What about Daniel Puder, Dana??? He would be an interesting add to the UFC, he’s got the experience and he’s got the ability.

I agree with Dana in respects that it will be hard for a pro-wrestling guys to jump in the cage, but much much for a boxer. At this time why is it that every boxer/pro-wrestler/NFL player/and their mother’s want a peice of the UFC..Hummm, my guess UFC/MMA is the TRUTH, so let it be seen & heard..and to the aboved mentioned, “get to the back of the line”..UFC is for the MMA fighter.

I agree with White. I don’t think these guys would do as well as some would like to see. Wrestling is a great background for MMA. Angle would have a legit chance to make the transition but I think he’s too old. As long as White doesn’t pull a WWE with the UFC I’m all good with whatever happens. As for Lesner….this guy is a beast. Pat Miletich has been quoted saying that Lesner will be a force to be reckoned with after he molds him correctly under MFS.

[quote post=”2145″] Lesner will be a force to be reckoned with after he molds him correctly under MFS[/quote]

Stafo, I read that quote somewhere as well. I think both Lesnar stands a real chance. Angle as well but I fear age may be a factor for him.

For those that may not be in the know, both Angle & Lesnar have stellar Freestyle Wrestling (real wrestling a la Couture, Hughes & Kos)backgrounds. This obviously translates very well to MMA if they are able to put together the other necessary elements outside of wrestling.

[quote post=”2145″]I think both Lesnar stands a real chance[/quote]

Oops, please ignore the “both” in that sentence.

bring the hulk.leave it to the pros.or have tito fighjt in wwe

[quote post=”2145″] agree with Dana in respects that it will be hard for a pro-wrestling guys to jump in the cage, but much much for a boxer. At this time why is it that every boxer/pro-wrestler/NFL player/and their mother’s want a peice of the UFC..Hummm, my guess UFC/MMA is the TRUTH, so let it be seen & heard..and to the aboved mentioned, “get to the back of the line”..UFC is for the MMA fighter. [/quote]

I disagree..when ufc first started i remember thinking man this is like that movie bloodsport, where all fighters from across the world come and meet in one place to decide who the best fighter is…I say who-ever wants to fight give him a chance and see what there made of because if this sport becomes too mainstream than how will any of us know if the champions are really the best in the world…

Every pro-wrestler/boxer/nfl star would get tapped-out in round 1. They would need a decent amount of training in jiu-jitsu. Just being a wrestler doesnt cut it, it helps out but it wont get u to far. Also got to learn how to kick, throw elbows and knees. These guys think its easy, they have something coming for them if they are thinking this way. MMA is no joke and the UFC is the best of the best.. just goin to embarrass themselves

Kurt Angle is old, on waaaaay too many drugs (worse then Rutten) and way to worn out to compete in any form of MMA outside of reservation leagues.

Lesnar is supposed to be an amazing athlete, that being said any great instructor (like Miletech) should be able to get him to an angle(heh) where he can compete, but at what level? What weight class is Brock fighting at?

Lesnar would do very well in UFC I think. Would be fun to watch even if he doesn’t do well.

Brock Lesnar is in the heavy weight divison, he probably has to cut to make 265. That guy is a beast. And I am not sure about what Pat Miltech has said but I know 100% for sure that Lesnar trains at the same place that Sean Sherk does… sorry for my incompitense if that does happen to be the Miletech camp.

Lesnar is a beast, he is 265 minimumly (like i said probably has to cut to make it) and is all muscle. He isnt a roid head when u see pictures of him you might think so, but like Matt Hughes he is a farm boy. Just a much much bigger farm boy. Lesnar would do awesome in the UFC. But that is just my opinion. From what I hear Lesnar was supposed to be fighting in K-1 coming up sometime soon.

[quote comment=”58070″]I agree with White. I don’t think these guys would do as well as some would like to see. Wrestling is a great background for MMA. Angle would have a legit chance to make the transition but I think he’s too old. As long as White doesn’t pull a WWE with the UFC I’m all good with whatever happens. As for Lesner….this guy is a beast. Pat Miletich has been quoted saying that Lesner will be a force to be reckoned with after he molds him correctly under MFS.[/quote]
yES
I AGREE LESNER IS A BEAST NOT TTHAT OLD AND WITH SOME EXPERIENCE COULD REALLY BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT JUST A WWE WRESTLER

..Who ever wants to fight MMA has to earn their shot, and word to the MMA/UFC Brass do not give any of these guys a crazy amount of money to fight in the UFC..This is my favorite sport by far in the world, I respect the fighters, cheer, booo, you name it I do it..bottom line I respect those guys that are coming from the underground, those guys that been in the trenches, those guys that support their families with the salaries that are given to them. Before a Lesnar, or Mayweather, or whoever wants to fight in the UFC..ok,let them pay their dues..get paid and treated the same. First give the big bucks to Chuck, Randy, Minotauro, Shogun, Silva, even Tito should get that check before the whole pro-wrestlers/boxers/Footballers..etc

What would pro wrestling be without the roids?

