Wow. Nice work Jesse. Serra certainly makes a good argument — and some pretty good sound bytes, too.

serra is a dick and i hope hughes not only beats him, but hurts him, badly, he’s let the title go to his head like he said he wouldn’t and he’s a classless loser, he lost me as a fan already, but every time i hear him talk i dislike him more, this dude won one big fight and now he thinks he has the right to disrespect some of the sports best fighters over and over again, this guy calling matt hughes arrogant is the pot calling the kettle black, he says he earned his shot and all that, but not to me, to me he didn’t earn shit but a chance to fight in the tuf final, which i will always say he lost to chris lytle, you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick…

Serra’s right to be pissed off and he sounds more like a fan than a fighter. GSP was supposed to be the classy alternative to Hughes. The guy who won and lost with dignity. But GSP making excuses and essentially claiming that Serra was not worth training hard and waiting for injuries to heal not only contradicts his pre-fight comments, but is flat out insulting. Look, I don’t think Serra’s going to hold onto the belt for long, but he deserves a lot better than to be insulted. At this level, there are no lucky punches. Even underdogs like Serra are always dangerous and deserve the credit they’re due when they win.

I already said that GSP was talking before the fight about how well he was training and he was injury free. Remember, this fight was already delayed because GSP pulled out from an injury, so don’t say now that if it was Hughes you would have pulled out. He already pulled out on Serra once. Proof that he didn’t want to fight Serra injuredor he would have fought him on the Silva/Lutter card.
This is simply his way of explaining how he lost a fight no one thought was possible. Maybe he wants people to be like “Oh Serra only won cuz GSP was hurt” to save a little face. He got beat. It happens. Deal with it.
Look at Mirko. He admitted he wasn’t use to elbows and the cage, but he said that’s his problem. He went and bought a cage. GSP needs to man up.

Sad to hear and see. I don’t want to believe that this is the same GSP that lost to Serra. I hope this is all a miscommunication between the two champions.

Fighters will never reveal their injuries before a fight. That’s like putting a big bullseye saying hit me here. Way to take the high road with your comments Serra. I’m sure the “Frenchy” comment was necessary.

Man. Sorry about that. We just got creamed. We’re working on the problem — apologies for the downtime.

Remember that english is George’s second language, so maybe the exact wording of what he is trying to say is off a little. But, Serra said that GSP’s entourage was part of the problem, and in the interview, so did GSP as he said he’d made some changes since the fight. I’m just anxious to see the Serra/Hughes fight, in what, 5 months!?!?!? Also, I think that Serra has it right, GSP seems to speak from a script sometimes rather than from his heart. Maybe that’s the language barrier?

serra will never win another fight in the UFC

Man. What an afternoon. I think we are back. Again, sorry about that … totally sucked.

I had planned on never posting again, but I feel that I must. First off, I agree 100% with Spida. Second, Matt Hughes has taken a lot of flack on this site for being arrogant, and all, but GSP seems to be getting a pass. However, I like GSP, and I like it when fighters talk straight, even if it comes off as arrogant. I belive that GSP took him lightly, but that he wanted to show Serra respect before the fight in anticipation of beating him. It did not turn out that way, but in my book, GSP has more class in his pinky than Serra has in his whole body

Serra got lucky against GSP, and he will get his ass handed to him by Hughes. And I know you love this guy, Jesse, but just cause he gives you interviews does not mean that he should get to use this site to spout off like an asshole. In my book, Serra is a couple of notches below Lytle, and he will get absolutely destroyed by Hughes. On top of it, he is an unlikable cheeseball that is not a good representative for the UFC.

gsp pulling out the first fight had nothing to do with him being injured. they needed a reasont pull him out and put him on the next card, otherwise that would not have sold enough ppv buys.

Making excusses for why you lost, and say that you didn’t train because you figured it would be an easy win, is no way for a champion to think. I would be disrepsected if I was Serra. I am still a big GSP fan, and I also like Serra, but I think GSP’s comments were ignorant. He should just stick with “I got KTFO, and now I need to come back from it..which in my opinion might be difficult with him fighting KOS next.

[quote comment="57176"]Man. What an afternoon. I think we are back. Again, sorry about that … totally sucked.[/quote]
Glad to have you back scared me for a second. but if it was hughes, poopie or anybody else throwin around the same excuses Gsp used, people on this site would be sayin alot worse than serra said. Hate to say it but i agree with matt “the midget” serra

St Pierre is obv. trying to back pedal and make excuses to save face. Esp. cuz he knows he wont be fighting either Hughes or Serra until 2008.

