“He [Roan Carneiro] is a really good wrestler, really good ground control. I’ve been doing a lot of situational type of stuff as far as my ground work and starting off in a really bad position. He’s pretty good at controlling positions so I’m putting myself in really bad situations and make myself fight out of them. Anytime I face a good grappler like Roan I spend a lot of time starting off in submissions and working my way out, so it should be a really great ground game…. It’s a style difference. I wouldn’t say better, but we both have different styles. He has a very controlling style. He’s a very good wrestler so he’s going to be hard to take down. He does a good job of getting off of his back and getting back on top. He doesn’t open up a lot with elbows and punches and he’s not a huge finisher. He dominates his positions and he actively looks to pass guard, but he doesn’t come up with a lot of submissions. His favorite choke is an anaconda choke. He allows guys to sit up, and baits them, and as they escape he slaps that choke on, so I’m wary of that. I think it should be a match-up of who has the better wrestling and better jiu jitsu.“
– UFCmania-sponsored welterweight Jon Fitch talks about gameplanning for his upcoming opponent Roan Carneiro — with whom many casual UFC fans are unfamiliar — at UFC Fight Night 10 on June 12 at the Seminole Hard Rock Hotel & Casino with MMA52.com.
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This might be one of those ill ground wars like Sanchez/Diaz fight. Sounds like a great match up.
If Fitch wins, is he a contender? Fitch vs Sanchez?
Sounds like Fitch knows this guy’s whole life story. Oh well, more power to ya I guess.
[quote comment=”56964″]If Fitch wins, is he a contender? Fitch vs Sanchez?[/quote]
I would say no, not quite yet. This is his coming out party for the casual fan. Diego v Fitch may be a little too risky for the UFC brass. I think Karo is in this picture if both win and come out without any injuries or suspensions. Remember the UFC thinking on matches, one guy going up and one guy going down and somewhere on the ladder they meet.
Regardless of DS loss to Kos, he is still a top contender. Fitch isnt quite there yet, and while Roan is no pushover by any means, I dont think he vaults to the top 5 with a win. This really isnt that risky of a fight. If Carneiro KO’s Fitch, all other upsets this year will be forgotten.
As long as Fitch doesn’t rely solely on what he expects of Carneiro he should be fine. But it is a season for upsets…
I like BJJ guys who can strike, like say, Nick Diaz or BJ or Fedor. BJJ guys who cant strike, well, their about as one dimensional as boxers who cant grapple. This really is a safe fight for Jon, maybe too much so. It’s a coming out party like I said. He should come out with an impressive victory, the TUF noobs will start howling, some excitement will be gernerated, and then we have a new force at 170, the deepest division the UFC has. Tourney anyone?
take note karo, this is who you train and prepare for an opponent, fitch seems like he’s going to be ready for anything and prepared for victory…
a ww tourney would be fucking awesome!
[quote comment=”57048″]a ww tourney would be fucking awesome![/quote]
Ya know, I dont think we’ll ever see tourneys in America from the UFC. In Japan, a loss doesnt kill a guys career. In tourneys, everyone leaves with a loss except one guy. Here, as in American and on UFCMania, a guy loses and suddenly he’s yesterdays news. I cant see the UFC brass letting 15 of their stars getting tarnished. Maybe in 5 years or so, who knows. To me, tourneys just set up more money making matches afterward, but the UFC doesnt seem to agree.
That is one reason Pride has to stay viable and separate from the UFC.
[quote comment=”57060″][quote comment=”57048″]a ww tourney would be fucking awesome![/quote]
Ya know, I dont think we’ll ever see tourneys in America from the UFC. In Japan, a loss doesnt kill a guys career. In tourneys, everyone leaves with a loss except one guy. Here, as in American and on UFCMania, a guy loses and suddenly he’s yesterdays news. I cant see the UFC brass letting 15 of their stars getting tarnished.
i agree man, thats a horrible way for a fan to think, everyone loses eventually in this sport, people need to stop thinking a fighter is done when he loses…
That’s one of the goofiest pictures I have ever seen.
1 matt serra 1 serra vs. serra vs.
2 gsp 16 spratt fitch
3 matt hughes
4 bj penn 8 fitch vs. fitch
5 koscheck 9 burkman
6 diego
7 karo 4 bj penn vs bj penn vs.
8 fitch 13 joslin bj penn
9 burkman
10 fickett 5 koscheck vs koscheck
11 lytle 12 neer
12 neer
13 joslin 6 diego diego vs.
14 cummo 11 lytle diego
15 marcus davis
16 pete spratt 3 hughes hughes
14 cummo
7 karo karo vs.
10 fickett gsp
2 gsp gsp
15 marcus davis
semis= fitch vs. bj penn and diego vs. gsp
finals= bj penn vs. gsp
champ= george st. pierre
ok, that came out f’ed up
i had top 16 seeds…
first round match ups
1 serra vs.
16 spratt
8 fitch vs.
9 burkman
4 bj penn vs.
13 joslin
5 koscheck vs.
12 fickett
6 diego vs.
11 lytle
3 hughes vs.