[quote comment=”58132″]What would pro wrestling be without the roids?[/quote]
Search youtube.com for backyard wrestling and you’ll have your answer.

[quote comment=”58101″]bring the hulk.leave it to the pros.or have tito fighjt in wwe[/quote]
I’d like to see Kurt banging a folding chair over Tito’s head for real.

In all seriousness, Angle and Lesnar are both amazing athletes, and with the proper training to back up their wrestling skills they could make a good impact in MMA, Lesnar in particular since he’s relatively young. Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.

[quote comment=”58136″][quote comment=”58132″]What would pro wrestling be without the roids?[/quote]
Search youtube.com for backyard wrestling and you’ll have your answer.[/quote]
Good one.

I hate to say this, but I know Lesnar. Not well, mind you, but I did some work for him when he was dating some WWE female personality. She has(d) a place in Oviedo, Fl where a lot of WWE types live. I’m not gonna get into the details, but I’d say he’s a total ahole in that wrestleresque way. He also isnt one of the sharper knives in the drawer. But, that being said, I think he will do well in MMA. If Miletich and Royce see something in him, then you gotta believe.

Did any of you happen to see that PRIDE fight between the American Gold Medal wrestler, Rolan Gardner fight the Japan Gold Medal Judo guy, sorry don’t remember the name. Rolan Gardner was traing with Team QUEST and Coutoure. He actually looked much more impressive than I expected considering the small amount of time he had trained. And WOW, did he hit hard. Before watching the fight, I was thinking, ‘Man, Gardner’s gunna get his ass kicked, what’s he thinking?”. ANd then by the end of the fight I felt bad for the Japanese guy.

If there is some cross over, PLEASE, don’t let it become the WWE or TNA. I don’t want any more “drama” added to the UFC. There’s already too much as far as I’m concerned. I want to see good quality fights, not a soap opera. Also, UFC is regulated and I have a feeling that there are a lot of Pro wrestlers that would fail a pee test.

Think those pro guys might have to give up the steroid abuse first. Not sure how long that stuff is detectable.

[quote comment=”58124″]Brock Lesnar is in the heavy weight divison, he probably has to cut to make 265.[/quote]
Sherdog has him weighing in at 285… but I seriously doubt that. Goldberg was an animal when he wrestled, his true weight was around 235lbs. The only way you are getting 285lbs at 6′2″ is a bit too much fat, or roids…

Once Lesnar loses all the water retention from the cycles of deca and human growth harmones, he’ll make the weight he needs to.

great great… make the UFC more like TNA.

Voice over: last week, you saw Dana White steal Vince McMahon’s girlfriend and drive away in his new Porsche. Well this week McMahon will stop at nothing to exact his revenge!

Cut away to a scene of Dana White chatting with someone near the Octagon and suddenly Vince McMahon hits him with a large trash can.

Is that what we need more of?

[quote comment=”58151″][quote comment=”58124″]Brock Lesnar is in the heavy weight divison, he probably has to cut to make 265.[/quote]
Sherdog has him weighing in at 285… but I seriously doubt that. Goldberg was an animal when he wrestled, his true weight was around 235lbs. The only way you are getting 285lbs at 6′2″ is a bit too much fat, or roids…[/quote]

Is this an actual fact Luppers???

Lesner’s a scary motherf…ing beast, and I can see him making the transition to mma. For a huge man, he’s very agile, and let’s not forget he wrestled at a very high level in college.

[quote comment=”58167″][quote comment=”58151″][quote comment=”58124″]Brock Lesnar is in the heavy weight divison, he probably has to cut to make 265.[/quote]
Sherdog has him weighing in at 285… but I seriously doubt that. Goldberg was an animal when he wrestled, his true weight was around 235lbs. The only way you are getting 285lbs at 6′2″ is a bit too much fat, or roids…[/quote]

Is this an actual fact Luppers???

Lesner’s a scary motherf…ing beast, and I can see him making the transition to mma. For a huge man, he’s very agile, and let’s not forget he wrestled at a very high level in college.[/quote]
Good grief people give it up

I dont see any WWE guys making it in the UFC… no matter how big or hard they hit or how much wrestling they have done.
WWE in the UFC will just pad the records of the MMA fighters. Maybe Dana just wants to grab some fans from Pro Wrestling by bringing in a couple of names, but fear not, the UFC will not become like TNA, WWE, etc.

Angle won the gold medal in the 96′ Olympics and thats no joke you have to be a prime athlete to accomplish that and after seeing Rulon Gardner fight I think he could COMPETE even despite his age, but idk if he would win vs any strikers and he def wouldnt beat any top 5 fighters however vs a Jake O’Brien type in what would be basically a grappling match I think Angle has a shot.

Lesner is a different story, the guy is training in Militech already not to mention athletically he is amazing. Does that make an MMA fighter? Absolutely not. However if Pat Militech says he can be a force and Gracie says the same well I knw they know more than me so I have to go by them and say he could do some damage if he can soak in the coaching of Militech.