But for St Pierre who in every interview said he was 100% healthy and then all of a sudden he was hurt is a copp out. Even if he was hurt, it didnt matter he got caught with a punch to the face that would have put him down regardless. The lack of cardio and/or injury as an excuse is lame b/c he didnt even last long enough in the fight for it to matter (For all those who defend St Pierre I understand, but lets say Tim Sylvia said these same things everyone would crush him but not the great St Pierre.)

To be honest those quotes dont bother me their generic fighter excuses it was the “If i was fighting Matt Hughes I would have pulled out of the fight” Well that means 3 things..

1- You dont respect the UFC championship belt or its fans if you go into a championship fight not ready to fight (Travis Lutter anyone?)

2- You get paid megabucks it shouldnt matter if your fighting Joe Shit the ragman do your job like any professional would. (Would Coture ever “not be ready” to fight for a belt, I think not.)

and

3- Give Serra some sort of respect, the guy is a pro fighter at least know that one lucky punch is the great talent equalizer in the UFC. (Now you know, but if u didnt before you shoulda asked Jens Pulver about the 1 punch equalizer)

Look Im a St Pierre fan I love the guy, but he sure tarnished his image here. I just wish Serra wouldnt have responded so that everyone wouldnt shift their focus to Serra bashing b/c hes not their golden boy St Pierre. But deep down I knw even St Pierre fans are shaking their heads right now whether they like Serra or not.

that boy serra’s acting like a little (and I mean that) bitch right now. In his wildest dreams matt serra knows he can’t see a 100% or maybe 50 % GSP. He knows it. No matter what georges said on a canadian local radio matt serra dropping the f bomb on him is highly uncalled for. As for the frenchy comment I don’t know how americans perceive that word (I’m french). I can’t wait for the rematch to see georges teach that tiny little shit some respect.

All do Respect..Matt Serra is the UFC WELTER WEIGHT CHAMPION..no questions about it..he is great person, fighter, and GJJ instructer, which I know first hand. I ran into Matt at the ring of combat in A/C before his title fight and I said to him ” You’re going to beat GSP, it’s your time”..He looked me right in the eye and said ” I’m going to bring it to him “..Which he did!!! Now GSP is saying all this, he didn’t mention anything before or right after the fight. GSP is claimed to be the future of the sport, but with his new mentality and the way he is sounding..Matt is on point, GSP isn’t Zeus or Van Dame from Bloodsport..he’s a man, a fighter..and as that you win some and you lose some. GSP did not take Serra seriously enough and paid the price..case closed.

So would it have been to better for GSP to go the Karo route, and say BEFORE A TITLE FIGHT that he didn’t take his opponent seriously?

I just to be clear on whether it is GSP’s actions or words that is bothering people.

first off, I am a fan of GSP…To say that he didn’t train like he should have even though he said that he was in great shape before the fight, makes GSP a liar..OH Well…But to say that he would have pulled out if it would have been Matt Hughes..Makes him an asshole in many ways…Even if that were true why would he mention that unless he intended to directly insult, disrespect and uncredit Matt Serra…Showing up to the post fight interview showed a lot of class, but the comments that are coming out of his mouth are making him look like a hypocritical pussy who loses a fight and whines about it…You win some, you lose some and in the fight game NO ONE IS UNSTOPPABLE… NO ONE PERIOD…

[quote post="2134"]You win some, you lose some and in the fight game NO ONE IS UNSTOPPABLE… NO ONE PERIOD… [/quote]

Everyone is saying that they like when fighters talk straaight from the hip. Well, what is Serra doing? Talking straight from the hip. You expect Serra to just sit there and let someone talk shit? Get out of here. He won and he is the champ. For the loser to talk trash and he is just supposed to go on with his life like a chump, na.

I see it this way. if Gsp lost because he didn’t train hard enough for that ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight , that means that matt serra WAS the better man THAT ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight. now do i think Gsp will kill serra next time yes butt serra knocked him out fair and square. Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY

As much as I like GSP, I’d have to agree on Serra on this. Its really sad for GSP who is such a classy guy spouting shit like this. Shut up and train and beat Kos’ hair.

Talk about two sides to the story!!

Lol, the people interviewing here are doing the EXACT SAME THING!!! The interviewer tells GSP, “Oh, yeah, I totally believe you. I’ve been telling anyone who will listen (bla bla bla).” Now GSP is “uncharacteristically shallow”?

