Xyience. And much like Liddell and Franklin, are B level fighters. Maybe lower.[/quote]

Ok, from this point on, let’s all make believe Romo Gracie does’nt exist & maybe he’ll actually vanish! Agreed?

FYI - The 500k Chuck received was a base, win or lose. So he did not lose out on an extra 500k by not winning that fight.

Feel free to make the edit in your report. - Glad to help

[quote comment=”68503″]FYI - The 500k Chuck received was a base, win or lose. So he did not lose out on an extra 500k by not winning that fight.

Feel free to make the edit in your report. - Glad to help[/quote]

Yes he did. He was gonna get 500k no matter what - he did.
However, if he had won, he would have gotten another 500k, which would have put him at about 1 million. So losing, cost him 500k. Sucks for poor Chuck.

[quote post=”2253″]The jury is out regarding whether Wanderlei is a-level anymore. [/quote]

Wadz, I agreed with your post up until this point. Dont you think it may be a little too soon to count Wand out? Think about it, the loss against CC was during the Open Weight Tournament. He was still 205 champ before & after his KO by CC. I think he deserves a pass for being confident enough to step outside of his comfort zone to try & prove that he is as great as many believe. Even his loss to Hendo was while he was diagnosed with Strep Throat (check out the symptoms if you’ve been lucky enough to never catch it). I;m not making excuses for Wand & Wand made none for either loss but do you honestly believe anyone can perform at their physical peak with even a good head cold, let alone Strep? On a cellular level, your body is not working properly. I said this before, I think a healthy Wand will definately beat Hendo. I mean he did it once already, right?

[quote post=”2253″]No but seriously answer me ANYBODY, does Fedor have as many defenses as Hughes?[/quote]

Fedor has 14 title defenses.

[quote comment=”68518″][quote post=”2253″]No but seriously answer me ANYBODY, does Fedor have as many defenses as Hughes?[/quote]

Fedor has 14 title defenses.[/quote]

Theres no way dude. For one, we are talking about MMA right? My question started by comparing him to Matt Hughes, Hughes has six or seven right? And that dosnt even count a Joe Riggs that couldnt make weight, but Hughes manned up and beat him anyway. And beating somebody FOR the title dosnt count. Only defenses as a champ being challenged by a contendar.
Anyhow, if you still really think that, show me.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=1500

At which point there did he get the title?

[quote post=”2253″]Anybody counting Chuck out already after this one loss, I don’t even know what to say.
And Rampage will no doubt beat Hendo. If he dosnt, that will be a huge upset. Hendo dosnt have a very impressive resume at middle weight, the only reason he is looked upon so good is because he is a tough guy who is willing to fight anywhere, HW, LHW whatever. At middle weight, he is arguable the best, I would love to see him in battles with the other top 3 MW, Silva, Franklin, and Linland.
Long story short, the past has shown he does not do good agaisnt healthy LWH competition. Lil’ nog, and Arona showed that. A sick as a dog Wandi cannot be used to say Hendo is a force at LHW. Rampage over powered Arona, and Arona out powered Hendo(for the most part). Rampage also overpowered Linland (who gave Fedor trouble in the clinch).
As far as pure strength goes, Rampage’s will more than compensate for Hendo’s superior wrestling, and standing, Hendo is a gonner.[/quote]

I completely agree with this entire statement. I just hope the noobs read it as carefully as I did.

[quote comment=”68503″]FYI - The 500k Chuck received was a base, win or lose. So he did not lose out on an extra 500k by not winning that fight.

Feel free to make the edit in your report. - Glad to help[/quote]

Good point. And Derek Jeter did not lose out on a World Series ring by not winning the World Series in 2003.

[quote comment=”68460″]Come on with this post….like ANYONE is dumb enough to go drinking before one of their biggest potential pay days ever??? I dont think so buddy..he was most likely chillin at the club socializing, not drinking and partying.[/quote]

No one is accusing Chuck of drinking. And I don’t think hitting the clubs to get your mind off things is so bad either.

But all week? I guess that’s my biggest gripe.

[quote comment=”68532″][quote comment=”68503″]FYI - The 500k Chuck received was a base, win or lose. So he did not lose out on an extra 500k by not winning that fight.

Feel free to make the edit in your report. - Glad to help[/quote]

Good point. And Derek Jeter did not lose out on a World Series ring by not winning the World Series in 2003.[/quote]
hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

[quote post=”2253″]Fedor has 14 title defenses.
Theres no way dude. For one, we are talking about MMA right? My question started by comparing him to Matt Hughes, Hughes has six or seven right? And that dosnt even count a Joe Riggs that couldnt make weight, but Hughes manned up and beat him anyway. And beating somebody FOR the title dosnt count. Only defenses as a champ being challenged by a contendar.
Anyhow, if you still really think that, show me.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=1500
At which point there did he get the title?[/quote]

Oops, now that I look at his record, I dont think its 14. Sorry about that. Now I’m super curious. I’ll do some research & post what i find.

ok guys all kidding aside, enough arguing. lets point out some FACT about chuck partying that close to a fight…..
just look at the blonde in that picture, i would party the night before with her too.