I dont think for a minute it will turn MMA into Pro Wrestling, we have to remember the majority of WWE wrestlers are College Wrestlers, Kickboxers, and Grapplers who went to pro wrestling so they can make some money b/c obv. 5 years ago being a Great College Wrestler got you absolutely nothing besides waiting every 4 years for the Olympics. Now with the $$ flowing alot more college wrestlers or kickboxers will try their hand at the fight game some will work some wont. All in all I like the idea.

Well, it takes more than being a great athlete to make it in MMA. I mean, I dont see Lance Armostrong challeging Sean Sherk any time soon…

Well obviously being a great combat sport athlete is a big distinction from being a great cyclist. Maybe it isn’t so obvious to some though hehe

[quote comment=”58124″]Lesnar is a beast, he is 265 minimumly (like i said probably has to cut to make it) and is all muscle. He isnt a roid head when u see pictures of him you might think so, but like Matt Hughes he is a farm boy. Just a much much bigger farm boy. Lesnar would do awesome in the UFC. But that is just my opinion. From what I hear Lesnar was supposed to be fighting in K-1 coming up sometime soon.[/quote]

On smoking gun dot com, they have a mug shot of lesner and it states that he was arrested for illegal steriod possession. That was about five years ago

[quote comment=”58197″]Angle won the gold medal in the 96′ Olympics and thats no joke you have to be a prime athlete to accomplish that and after seeing Rulon Gardner fight I think he could COMPETE even despite his age, but idk if he would win vs any strikers and he def wouldnt beat any top 5 fighters however vs a Jake O’Brien type in what would be basically a grappling match I think Angle has a shot.

Lesner is a different story, the guy is training in Militech already not to mention athletically he is amazing. Does that make an MMA fighter? Absolutely not. However if Pat Militech says he can be a force and Gracie says the same well I knw they know more than me so I have to go by them and say he could do some damage if he can soak in the coaching of Militech.

I dont think for a minute it will turn MMA into Pro Wrestling, we have to remember the majority of WWE wrestlers are College Wrestlers, Kickboxers, and Grapplers who went to pro wrestling so they can make some money b/c obv. 5 years ago being a Great College Wrestler got you absolutely nothing besides waiting every 4 years for the Olympics. Now with the $$ flowing alot more college wrestlers or kickboxers will try their hand at the fight game some will work some wont. All in all I like the idea.[/quote]

I agree. In the future the part of the problem for WWE is that guys like Tajiri (in real life is a black belt in like three different martial arts forms) and guys like Lesner, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas (all former colliegent all american wrestlers) and guys like Bad News Brown (Olympic Judo medalist), CM Punk (former submission fighter) and guys like that will not choose Sports Entertainment (WWE) in the future because now MMA has become a legit option for these guys.

I knew WWE would be impacted by MMA when Mark Coleman first debuted because he was a former olypmic wrestler who had the intensity of a Goldberg but chose MMA over WWE (even though he was offered a WWE contract after his short stint in UFC).

[quote comment=”58246″][quote comment=”58197″]Angle won the gold medal in the 96′ Olympics and thats no joke you have to be a prime athlete to accomplish that and after seeing Rulon Gardner fight I think he could COMPETE even despite his age, but idk if he would win vs any strikers and he def wouldnt beat any top 5 fighters however vs a Jake O’Brien type in what would be basically a grappling match I think Angle has a shot.

Lesner is a different story, the guy is training in Militech already not to mention athletically he is amazing. Does that make an MMA fighter? Absolutely not. However if Pat Militech says he can be a force and Gracie says the same well I knw they know more than me so I have to go by them and say he could do some damage if he can soak in the coaching of Militech.

I dont think for a minute it will turn MMA into Pro Wrestling, we have to remember the majority of WWE wrestlers are College Wrestlers, Kickboxers, and Grapplers who went to pro wrestling so they can make some money b/c obv. 5 years ago being a Great College Wrestler got you absolutely nothing besides waiting every 4 years for the Olympics. Now with the $$ flowing alot more college wrestlers or kickboxers will try their hand at the fight game some will work some wont. All in all I like the idea.[/quote]

I agree. In the future the part of the problem for WWE is that guys like Tajiri (in real life is a black belt in like three different martial arts forms) and guys like Lesner, Shelton Benjamin, Charlie Haas (all former colliegent all american wrestlers) and guys like Bad News Brown (Olympic Judo medalist), CM Punk (former submission fighter) and guys like that will not choose Sports Entertainment (WWE) in the future because now MMA has become a legit option for these guys.

I knew WWE would be impacted by MMA when Mark Coleman first debuted because he was a former olypmic wrestler who had the intensity of a Goldberg but chose MMA over WWE (even though he was offered a WWE contract after his short stint in UFC).[/quote]

I guess it will depend on if guys are willing to work 300 shows a year in the WWE, because until things change “sports entertainers” are paid much better than the average UFC fighter.