Sounds like you played the same game with Serra, before you say here that he should leave it in the cage and get back to training.

I guess it’s not cool for a fighter to act like a pro wrestler (in your opinion, of course), but it’s okay for a journalist to act . . . well, like a journalist.

[quote comment="57196"]yeah payne, you’re so right uhhuu, you are so right, that is a really intelligent response[/quote]

what? im just saying i dont think serra will ever win another fight in the ufc….i guess i cant state that opinion?

Rofl, Serra knows he cant beat GSP… Hold on, he ALREADY DID.
I think GSP is a great fighter… as far as his character, who knows? It was a pretty big bitch move for him to say what he said… but the bottom line, dude lost…He isnt an MMA God…

Serra is a dick, he has the common NY dick tude. I can agree with some of his comments, but Spida is right… he talks shit about Hughes, when all Serra does is talk shit. (waits for Serra to come on here and yell at Luppers cause he isnt a fighter.)

I hope Matt Hughes rips ass on GSP and Matt Serra… Hold on, Matt Hughes cant beat a 100% GSP… hold on, he already did.

Freddy, there is no way there was a ‘language barrier..’ GSP speaks better english then 85% of most americans. He knew exactly what was coming out of his mouth, he just didnt expect people to react to it the way they have.

You know how he’s french? He surrendered to an Italian.
Talk about losing all the respect in the world. This is getting too close for pro-wrestling for me.
You know Why I’d rather see a fight with Randy Couture, Royce Gracie, Big Nog, Fedor (I could continue this list), They don’t talk a lot of shit. I’d rather watch a fight in which they lose, than watch two idiots talk smack on a reality tv show.

Maybe they’ll bring in GSP and Karo’s team as the third and fourth team. That tasted bad even typing it.

Man, you guys jumped my shit when I said that same thing when the GSP article came out. Like Serra said, he lives by the teleprompter. Now, he’s in Canada, on a friendly radio show, and the real GSP comes out. This dude is as arrogant as Hughes. At least Matt’s story never changes. I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.

I meant move back up to WW. Why do I see my typos….

Just one more thing. Has anybody here ever said something stupid that they wished they could get back? Ever? Maybe GSP wishes that he could clarify or take back his disrepectful comments about Serra. Serra did seem to blow up a bit, though.

[quote comment="57213"]I see it this way. if Gsp lost because he didn’t train hard enough for that ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight , that means that matt serra WAS the better man THAT ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight. now do i think Gsp will kill serra next time yes butt serra knocked him out fair and square. Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY[/quote]

yes, i agree with this

[quote comment="57227"]

Freddy, there is no way there was a ‘language barrier..’ GSP speaks better english then 85% of most americans. He knew exactly what was coming out of his mouth, he just didnt expect people to react to it the way they have.[/quote]
LOL!!!HAHA!! That is one of the funniest things i have ever heard. As a proud student of america’s public school system I AGREE 100%

[quote post="2134"]you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick… [/quote]

Tha Spida Calm down…Talk about overreacting..I’m not saying that Matt serra is a great fighter BUT..saying an ignorant comment like he didn’t deserve this is down right stupid…If you get a propisition to fight the champion and you beat the champion then after that fight I would think it would be okay to make comments like “I deserve this fight” don’t you?? I mean how else can you prove that you were a worthy opponent other than beating the Champ???THERE IS NO OTHER WAY…SO THA SPIDA needs to make sure he is making thought out statements not just typing out of anger towards a fighter..

I’m a huge GSP fan and it is a little disappointing that he didn’t train as hard as he should have. He did go back on what he said for obvious reasons. Why would you say I didn’t train becuase I don’t think that he’ll be that much of a challenge. That would be turned on him and only fuel Serra more. I guess you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I just wish that he would have left it as it was with the interview after the PPV. I don’t lose much respect for him though. Maybe it’s wrong but I do take his age and experience into consideration. He doesn’t have as much life experience as a lot of the other fighters and I don’t think we’ll have to worry about what his comments were after a loss for a very long time after his next fight.

As for Serra, he’s talking like he is the greatest champion of all time. I don’t like the shit that he’s talking and I think that when he talks about people being assholes and arrogant (Hughes) and whatever he said about GSP he does it in a way that makes him look like an asshole. I think he should check his tone becuase he’s only fueling the fire of two people that are going to cave his head in. He did win the title, but if he doesn’t think that he was lucky he’s kidding himself. He did train hard and was prepared and yadda yadda yadda, but 999,999 times out of a million GSP wins that fight.