[quote comment=”68538″][quote post=”2253″]Fedor has 14 title defenses.
Theres no way dude. For one, we are talking about MMA right? My question started by comparing him to Matt Hughes, Hughes has six or seven right? And that dosnt even count a Joe Riggs that couldnt make weight, but Hughes manned up and beat him anyway. And beating somebody FOR the title dosnt count. Only defenses as a champ being challenged by a contendar.
Anyhow, if you still really think that, show me.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=1500
At which point there did he get the title?[/quote]

Oops, now that I look at his record, I dont think its 14. Sorry about that. Now I’m super curious. I’ll do some research & post what i find.[/quote]

Alright Def. cuz im curious about that, def lemme konw when you find that, I was having trouble finding it also.

Saying he got poked in the eye or grabbed the fence or whatever is making excuses. As fans we’re sold on the fact the fighters will go into the fight in top shape. Did he look in top shape at the weigh in? I even told my friends that if I was less of a man I’d pull my money out the bet, that Chuck looked like sh*t. That’s not an excuse it’s a fact. I say if they would have fought 5 seperate fights that night Chuck would have lost all five. It’s only his fault he wasn’t prepared plan and simple. How are we to know what their doing behind closed doors? People here act like because your guy didn’t win you shouldn’t like him anymore. I like Royce in his fight next weekend even though he lost the first fight to Sakuraba. So what, I’m a fan that doesn’t turn my back on the fighter just because they lost. I always liked Page but I like Chuck better. In fact if they fight again I will be rooting and betting on Chuck Again. (after I see him at the weigh in of course)

[quote post=”2253″]It’s about time UFC cans get exposed. UFC had no quality fighters ever since late 1990’s when they all left to Pride. I hated how Dana White kept the word “pride’ from being mentioned ever in his venues. All other organizations has no problem saying Pride was the top of the sport.
The only way Dana White and his crooneys could do was to fake it through by pretending B class fighters were “world’ champions.
What would have been a filler show at Pride events was billed as the main event in UFC. RIP Pride, we will never forget you. [/quote]

Holy Pride nuthugger, did you not notice Gomi, Cro Cop, Herring,Fugita and Werdum recently got their asses beat buy those so called UFC B class fighters. You should actually wait, or should I say hope that Pride wins the majority of the fights before you flap your gums and look stupid trying to show pride is better.

Well no kidding- ESPN reports Chuck was out late.

TO ESPN;

Chuck likes to party.When did espn start caring about mma.(1-2 months ago)

Chuck got beat by a better fighter. I am a Chuck fan and it hurts when I say it, but he said he just got caught.He did not look any different than when he last fought. He will always have that belly because he loves to party(who does not like to have a great time)

[quote post=”2253″]Randy C. would be in this class also however, he never had enough tough fights with other A level fighters.
Liddell (3), Ortiz, Belfort (3), Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez (at his peak), Pedro Rizzo (2), Tim Sylvia, Jeremy Horn
Exactly, like I said, Randy never fought A level fighters. Even tho he is technically A class. [/quote]

These guys are A class fighters in the real world ,just not in your deluded alternate reality.

[quote post=”2253″]I can defend my title all day against bums. Kimbo probably has more wins than Hughes and the entire militech camp put together. [/quote]

Ya, Fedor’s last three defences were a bum, a washed up 40 year old and a MW.

[quote comment=”68482″]My guess is that Shogun will eventually take the belt and keep it for a while. I think he’s the best 205 lber in the world.[/quote]

I think that Shogun is the best striker at 205, and based on that (and his BJJ) he’ll likely snag the title at some point. However, I think he’ll have a lot of trouble with someone like Tito (i.e. a good wrestler with good GnP and decent submissions/sub defense)–part of what allowed Chuck to go on his recent run was his ability to keep traditional wrestlers where they’re typically least comfortable (on their feet). Shogun (and Wandi) will have a much tougher time preventing a wrestler from taking them down. So I think, with the fall of Chuck, that no one is going to hold onto the 205 belt for more than a few defenses at a time (I may have to eat some crow here if Rampage figures out how to nullify the Muay Thai clinch).