I hope he doesn’t chicken out this time. I can’t wait to see his candy ass feel a real punch and bleed real blood

In all reality, MMA is no where near the size of the WWE. If the UFC was on 5 nites a week on six channels ( I have direcTV ) it would be as big. The big sponsors need to get comfortable with our sport. Will they all? No, violence and blood just doesnt sell tampons. Ok, bad expample. It doesnt sell cold medicine, cereal, and Lipitor. Maybe one day we’ll see commercials for F-150s, Budweiser, and Charles Schwab. But not yet. This sport really is only 5 years old, since its been back on TV, back in the mainstream to an extent, and back in the News. The noobs of today, in 3 years are gonna be wizened souls dealing with 10 times the amount of new fans that we have to deal with. It’ll be hell.

I’m new here and in general don’t even post much online, so go ahead and doubt my 2 cents worth here, but here goes:

I certainly hope that none of you are implying in this thread that by simply crossing over from Pro-Wrestling into the UFC (or any MMA organization really) that the transition would require one to become “Chemically Clean” so to speak. The UFC is as saturated with anabolic steroids and other illegal performance enhancing drugs (especially HGH) as any other professional sport. Certainly not quite to the extent of Pro-Wrestling (and obviously not to the Pro Bodybuilding extreme), but a 100% clean fighter is the exception to the rule.
That being said, does it in any way take away from the athletes or how hard they train? Not at all. I love MMA regardless of supplementation. It just bothers me to no end the “Average Joe’s” naivete regarding Steroids.

Anyway…I feel that Lesner and Angle should fight each other! However it goes down, I think it’ll be great. I’d also like to see that World’s Strongest Man “PUDZINOWSKI” from Poland take a crack at it….just for fun mind you. Now THERE’S a guy who actually uses absolutely NO steroids at all!!!!!

[quote comment=”58271″] …. No, violence and blood just doesnt sell tampons. Ok, bad expample…. quote]
THAT IS F’ing HILLARIOUS. i am making my girlfrriend read that.LOL.HAHAHA. joke is thoroughly appreciated!

[quote comment=”58208″]Well, it takes more than being a great athlete to make it in MMA. I mean, I dont see Lance Armostrong challeging Sean Sherk any time soon…[/quote]

Read my post, I said “Athletically their amazing, but does that make them an MMA fighter? Absolutely not.”

How you jumped from Kurt Angle (An Olympic gold medal Wrestler) and Lesner (All-American Collegiate Wrestler) to a Cyclist is beyond me.

Like TROSTE said, their COMBAT athletes not cyclists. Big difference.

[quote post=”2145″]Well, it takes more than being a great athlete to make it in MMA. I mean, I dont see Lance Armostrong challeging Sean Sherk any time soon[/quote]

MTUFC, that would make a good point if Cycling was actually a contact sport. Poor analogy & very uncharatceristic of you. Have u been nippin on the sauce this evening?

brock is an animal, he’s huge, he’s strong, he’s athletic, he’s quick, i think he would be tough for a lot of hw’s to handle, it sounds like he’s getting some good coaching and training too, i think he could be a beast in mma, with the right dedication to training of course, i’m not sure about angle though, seems like he gets hurt a lot and he’s getting up there in age, guy is strong though and has heart, both would be big for ppv sales, i think we’ll see brock one day, but probably not angle…

[quote comment=”58310″]brock is an animal, he’s huge, he’s strong, he’s athletic, he’s quick, i think he would be tough for a lot of hw’s to handle, it sounds like he’s getting some good coaching and training too, i think he could be a beast in mma, with the right dedication to training of course, i’m not sure about angle though, seems like he gets hurt a lot and he’s getting up there in age, guy is strong though and has heart, both would be big for ppv sales, i think we’ll see brock one day, but probably not angle…[/quote]

I’d bet a chunk of change that your Gonzaga’s, and Cro cop’s would dispatch of Lesner with ease, and god forbid this schwag f**k ever gets in the ring with a Fedor…

[quote comment=”58286″][quote comment=”58208″]Well, it takes more than being a great athlete to make it in MMA. I mean, I dont see Lance Armostrong challeging Sean Sherk any time soon…[/quote]

Read my post, I said “Athletically their amazing, but does that make them an MMA fighter? Absolutely not.”

How you jumped from Kurt Angle (An Olympic gold medal Wrestler) and Lesner (All-American Collegiate Wrestler) to a Cyclist is beyond me.

Like TROSTE said, their COMBAT athletes not cyclists. Big difference.[/quote]

[quote comment=”58288″][quote post=”2145″]Well, it takes more than being a great athlete to make it in MMA. I mean, I dont see Lance Armostrong challeging Sean Sherk any time soon[/quote]

MTUFC, that would make a good point if Cycling was actually a contact sport. Poor analogy & very uncharatceristic of you. Have u been nippin on the sauce this evening? :P[/quote]

Uh, it was a joke ppl. Of course Lance would destroy Sherk.