As for the Frenchy stuff, that’s just weak. That’s pretty uncalled for and totally unnecessary. GSP should make him kiss the fleur des lis on the back of his calf before he lets him tap out if he decides to submit him in a rematch…lol.

[quote comment="57232"]Man, you guys jumped my shit when I said that same thing when the GSP article came out. Like Serra said, he lives by the teleprompter. Now, he’s in Canada, on a friendly radio show, and the real GSP comes out. This dude is as arrogant as Hughes. At least Matt’s story never changes. I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.[/quote]
If you say anything bad about Gsp on this site it is a death sentence. Remember the days after he lost.

Serra’s attitude surely changed after the fight with St. Pierre, at first he was humble and confident, but now he acts rather cocky much like he says his opponents acts. St. Pierre is a young man that has made a few bad decisions, like not traning for his fight with serra and his attitute towards Hughes after during the BJ Penn fight. I think that he will learn from these mistakes get a better PR person to handle his interviews and move on. Hughes is not as classless as Serra makes it seem, he was always gracefull in victory and in defeat, he accepted his lot to BJ Penn and St. Pierre and came back stronger, his bad rep came with a couple of TV clips that can always be taken out of context based on your opinion, but after the St. Pierre fight I did not hear Hughes complain that he was injured or did not train, it was the fans like me who found the excuses for him, I know he can beat Serra and Hughes, on the other hand Serra is acting quite different wanting people to see him as the greatest, but I think defending the title is what gets you respect, which is what guys like St. Pierre and Serra will not get with popularity only, respect for Hughes, at least he didn’t lose it on the first defense (which was against “Mach” Sakurai).

[quote post="2134"]Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY [/quote]

What a mother fucken BAD ASS STATEMENT….

[quote comment="57237"][quote post="2134"]you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick… [/quote]

Tha Spida Calm down…Talk about overreacting..I’m not saying that Matt serra is a great fighter BUT..saying an ignorant comment like he didn’t deserve this is down right stupid…If you get a propisition to fight the champion and you beat the champion then after that fight I would think it would be okay to make comments like “I deserve this fight” don’t you?? I mean how else can you prove that you were a worthy opponent other than beating the Champ???THERE IS NO OTHER WAY…SO THA SPIDA needs to make sure he is making thought out statements not just typing out of anger towards a fighter..[/quote]

i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there

[quote post="2134"]Not only did he claim to have still been injured, he also revealed that he trained for a paltry two weeks and was uncomfortable with his training camp.
The pièce de résistance however, was St. Pierre’s claim that had the fight been against Matt Hughes, he would have pulled out because he was unprepared.
So it’s okay to fight Serra but not Hughes? You don’t have to be a Windtalker to decipher his real message, which I interpret as “A bad GSP is still better than a good Serra.”[/quote]

I hope this does’nt get me banned from posting here but I must kindly take issue with what you have written here

If you go back & listen again to the interview you will find that what GSP actually said is slightly different than what you are depicting in your article.

GSP never said that he was uncomfortable with his training camp. He pointed out that he was uncomfortable with HOW he had trained. I take this to mean that he did not like the methods he was using. There also seemed to be an impression there that he was traveling around a bit more than he’d liked.

As far as the injury is concerned, GSP is merely saying that by the time it had healed enough for him to begin training, there was only a couple of weeks left to train before the fight.

“A bad GSP is still better than a good Serra.” We should all cut him a break on taking Serra lightly. EVERYONE in the MMA WORLD did & Serra himself knew then & knows now (whether he admits it or not) that on paper, he did not stand a chance against GSP. We all know that this was not a matter of opinion prior to the outcome of that fight & I can’t figure out why we’re all trying to pretend otherwise.

These are just my thoughts……feel free to disagree.

I like GSP with the mustache.It’s right out of Gangs of New York.I hope he doesn’t shave it for the Koscheck fight.

[quote post="2134"]At this level, there are no lucky punches[/quote]

right…….

[quote post="2134"]Remember that english is George’s second language, so maybe the exact wording of what he is trying to say is off a little.[/quote]

This is a good point that we all seem to be overlooking.

[quote comment="57232"]I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.[/quote]
I agree with that, but don’t lie…you are a BJ nuthugger… lol

My thoughts:
Hughes=Hillbilly Serra=Prick GSP=nottooffend
I like BJ better at 55 as we have discussed before MTUFC, but he could win either or both 55 and 70.
BJ has crazy BJJ, better than anyone in either division (who else even attempts a gogo), and also has the heaviest hands.
My favorite fight…UFC 46 Penn def. Hillbilly Hughes by RNC. Keep in mind the right hand set up the sub.