14 cummo
7 karo vs.
10 fickett
2 gsp vs.
15 marcus davis
secon round…
1 serra vs.
8 fitch
4 bj penn vs.
5 koscheck
6 diego vs.
3 hughes
7 karo vs.
2 gsp
semis…
8 fitch vs.
4 bj penn
6 diego vs.
2 gsp
final…
bj penn vs. gsp
champ= george st. pierre
[quote comment=”57206″]ok, that came out f’ed up[/quote]
yeah man i only understand the last part
I like that spida. You must worked your butt of on that. Keep an eye on Marcus Davis. Good Talent he has, says Yoda.
another problem would be, what if fitch had to fight koscheck, or any other friend vs. friend that said they wouldn’t fight each other, would those guys not want to enter a tourney like this? i agree with mtufc that a tourney would be awesome, the pride guys put more prestige and meaning behind the tourney’s than winning the belt, winning a tournament like this would be the ultimate in proving endurance, strategy, and preparation, this would be huge over two ppvs, i would love to see it…
[quote comment=”57224″]another problem would be, what if fitch had to fight koscheck, or any other friend vs. friend that said they wouldn’t fight each other, would those guys not want to enter a tourney like this? i agree with mtufc that a tourney would be awesome, the pride guys put more prestige and meaning behind the tourney’s than winning the belt, winning a tournament like this would be the ultimate in proving endurance, strategy, and preparation, this would be huge over two ppvs, i would love to see it…[/quote]
Hey, I’m the guy who did that interview with him and I must say, he was VERY adamant about never fighting Koscheck or Swick.
He said it would “ruin his career for one fight”
He even said he wouldn’t fight Koscheck if he had the title.
But, it’s the same situation as PRIDE in the OWGP. I believe Aleksander was in it, and the winner was supposed to face Fedor. Who know’s what would’ve happened if Aleks ran the table.
[quote comment=”57009″][quote comment=”56964″]If Fitch wins, is he a contender? Fitch vs Sanchez?[/quote]
I would say no, not quite yet. This is his coming out party for the casual fan. Diego v Fitch may be a little too risky for the UFC brass. I think Karo is in this picture if both win and come out without any injuries or suspensions. Remember the UFC thinking on matches, one guy going up and one guy going down and somewhere on the ladder they meet.
Regardless of DS loss to Kos, he is still a top contender. Fitch isnt quite there yet, and while Roan is no pushover by any means, I dont think he vaults to the top 5 with a win. This really isnt that risky of a fight. If Carneiro KO’s Fitch, all other upsets this year will be forgotten.[/quote]
Agreed MTU…..I think were looking at a Fitch/Karo fight before he gets a shot at Sanchez. I could still see Diego deserving a title shot first.
[quote comment=”57275″][quote comment=”57224″]another problem would be, what if fitch had to fight koscheck, or any other friend vs. friend that said they wouldn’t fight each other, would those guys not want to enter a tourney like this? i agree with mtufc that a tourney would be awesome, the pride guys put more prestige and meaning behind the tourney’s than winning the belt, winning a tournament like this would be the ultimate in proving endurance, strategy, and preparation, this would be huge over two ppvs, i would love to see it…[/quote]
Hey, I’m the guy who did that interview with him and I must say, he was VERY adamant about never fighting Koscheck or Swick.
He said it would “ruin his career for one fight”
He even said he wouldn’t fight Koscheck if he had the title.
But, it’s the same situation as PRIDE in the OWGP. I believe Aleksander was in it, and the winner was supposed to face Fedor. Who know’s what would’ve happened if Aleks ran the table.[/quote]
i wonder why he thinks it would ruin his career to fight koscheck, i guess if its not gonna happen then its not gonna happen, that would be a bad ass fight though…i think even an eight man tournament would be badass to see, they don’t even have to fight on the same night even though that would make it a lot more interesting
[quote comment=”57538″][quote comment=”57275″][quote comment=”57224″]another problem would be, what if fitch had to fight koscheck, or any other friend vs. friend that said they wouldn’t fight each other, would those guys not want to enter a tourney like this? i agree with mtufc that a tourney would be awesome, the pride guys put more prestige and meaning behind the tourney’s than winning the belt, winning a tournament like this would be the ultimate in proving endurance, strategy, and preparation, this would be huge over two ppvs, i would love to see it…[/quote]
Hey, I’m the guy who did that interview with him and I must say, he was VERY adamant about never fighting Koscheck or Swick.
He said it would “ruin his career for one fight”
He even said he wouldn’t fight Koscheck if he had the title.
But, it’s the same situation as PRIDE in the OWGP. I believe Aleksander was in it, and the winner was supposed to face Fedor. Who know’s what would’ve happened if Aleks ran the table.[/quote]
i wonder why he thinks it would ruin his career to fight koscheck, i guess if its not gonna happen then its not gonna happen, that would be a bad ass fight though…i think even an eight man tournament would be badass to see, they don’t even have to fight on the same night even though that would make it a lot more interesting[/quote]
He said it’s because of the dynamics at the AKA that it could ruin his career. The prefight, who trains who, who corners who, who sides with who and then after the fight with the winner and loser being in the gym together, and the problems that would come from that.