Brock as much of a beast as he is, his undoing will be at the hands of a good striker who he is unable to take down and against a guy who is great with joint locks… ankle and knee bars in particular. Much like Kevin Randleman

[quote post=”2145″]Brock as much of a beast as he is, his undoing will be at the hands of a good striker who he is unable to take down and against a guy who is great with joint locks… ankle and knee bars in particular. Much like Kevin Randleman[/quote]

I think we should all slow down a bit on this debate. Think about it, Borck is BRAND NEW to this sport, completely green. None of us have seen him fight yet so we have no idea what to truly expect. He may be a tomatoe can or he might be the best thing since sliced bread. Unless he’s some sort of prodigy, we won’t see anything spectacular in his 1st few matches. Based on what 2 undisputable legends (Pat Militich & Royce Gracie who are also his trainers) have to say about it him, I think we may have something here. Pat M was quoted as saying that based on what he’s seen from Brock in the early stages of his training, he thinks he’ll be unstoppable. That’s saying alot coming from a guy with Pat’s accolades (ex 170lb Champ who trained others to be champs, Franklin, Hughes, Pulver, Poopie). Call me biased but when Brock makes his Elite XC debut Jan 2nd I’m expecting to atleast see s brief flashes of potential greatness. He’s not some guy who came from nowhere & decided to become a Sports Entertainment star. The guys been a freestyle wrestler since his pre-teens & went on to capture the championship in Division I wrestling. As far as discounting an amatuer wrestlers foray into MMA, there are plenty of examples out there with positive outcomes. Couture is a shining example of such & one than cannot be overlooked. Let’s wait to see what happens. If he sucks, then oh well, we saw it coming right? If he turns out to be a beast (my opinion) then we can say that we called it early & the rest of you dont know squat. See, it all works out.

Getting Angle in the cage would be stupid on both sides. Kurt has no training in the sport apart from his amatuer days, no stand up and no submissions. It would be dangerous. If anythinh was to happen to Kurt, the papers would be all over it.

[quote post=”2145″]Much like Kevin Randleman[/quote]

I dont know who he surrounds himself with or whether or not he has some sort of mental deficiency but KR’s always had the rudimentary tools to forge an incredible champion out of himself. Somewhere in his career their had to be a clear sign when the sport evolved that he must adapt his game to it. Based on his performances throughout the years though, the guy definately ignored the signs & feigned ignorance. Talk about a waste of talent.

[quote comment=”58271″]In all reality, MMA is no where near the size of the WWE. If the UFC was on 5 nites a week on six channels ( I have direcTV ) it would be as big. The big sponsors need to get comfortable with our sport. Will they all? No, violence and blood just doesnt sell tampons. Ok, bad expample. It doesnt sell cold medicine, cereal, and Lipitor. Maybe one day we’ll see commercials for F-150s, Budweiser, and Charles Schwab. But not yet. This sport really is only 5 years old, since its been back on TV, back in the mainstream to an extent, and back in the News. The noobs of today, in 3 years are gonna be wizened souls dealing with 10 times the amount of new fans that we have to deal with. It’ll be hell.[/quote]
More half naked ladies, catch phrases, white trash… that could change.

[quote comment=”58585″]Getting Angle in the cage would be stupid on both sides. Kurt has no training in the sport apart from his amatuer days, no stand up and no submissions. It would be dangerous. If anythinh was to happen to Kurt, the papers would be all over it.[/quote]
Obviously the Olympic Hero has never slapped his patented Angle Lock on you. He won’t just beat you. He’ll make you tap. Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.

[quote comment=”58581″][quote post=”2145″]Brock as much of a beast as he is, his undoing will be at the hands of a good striker who he is unable to take down and against a guy who is great with joint locks… ankle and knee bars in particular. Much like Kevin Randleman[/quote]

I think we should all slow down a bit on this debate. Think about it, Borck is BRAND NEW to this sport, completely green. None of us have seen him fight yet so we have no idea what to truly expect. He may be a tomatoe can or he might be the best thing since sliced bread. Unless he’s some sort of prodigy, we won’t see anything spectacular in his 1st few matches. Based on what 2 undisputable legends (Pat Militich & Royce Gracie who are also his trainers) have to say about it him, I think we may have something here. Pat M was quoted as saying that based on what he’s seen from Brock in the early stages of his training, he thinks he’ll be unstoppable. That’s saying alot coming from a guy with Pat’s accolades (ex 170lb Champ who trained others to be champs, Franklin, Hughes, Pulver, Poopie). Call me biased but when Brock makes his Elite XC debut Jan 2nd I’m expecting to atleast see s brief flashes of potential greatness. He’s not some guy who came from nowhere & decided to become a Sports Entertainment star. The guys been a freestyle wrestler since his pre-teens & went on to capture the championship in Division I wrestling. As far as discounting an amatuer wrestlers foray into MMA, there are plenty of examples out there with positive outcomes. Couture is a shining example of such & one than cannot be overlooked. Let’s wait to see what happens. If he sucks, then oh well, we saw it coming right? If he turns out to be a beast (my opinion) then we can say that we called it early & the rest of you dont know squat. See, it all works out.[/quote]

Your absolutely right Machine.