I would say Serra makes a legit argument, but GSP will be 170 champ again. Whether GSP underestimated or not 9 out of 10 He wins the fight. I respect Serra but he should really chill out on the commenting back. It’s the NY style that gets the best of him. If Serra truly believes he could throwdown with the best of them, he should just shut up and focus on training.

There’s one thing that I’ve yet to see anyone comment on in any of the threads on this site. GSP stated repeatedly that he learned a HUGE life lesson in taking Serra lightly. When it comes down to it, that’s the underlying theme here. He took Serra lightly & paid dearly for it.

ig·no·rant
—adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

my opinion that serra didn’t deserve the shot was based on me not thinking he beat chris lytle, obviously i’m not the only one to think this since it was a SPLIT decision, that means that a professional judge agreed with me, i would say his/her opinion is not lacking in knowledge or training or they wouldn’t be scoring a tuf final fight, so being the same as this professional who is trained and knowledgeable on this subject would prove my opinion to not be ignorant…

I agree Spida…I feel Lytle pulled the victory back when. As for the GSP fight as I have said many times. GSP wins 9 out of 10. I hope he beats Hughes because I actually dislike Hughes more than I do Serra

dude st. pierre will destroy dat little gay prick Serra. Serra has no class He is a loser with a skinny winner n his lame with no game. Go GSP u can talk all that shit cause u back it up with yo fist…………

No lucky punch Serra has power in his hands he has displayed that before, Gsp dose need to man up, his fans losing more and more respect for him. As for Serra vs Hughes i think it will be an exciting fight, but Serra will take it in the end.

I’m getting tired of people bitching and moaning about every tirade, challenge, insult or off-hand comment made by fighters. What do we want from these guys? There’s this raging debate over who does or does not have this undefined sense of class or decorum. Hughes is arrogant; GSP is a liar making excuses; Serra is a dick; Karo’s a legend in his own mind. Sometimes I wonder what the model is we expect from fighters. What’s the proper way to respond to another figher talking trash? When does an explanation of why you lost veer into making excuses? When can you discuss an injury: before or after the fight or ever at all? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? It seems like everyone would be happier if fighters never granted interviews at all. So, if GSP is no longer an example of what we want in a fighter, in and out of the ring, who is? Who is the guy that new fighters should look to in taking cues on how to behave?

[quote post="2134"]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)

It will be funny if Serra holds that belt for a long time!

[quote comment="57282"][quote post="2134"]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…

GSP shouldve never said anything let the man have his moment, be a stand up guy like you always are. Now all this bullshit, to bad bro, u lost the fuking title on ur 1st defense.. sucks for you.. and it sucks for all the serra haters..because hes keepin the title for a lonnnnnngg and i mean loonnngggg time. he deserves to have the title, he mite not be better then gsp or hughes but he is the champ and give him respect for what he did to get there. And i cant wait for him to punish that asshole matt hughes. and shock the world for a 2nd time so everyone can jump on the serra bandwagon.. .. LONG ISLAND FOR LIFE

[quote comment="57284"][quote comment="57282"][quote post="2134"]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]

There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.

I don’t blame Serra for being upset at the comments, it hurts far more when someone you think is your friend discredits you. I feel sorry for Gsp is a way, the man is put up on a pedestal and in a fish bowl, can’t say anything in anger after the most embarrassing night of his life, has to be perfectly classy at all times. He farts and its on the national inquirer, for all we know he may have been told to read some script before the fight. Might have been being healed enough to train 2 or 3 weeks before the fight but not completely healed, but what else could he do, call off the fight again. The comments he made about not fighting Hughes but willing to fight Serra could have being something he said spur of the moment and then regretted later. Fans are so fickle, the man is human, he gets angry, is hurt, offended, says things he regrets like the rest of us. We all have said stupid things before so don’t act as if you don’t, the man is held up to an impossibly high standard where he can’t even speak him mind. He’s still young and needs to stop trying to please everyone all the time and speak his the truth, good, bad or ugly, because if you don’t it will bite you in the ass later on in life.