It would be a good fight, but I think Fitch vs Karo would be even better, I can’t wait until that fight happens! It will be robbery if it doesn’t.
Fitch Vs. Karo.
That would be a good first step up the ladder for Ficth, depending on how Karo does agianst Burkman.
Yeah this is a good one. I would love to see this.
[quote comment=”57009″][quote comment=”56964″]If Fitch wins, is he a contender? Fitch vs Sanchez?[/quote]
I would say no, not quite yet. This is his coming out party for the casual fan. Diego v Fitch may be a little too risky for the UFC brass. I think Karo is in this picture if both win and come out without any injuries or suspensions. Remember the UFC thinking on matches, one guy going up and one guy going down and somewhere on the ladder they meet.
Regardless of DS loss to Kos, he is still a top contender. Fitch isnt quite there yet, and while Roan is no pushover by any means, I dont think he vaults to the top 5 with a win. This really isnt that risky of a fight. If Carneiro KO’s Fitch, all other upsets this year will be forgotten.[/quote]
He already is a contender. He DESTROYED Burkaman, called out Karo and still gets stuck with Roan!? The guy is 18-2, winning 14 in a row and 5-0 in the UFC. It’s hard to fault a guy looking to fight the big names, when they keep ducking him. He would flat out over power Diego & out wrestle/strike Matt Hughes. Put him in there with Serra right now and he would walk out with the belt. Don’t get me wrong, I’m not saying he would walk through anyone, but saying he’s not a contender doesn’t make much sense.
[quote post=”2126″]I’m not saying he would walk through anyone, but saying he’s not a contender doesn’t make much sense.[/quote]
Run down the list of top 10 guys he’s beat to earn contender status.
[quote comment=”57574″]It would be a good fight, but I think Fitch vs Karo would be even better, I can’t wait until that fight happens! It will be robbery if it doesn’t.[/quote]
yeah i would love to see fitch vs. karo, it seems to me like that should have already happened, ufc’s fault i guess, i wonder what kind of effect the outcome of karo/burkman will have on a possible fight between karo and fitch, like if karo loses to burkman would the ufc put him against fitch next or someone weaker, i think if karo wins he will fight fitch next though, as long as fitch gets past carneiro, which i think he will
[quote comment=”57967″][quote post=”2126″]I’m not saying he would walk through anyone, but saying he’s not a contender doesn’t make much sense.[/quote]
Run down the list of top 10 guys he’s beat to earn contender status.[/quote]
Maybe you should read the message again - no one will fight him! It would be easier to run down a list of guys who are ducking him.
[quote post=”2126″]It would be easier to run down a list of guys who are ducking him. [/quote]
Please do so then.
[quote comment=”58042″][quote post=”2126″]It would be easier to run down a list of guys who are ducking him. [/quote]
Please do so then.[/quote]
Diego
Hughes
Karo
Every other top 10 figher who’s had the chance to fight him but has opted out. I understand they think they have everything to lose and nothing to gain because he hasn’t faught any of the top guys. Chicken or Egg…you tell me?
[quote comment=”58187″][quote comment=”58042″][quote post=”2126″]It would be easier to run down a list of guys who are ducking him. [/quote]
Please do so then.[/quote]
Diego
Hughes
Karo
Every other top 10 figher who’s had the chance to fight him but has opted out. I understand they think they have everything to lose and nothing to gain because he hasn’t faught any of the top guys. Chicken or Egg…you tell me?[/quote]
And just for the record…
Win vs Shonie Carter (TKO; Strikes)
Win vs Jeff Joslin (Decision)
Win vs Josh Burkman (Submission; Rear Naked Choke)
Win vs Thiago Alves (TKO; Strikes)
Win vs Kuniyoshi Hironka (Decision)
Win vs Luigi Fiorvanti (Submission; Rear Naked Choke)
He’s been beating the guys that will take the fights. It’s time the UFC gives him the fights he’s been asking for.
Just my $.02
I would have to say that Fitch’s wins in the octagon are more impressive than Sanchez’s.
-Sanchez pretty much lost his fight to Alessio (although the judges, for some odd reason, gave it to DS),
-wasn’t too convincing against Diaz (all major damage was done by Diaz’s upkicks - DS just punched the ground and got take down points),
-Florian was a mismatch (lightweight fighting at 185),
-the win against Karo was impressive.
-the KO of Riggs was luck (yes, if you can’t get a KO consistently, but you get it once, luck has played a role in that one KO — if you mean to win the lottery and do, was it skill?)
Hughes is 1-1 against any top 5 welterweight he has faced(Penn and St Pierre) and was dominated in his wins against the two (and obviously dominated in his losses).
Fitch is a guy who is probably the most under rated fighter in the UFC. How Burkman got the Karo fight before Fitch is beyond me.
How Sanchez is considered a contender after his performance against Alessio is just rediculous. DS just lost to Kos but is still in contention reach?! I don’t get it.