I do have to say that Pat and Royce both gave Brock alot of endorsement based on what they have seen. In particular I heard that Brock has the balance of a middleweight and in training has been able to control most of his training partners on the ground even going as far as to say that he powers out of Arm lock and triangle choke attempts.

I will have to reserve judgement until about his 4th fight. I just remember watching him and competing against the Minnisota Goffers when I was on the wrestling team in college and I remember seeing Brock in college and he was a monster

[quote comment=”58631″][quote comment=”58585″]Getting Angle in the cage would be stupid on both sides. Kurt has no training in the sport apart from his amatuer days, no stand up and no submissions. It would be dangerous. If anythinh was to happen to Kurt, the papers would be all over it.[/quote]
Obviously the Olympic Hero has never slapped his patented Angle Lock on you. He won’t just beat you. He’ll make you tap. Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.[/quote]

Kurt does have some submissions, Key locks, etc just not as many as you would like. There was a time when Kurt had what they call a “shoot” moment on WWE TV against one of the Tuff Enough guys. I forgot the Tuff Enough Guys name but the angle was that Kurt Angle was challenging people to the Kurt Angle invitational where he promised to beat the guy in 60 seconds, The Tuff Enough kid put Kurt in a Kimora I beleive and Kurt almost tapped out. It wasn’t till later that we found out that was not rehersed and we would find out that the reason why the Tuff Enough kid (who turned out to be an aspiring MMA fighter) did that was in retaliation for Angle breaking the ribs of another Tuff Enough contestant and his general attitude towards the Tuff Enough kids.

[quote post=”2145″]I forgot the Tuff Enough Guys name[/quote]

Bizarro, it was Daniel Puder. He’s fighting in a smaller MMA promotion currently but I’m not sure which.

Also, that’s pretty cool that you were able to see Brock wrestle in college before he became a mainstream name.

[quote post=”2145″]More half naked ladies, catch phrases, white trash… that could change.[/quote]
Rachelle Leah, Chuck Liddell, Dana White.

rofl….

Kurt Angle is in a lot of trouble if anyone knows the story..
He was basically tossed from the WWE for a huge huge drug dependency. He is addicted to pain killers of all sorts, needs neck surgeory… Vince McMahon got sick of dealing with doctors, Kurt got pissy and Vince tossed him. (one of my employees is a huge HUGE wrestling fan.) If anyone has seen or heard any of the interveiws with Angle, you would know he is high out of his mind (anyone see Casino Cinema?)

Like I said, the list of drugs he is on makes Bas Rutten’s cabinet look like a ring box. Kurt Angle is in some serious serious physical and mental pain… Im sure he wouldnt even pass a single drug test out of 20…

Btw, I was a wrestling fan growing up, after EC-Dub got bought out, it wasnt worth it anymore. ECW was absolutely the best, most entertaining hour on TV… Bring your own weapon night *Joey Stiles..* ‘He’s got… he’s got… NINTENDO!!’ blah.

It was like backyard wrestling on TV… Soap Operas now cant compete..

I am 41. I have never seen kicks, like I have got, in the UFC. I have trained since I was 9 years old. My father has bugged me for years to get in there (UFC) before I am too old to do it. I am 5′ 6″ & 200lbs. (17″ bicept) I can cut to 170. I know Mr White would freak if he saw what I could do. I hold black belts in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do. I have been studding Jujitsu for 10 years. I am fast, with knockout power from every joint and limb. I know 41 is old for this game, but wouldn’t that be a crowd drawer if the old man was unbeatable? What do you say Dana? I am still nursing a shoulder surgery, but could be ready in a few months. What do you say Dana?

[quote post=”2145″]I am 41. I have never seen kicks, like I have got, in the UFC. I have trained since I was 9 years old. My father has bugged me for years to get in there (UFC) before I am too old to do it. I am 5″² 6″³ & 200lbs. (17″³ bicept) I can cut to 170. I know Mr White would freak if he saw what I could do. I hold black belts in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do. I have been studding Jujitsu for 10 years. I am fast, with knockout power from every joint and limb. I know 41 is old for this game, but wouldn’t that be a crowd drawer if the old man was unbeatable? What do you say Dana? I am still nursing a shoulder surgery, but could be ready in a few months. What do you say Dana?[/quote]

Umm….just curious, is that “BRAZILIAN JIU-JITSU” you’ve been studying for 10 years or traditional Japanese Jiu-Jitsu? Need I even say it - HUGE DIFFERENCE there… And if it is BJJ, what belt do you hold?
Not that it matters of course, we’ve all seen how well the superior Korean styles that you have your Black Belts in (Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do) have absolutely DOMINATED the sport of MMA over the years. Who cares if you’re 41, I say go for it (I know I want to see you “Bring It” to the Octagon!).