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There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

Yeah that fight sucked I remember it was hard to call because neither guy did much, but Serra was the agresser thats big points for the judges

[quote comment="57293"][/quote]

There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

Yeah that fight sucked I remember it was hard to call because neither guy did much, but Serra was the agresser thats big points for the judges[/quote]

[quote comment="57288"][quote comment="57284"][quote comment="57282"][quote post="2134"]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]

There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

then why was it a split decision if there was no way in hell? watch the fight again, lytle won…

[quote post="2134"]dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot… [/quote]
I see what you are saying…that fight was very close and mostly uneventful. Lytle did get a chance against Hughes and fell way short, so really a moot point. If he beats Hughes, guaranteed he is next in line.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the rest of the field is ready for the big boys…Kos? Diego? I’m not sure.

well i’m not sure its a moot point, i think lytle matched up better with gsp than he did with hughes, but regardless of that i think he beat serra and deserved the shot no matter what he did against hughes, and by the way we’ll see how good serra does against hughes…

[quote post="2134"]i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there [/quote]

Point Taken….I also agree with the fact that Matt Serra is no world class fighter..And when I heard Matt Serra was going to fight GSP, I also thought to myself WHAT A JOKE…BUT..looking at the situation from an openminded perception, I can understand why Serra is talking shit..
See, if they were to ask any up and coming contender if they want to fight the champ none would pass up the chance..So the opportunity that Serra was given to fight the champ was decided not by him but by promoters and for him to have capitalized on such an opportunity and knock out the reigning champ in my opinion gives Serra the right to talk shit until PROVEN wrong…The key word is PROVE..

Even though the reality of the matter is that Serra is not in GSP’s league, you cannot discredit a fighter for training harder then you.. GSP could have easily won that fight but he fucked up by not training thats his fault not Serra’s..
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SAYING YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT AT 100% IS A COULD’VE, SHOULD’VE, WOULD’VE SITUATION AND IN THE FIGHT GAME THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHIT..YOU WIN OR LOSE PERIOD..

p.s. Tha Spida sorry if I offended you..Just like to point out that I do respect your opinions and your rebuttles are definetly worth reading…
Please respond to this if you disagree w/ my points..thanks

I can’t blame Serra for being upset.He did what he had to do,and he won.Now GSP is taking that credit away.As a fellow Canadian i’m dissapointed in GSP remarks,I thought he was a bigger person.Anyway I still hate Hughes and I hope Serra puts him to sleep.

[quote comment="57304"]well i’m not sure its a moot point, i think lytle matched up better with gsp than he did with hughes, but regardless of that i think he beat serra and deserved the shot no matter what he did against hughes, and by the way we’ll see how good serra does against hughes…[/quote]

I thnk Serra has a chance. Serra on his back is not like CC on his back. Serra mora than hold his own from that position. Would not surprise me the least bit if he tapped Hughes. Wait, Wait, Wait…Not saying that is what will happen. Just saying I likefor Serra, the Serra/Hughes matchupmore than I liked the Serra/GSP. Other than I am 100% confident Hughes will not be taking a vacation 5-6 weeks out from the fight!

Totally off subject but I guess It’s official guys. UFC 71 weigh in to be broadcast live on ESPN. This is huge fight fans!

Matt Serra is just looking for some respect here that’s all it is. Everyone’s calling his victory over St.Pierre the biggest upset ever in the UFC..heck even Matt Serra thinks it is but he’s not getting much credit for being able to knockout St.Pirre and win the title. Then when St.Pierre starts making excuses why he lost, it takes away from what Matt Serra has accomplishment. The only way Serra will ever get that respect is if he defeats Matt Hughes. Chances are he won’t but that was said when he fought GSP so who knows……….that’s why we buy the PPVs

[quote post="2134"]I’m getting tired of people bitching and moaning about every tirade, challenge, insult or off-hand comment made by fighters. What do we want from these guys? There’s this raging debate over who does or does not have this undefined sense of class or decorum. Hughes is arrogant; GSP is a liar making excuses; Serra is a dick; Karo’s a legend in his own mind. Sometimes I wonder what the model is we expect from fighters. What’s the proper way to respond to another figher talking trash? When does an explanation of why you lost veer into making excuses? When can you discuss an injury: before or after the fight or ever at all? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? It seems like everyone would be happier if fighters never granted interviews at all. So, if GSP is no longer an example of what we want in a fighter, in and out of the ring, who is? Who is the guy that new fighters should look to in taking cues on how to behave?[/quote]

Damn, now I’m all self-concious & what not. Prudent point Hyde.