I dont care if chuck trained like an animal (i think he did by the way) the match up with rampage is plain and simple a bad one for him. He is a good fighter against non strikers. go back and really look at some of his fights that he won, JHorn, Vernon white, for example and you can see against these mediocore and non strikers, were able to land a few punches against him. All you had to do was think about him facing a man like rpj who aint scared of him and already whooped his ass before, and can take a punch as well as deliver one. It was really a no brainer, even if chuck partied his ass off or not. I keep seeing guys say that some people jumped on the rpj bandwagon after the fact. I swear this was an easy call fellas. Rpj is a much more technically sound fighter than 1 way chuck. I bet chuck can party his ass off though.

I think Kimbo shouldn’t even be talked about on this site, he’s not a mma fighter and he gives mma a bad name. If he’s really that good(and i’v seen alot of his fights) try and do it the right way by having legalised fight rather than illegal brawls.[/quote]

When Kimbo and myself get down. Im going to invite everyone to see the ass whoopin im gone put on him. I cant even use my whole arsenal against him, but i know ill whip his ass easily anyway, and in devastating fashion, at his own game.(its really my game) And yes im trying to do it legally. Youre right it gives mma a bad name, thats why im challeging him and i want everyone to see it… Then we gone party like Chuck all night…

those hoes look like the type who peform A to M lesa stuff

[quote post=”2253″]Fedor has 14 title defenses.
Theres no way dude. For one, we are talking about MMA right? My question started by comparing him to Matt Hughes, Hughes has six or seven right? And that dosnt even count a Joe Riggs that couldnt make weight, but Hughes manned up and beat him anyway. And beating somebody FOR the title dosnt count. Only defenses as a champ being challenged by a contendar.
Anyhow, if you still really think that, show me.
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=1500
At which point there did he get the title?
Oops, now that I look at his record, I dont think its 14. Sorry about that. Now I’m super curious. I’ll do some research & post what i find.
Alright Def. cuz im curious about that, def lemme konw when you find that, I was having trouble finding it also.[/quote]

Fedor won the title from Big Nog 3/16/03 but I still havent been able to figure out how many defenses he’s had. The problem is that I can’t tell the difference between what events were Tournaments & which were actual defenses. His record clearly shows that he’s won 14 straight fights since 2003. MTU, Bizarro Tommy, anything to add to this?…………

From the picture, looked like my man Chuck took a hard 1,2 combo before he even stepped into the ring with Rampage. I don’t blame him…..

there are 132 post to to this column….I’m throwing in my two cents. Hope it doesn’t restate some of you above.

[quote post=”2253″]MTU, Bizarro Tommy, anything to add to this?………… [/quote]
The way I count it, Fedor has had 8 title defenses.

Starting with his first title defense:

Fujita
Goodridge
Coleman
Nothing else in ‘O4, HWGP.
Kohsaka
Crocop
Zulu ( hedging on this one. Smells like a nontitle freak match. )
Coleman
Hunt

[quote comment=”69037″][quote post=”2253″]MTU, Bizarro Tommy, anything to add to this?………… [/quote]
The way I count it, Fedor has had 8 title defenses.

Starting with his first title defense:

Fujita
Goodridge
Coleman
Nothing else in ‘O4, HWGP.
Kohsaka
Crocop
Zulu ( hedging on this one. Smells like a nontitle freak match. )
Coleman
Hunt[/quote]

Ok so he does beat Hughes by like one, if you count his Joe Riggs defeat. I was just wonderign about that.

P.S. Ima about to mob up on those Affliction shirts on the online store. The ones they were all sportin at 71. Im suprised I have never seen those in public before besides UFC, there pretty legit.

Rampage just got lucky with that hit there is no way Rampage is a better fighter

[quote comment=”68523″][quote comment=”68518″][quote post=”2253″]No but seriously answer me ANYBODY, does Fedor have as many defenses as Hughes?[/quote]

Fedor has 14 title defenses.[/quote]

Theres no way dude. For one, we are talking about MMA right? My question started by comparing him to Matt Hughes, Hughes has six or seven right? And that dosnt even count a Joe Riggs that couldnt make weight, but Hughes manned up and beat him anyway. And beating somebody FOR the title dosnt count. Only defenses as a champ being challenged by a contendar.
Anyhow, if you still really think that, show me.

http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/fightfinder.asp?fighterid=1500

At which point there did he get the title?[/quote]
It was in like the beggining of 2003 against Nogueira.

Romo Gracie tell me when the last time Fedor fought anyone good was?? Big Nog and CroCop to DECISION. Pride didn’t want Fedor to loose so they never matched him up with anyone good. Mark my words we will see the real Fedor soon, and its not going to be good. As far as Chuck Liddell goes.. I’m not a very big fan of him but look at the ppl he’s fought and the past 10 fights were all knock outs. Plus.. besides Rampage(so far) all the Pride fighters are getting owned in UFC.. Heath Hearing(who everone said would dominate the heavyweight division), Gomi, CroCop(which I still am a fan of…

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