[quote comment=”58846″]I am 41. I have never seen kicks, like I have got, in the UFC. I have trained since I was 9 years old. My father has bugged me for years to get in there (UFC) before I am too old to do it. I am 5′ 6″ & 200lbs. (17″ bicept) I can cut to 170. I know Mr White would freak if he saw what I could do. I hold black belts in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do. I have been studding Jujitsu for 10 years. I am fast, with knockout power from every joint and limb. I know 41 is old for this game, but wouldn’t that be a crowd drawer if the old man was unbeatable? What do you say Dana? I am still nursing a shoulder surgery, but could be ready in a few months. What do you say Dana?[/quote]
why dont you try a couple of amutuer fights and see where you get with that. This isn’t Dana’s site either and did you know there was tryouts for the ultimate fighter which was 170 weight class, if there still looking try for that. Good luck man.

[quote comment=”58729″][quote comment=”58631″][quote comment=”58585″]Getting Angle in the cage would be stupid on both sides. Kurt has no training in the sport apart from his amatuer days, no stand up and no submissions. It would be dangerous. If anythinh was to happen to Kurt, the papers would be all over it.[/quote]
Obviously the Olympic Hero has never slapped his patented Angle Lock on you. He won’t just beat you. He’ll make you tap. Oh it’s true. It’s damn true.[/quote]

Kurt does have some submissions, Key locks, etc just not as many as you would like. There was a time when Kurt had what they call a “shoot” moment on WWE TV against one of the Tuff Enough guys. I forgot the Tuff Enough Guys name but the angle was that Kurt Angle was challenging people to the Kurt Angle invitational where he promised to beat the guy in 60 seconds, The Tuff Enough kid put Kurt in a Kimora I beleive and Kurt almost tapped out. It wasn’t till later that we found out that was not rehersed and we would find out that the reason why the Tuff Enough kid (who turned out to be an aspiring MMA fighter) did that was in retaliation for Angle breaking the ribs of another Tuff Enough contestant and his general attitude towards the Tuff Enough kids.[/quote]
i just realised what the bizarro part on your name is. pretty sweet. if its what i think it is lol.

[quote comment=”58846″]I am 41. I have never seen kicks, like I have got, in the UFC. I have trained since I was 9 years old. My father has bugged me for years to get in there (UFC) before I am too old to do it. I am 5′ 6″ & 200lbs. (17″ bicept) I can cut to 170. I know Mr White would freak if he saw what I could do. I hold black belts in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do. I have been studding Jujitsu for 10 years. I am fast, with knockout power from every joint and limb. I know 41 is old for this game, but wouldn’t that be a crowd drawer if the old man was unbeatable? What do you say Dana? I am still nursing a shoulder surgery, but could be ready in a few months. What do you say Dana?[/quote]
I want to believe this, but will play devils advocate.

Ok, first this site is attracting more BS trolls everyday. 2, I’d like to see a 30 lb cut and still have the person coherent. 3, other than the Japanese Jujitsu that you allude to, all of those art forms have been proven ineffective in the ring or Octagon by MOST competitors. ( Lyoto and others aside ). In fact, the Gracies have made it a point of theirs to show what a joke hapkido is, and tae kwon do is for children. You have KO power in every limb and joint? Then you are the first human being to walk the earth that can honestly say that. With the exception of the “you got no chin if you cant see the hook coming” ( Jens Pulver ), this statement is effacing. Every human alive can make this claim and be right. It’s my experience that very few ppl have this ability that you claim, VERY FEW. If you wanna talk MMA fighters at the top of their game, sure. But the average guy who trains in MMA, no way. I call complete bullshit in the post. If you have pics to show you training, tinypic.com is free. Put em up. Either your claims are way overstated, or your totally full of shit. Which is it? And dont go showing a pic of a big guy rolling. We all know who REALLY train BJJ that in a REAL life situation, the bigger you are, the easier you are. You aint posting to a bunch of easily impressed 20 year olds.

Mania, plz dont delete that post. You read the same EXACT story on Sherdog or MMAForum.com and it always turns out to be bullshit. Some person is a black belt in 3 disciplines and comes on a PULBIC forum to seek advice. It’s a look at me, I need attention post. If the guy is for real, he’ll post the pics.

[quote comment=”59167″]Mania, plz dont delete that post. You read the same EXACT story on Sherdog or MMAForum.com and it always turns out to be bullshit. Some person is a black belt in 3 disciplines and comes on a PULBIC forum to seek advice. It’s a look at me, I need attention post. If the guy is for real, he’ll post the pics.[/quote]
if he can prove it i will be highly impressed if no get the Fvck outta here

Can see the future of UFC turning into WFC. This sport is about fighting, not acting, dont wanna hear Sorry after someone gets hit. No WWE wanted. Go rehearse.

[quote comment=”59164″][quote comment=”58846″]I am 41. I have never seen kicks, like I have got, in the UFC. I have trained since I was 9 years old. My father has bugged me for years to get in there (UFC) before I am too old to do it. I am 5′ 6″ & 200lbs. (17″ bicept) I can cut to 170. I know Mr White would freak if he saw what I could do. I hold black belts in Tae Kwon Do, Hapkido, Tang Soo Do. I have been studding Jujitsu for 10 years. I am fast, with knockout power from every joint and limb. I know 41 is old for this game, but wouldn’t that be a crowd drawer if the old man was unbeatable? What do you say Dana? I am still nursing a shoulder surgery, but could be ready in a few months. What do you say Dana?[/quote]
I want to believe this, but will play devils advocate.