[quote post="2134"]I don’t blame Serra for being upset at the comments, it hurts far more when someone you think is your friend discredits you. I feel sorry for Gsp is a way, the man is put up on a pedestal and in a fish bowl, can’t say anything in anger after the most embarrassing night of his life, has to be perfectly classy at all times. He farts and its on the national inquirer, for all we know he may have been told to read some script before the fight. Might have been being healed enough to train 2 or 3 weeks before the fight but not completely healed, but what else could he do, call off the fight again. The comments he made about not fighting Hughes but willing to fight Serra could have being something he said spur of the moment and then regretted later. Fans are so fickle, the man is human, he gets angry, is hurt, offended, says things he regrets like the rest of us. We all have said stupid things before so don’t act as if you don’t, the man is held up to an impossibly high standard where he can’t even speak him mind. He’s still young and needs to stop trying to please everyone all the time and speak his the truth, good, bad or ugly, because if you don’t it will bite you in the ass later on in life. [/quote]

First off, GSP is a professional and should be expected to act like one at least in front of the media..The standards that a professional athlete should abide by are not “impossible” and not too high… In fact those “impossibly high standards” as you put it, are the same standards that every classy professional fighter has..

Gsp is only human and should feel free to express himself just not to the whole world..And him saying that he would’ve pulled out if it was a hughes fight is not a spur of the moment comment because we all know that it is probably true..My last point is that if anything will bite him in the ass later on in life it is the fact that when he lost to Serra he acted like a pussy and made comments to discredit a fighter for training harder than he did..WEAK…

F’K Serra~, Go ahead GSP, and Smash Serra to the Ground!..Now i hope Serra can take Hughes so GSP can smash this fool!

*in the snobbiest voice possible; slight english accent*

As I sit here, sipping my beverage & reading every single post within this thread, I am starting to wonder whether any of you people have taken the time out to listen to the GSP interview in it’s entirety.

Using the “f” word with that tone is the same as using the “n” word. I doubt he’d get away with that in N-Y. Serra you’re the champ right; Act like one but start by washing your mouth with soap!

[quote comment="57248"][quote post="2134"]Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY [/quote]

What a mother fucken BAD ASS STATEMENT….[/quote]
Hell yeah it is.
[quote comment="57240"]As for Serra, he’s talking like he is the greatest champion of all time. I don’t like the shit that he’s talking and I think that when he talks about people being assholes and arrogant (Hughes) and whatever he said about GSP he does it in a way that makes him look like an asshole. I think he should check his tone becuase he’s only fueling the fire of two people that are going to cave his head in. He did win the title, but if he doesn’t think that he was lucky he’s kidding himself. He did train hard and was prepared and yadda yadda yadda, but 999,999 times out of a million GSP wins that fight.[/quote]
I ABSOLUTELY agree with this statement. Serra is talking like he has been holding the belt for a while. Dude did a great job, beat a great fighter… but you’re only gonna get the respect after you earn it (unless your GSP… and you cant be respected if you fight with Miletech.)

There’s no way I can believe GSP would ever say such things, so I listened to the Radio show very carefully several times. In my opinion, UFCMania not only got it wrong, UFCMania did GSP a huge disservice with inaccurately reporting what he said. I think UFCMania owes him an apology. You guys have always impressed me with the accuracy of your reportage, and now you need to man-up and admit you made a mistake and print a retraction.

[quote comment="57184"]hey, being a “Frenchy” myself I don’t appreciate this.[/quote]
[quote comment="57196"]yeah payne, you’re so right uhhuu, you are so right, that is a really intelligent response[/quote]
[quote comment="57226"]I step on (da) spiders[/quote]

Who the hell has been posting stuff under my name, total bullshit. I’m not french i’m scottish. UFCMANIA man you need to get passwords for each name i’m so pissed that someone is making comments under my name.

[quote comment="57267"]ig·no·rant
—adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

my opinion that serra didn’t deserve the shot was based on me not thinking he beat chris lytle, obviously i’m not the only one to think this since it was a SPLIT decision, that means that a professional judge agreed with me, i would say his/her opinion is not lacking in knowledge or training or they wouldn’t be scoring a tuf final fight, so being the same as this professional who is trained and knowledgeable on this subject would prove my opinion to not be ignorant…[/quote]

Again point taken, you were just saying that Lytle deserved the fight more than Serra because in “your opinion he beat Serra” UNDERSTOOD..

Serra has the right to be pissed off. GSP totally disrespected him, and I’m glad he got his ass whooped. Hpefully GSP gets alot of shit for his words and goes back to being the cool ass fighter he used to be. Until then I’m pissed.