Ok, first this site is attracting more BS trolls everyday. 2, I’d like to see a 30 lb cut and still have the person coherent. 3, other than the Japanese Jujitsu that you allude to, all of those art forms have been proven ineffective in the ring or Octagon by MOST competitors. ( Lyoto and others aside ). In fact, the Gracies have made it a point of theirs to show what a joke hapkido is, and tae kwon do is for children. You have KO power in every limb and joint? Then you are the first human being to walk the earth that can honestly say that. With the exception of the “you got no chin if you cant see the hook coming” ( Jens Pulver ), this statement is effacing. Every human alive can make this claim and be right. It’s my experience that very few ppl have this ability that you claim, VERY FEW. If you wanna talk MMA fighters at the top of their game, sure. But the average guy who trains in MMA, no way. I call complete bullshit in the post. If you have pics to show you training, tinypic.com is free. Put em up. Either your claims are way overstated, or your totally full of shit. Which is it? And dont go showing a pic of a big guy rolling. We all know who REALLY train BJJ that in a REAL life situation, the bigger you are, the easier you are. You aint posting to a bunch of easily impressed 20 year olds.[/quote]
If the guy is talking the truth then dont just shit on his parade, the decent thing you could have done was give him a litle advice, i thought out of all of us you might be the one to say something that could have helped him.

lesnar would do good he’s a ncaa wrestling champ and very agile for how big he is he’d have to cut weight but he’d be stronger than any heavyweight just remember when he picked up the big show whos 7′2 500 pounds and thats weird weight to be hoisting up and f’5 ed him only him and goldberg have been able to pick up the big show so i think he would do very good,angles to beat up to do mma

What a challange for lesnar. To fight a guy like “kim” and win. I think that was a give me for anyone. To have a guy with 2win a short notice to showcase your skills just sucks. But i think brock did the best he could. i just wish it was a better fighter. Now i wanna see brock compete with some world class fighters(UFC). Dammit dana if you look at this site sign brock i hate that crap show he’s fighting on. Its more drum playing and entrence than it is a fight a five mile ride in a golf cart and 50thousands step. Dana give brock a contract.

Kurt Angle will destroy everyone in the UFC (Fedor,Crocop,Gabriel Gonzaga,Randy Couture,Rampage) they all get crush by Angle or Brock Lesnar…..

[quote post=”2145″] him and goldberg have been able to pick up the big show[/quote]
Actually in December Bobby Lashley actually body slammed Big Show. Very nice. Brock is huge. I met him twice at a local mall. I was at the show where he F 5′d the Big Show for the first time. I know the wrestlers assist eachother with lifting and whatever, but once the 500 plus pounds is on your shoulders, its all strenth to throw him around. Brock would be by far the strongest competitor to ever compete in the UFC. Him and Angle were always my two favorite wrestlers. Unfortunately I think that Kurt may be a little old and beat up to get into the UFc, but Brock would be great! I want him to whoop Tim Sylvia’s ass!

[quote comment=”86977″][quote post=”2145″] him and goldberg have been able to pick up the big show[/quote]
Actually in December Bobby Lashley actually body slammed Big Show. Very nice. Brock is huge. I met him twice at a local mall. I was at the show where he F 5′d the Big Show for the first time. I know the wrestlers assist eachother with lifting and whatever, but once the 500 plus pounds is on your shoulders, its all strenth to throw him around. Brock would be by far the strongest competitor to ever compete in the UFC. Him and Angle were always my two favorite wrestlers. Unfortunately I think that Kurt may be a little old and beat up to get into the UFc, but Brock would be great! I want him to whoop Tim Sylvia’s ass![/quote]

Brock would be one hell of a fighter in the ufc but angle is on steroids talking loads of S*IT and not backing it up he is only doing it to promote himself. Angle said that chuck liddell is not a wrestler and he obviously is he has the best takedown defence in ufc angle said he could get chuck on his back and pin him in less than 3 minutes yeah right want to see the video go on youtube and type in chuck liddell vs kurt angle.

brock has already fought a ufc hardnut in the shape of tank abbot allbeit was a fake wrestling match;) Big guy tho so alot to work with!

who the hell cares about steriods, god ppl are so lame. honestly i say make them all take steriods. they r not really the best they can really be if they dont take advantage of every tool that can give them that edge. but then when all of them take steriods no one really has that edge, so it would b pointless to even take them. they would cancel each others’ steriods out. think people i just solved ur stupid steriod problem. duh, and it wasnt very hard to come up with either. and i bet in 20 yrs all u cry babies will be like, whaa whaa whaa, no fair hes got a bionic arm, no fair whaa whaa whaa. and ya know what? then i will say well, make them all have bionic enhancements….you see where this is going????? i thought so, so i guess that means if we were smart we should just skip all these steps i have described and fire all the real humans right now and start builing our fighting robots.