[quote comment="57284"][quote comment="57282"][quote post="2134"]dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]
Lytle didn’t win cuz he, offensively, he didnt do anything. Definsively he hugged serra for 15 min trying not to lose.

I thought you sounded kinda different lately Bang. At least with my evil opposite they can’t dublicate the blue letters.

[quote comment="57360"]There’s no way I can believe GSP would ever say such things, so I listened to the Radio show very carefully several times. In my opinion, UFCMania not only got it wrong, UFCMania did GSP a huge disservice with inaccurately reporting what he said. I think UFCMania owes him an apology. You guys have always impressed me with the accuracy of your reportage, and now you need to man-up and admit you made a mistake and print a retraction.[/quote]

St. Pierre and his manager said it numerous times since the loss. This is not the only interview in which GSP or Patry bring this up. And when someone intimates that he would have withdrawn from the fight if it were someone else, such as Matt Hughes, then that pretty much says it all. We can play semantics all day. It doesn’t really matter. Serra heard the same things before we even spoke to him — we didn’t fan the flames by making shit up. We just asked Serra how he felt about the recent comments … and it clearly irritates him.

It’s too bad that GSP felt the need to make excuses, but Serra really showed his underbelly with this overreaction. Serra says “I’m so disheartened!” Give me a break. Serra is going to hear much worse than what GSP said before his title reign is over. GSP gave the same kind of excuses that many (if not most) fighters give after a tough loss. If Serra had any self-esteem, he’d see what GSP said as pure disappointment, rather than an attack on Serra’s own abilities.

Serra will be champion until Hughes beats him badly following TUF6. Serra doesn’t have the self-assurance and poise to keep the belt.

[quote comment="57373"]I thought you sounded kinda different lately Bang. At least with my evil opposite they can’t dublicate the blue letters.[/quote]
yeah i was wondering about that “i step on da spider” thing didnt sound like something you would say

i dont care if they fight again georges will kick his ass,serra got lucky

[quote comment="57339"][quote post="2134"]I don’t blame Serra for being upset at the comments, it hurts far more when someone you think is your friend discredits you. I feel sorry for Gsp is a way, the man is put up on a pedestal and in a fish bowl, can’t say anything in anger after the most embarrassing night of his life, has to be perfectly classy at all times. He farts and its on the national inquirer, for all we know he may have been told to read some script before the fight. Might have been being healed enough to train 2 or 3 weeks before the fight but not completely healed, but what else could he do, call off the fight again. The comments he made about not fighting Hughes but willing to fight Serra could have being something he said spur of the moment and then regretted later. Fans are so fickle, the man is human, he gets angry, is hurt, offended, says things he regrets like the rest of us. We all have said stupid things before so don’t act as if you don’t, the man is held up to an impossibly high standard where he can’t even speak him mind. He’s still young and needs to stop trying to please everyone all the time and speak his the truth, good, bad or ugly, because if you don’t it will bite you in the ass later on in life. [/quote]

First off, GSP is a professional and should be expected to act like one at least in front of the media..The standards that a professional athlete should abide by are not “impossible” and not too high… In fact those “impossibly high standards” as you put it, are the same standards that every classy professional fighter has..

Gsp is only human and should feel free to express himself just not to the whole world..And him saying that he would’ve pulled out if it was a hughes fight is not a spur of the moment comment because we all know that it is probably true..My last point is that if anything will bite him in the ass later on in life it is the fact that when he lost to Serra he acted like a pussy and made comments to discredit a fighter for training harder than he did..WEAK…[/quote]
I guess we should tar and feather him for making up excuses for losing, god you need to relax bro.

tim “the lameback” Sylva is having surgery on his excuse.Talkin bout it right after the fight was pathetic. bringin excuses months after the fight?(Gsp) STILL PATHETIC! Not one person including myself has come foward to defend sylva.and Im not askin anybody to. Im sure a bad back hindered his training and how he fought that night. At least we haven’t heard him,or his people, continually make excuses.then again look how captain america handled it, with class, cuz thats who he is

[quote comment="57373"]I thought you sounded kinda different lately Bang. At least with my evil opposite they can’t dublicate the blue letters.[/quote]
how did you get the blue letters for your name, if you dont mind me asking.

It’s just by me putting in my myspace in the website part and write a message to save it.

[quote comment="57350"]Using the “f” word with that tone is the same as using the “n” word. I doubt he’d get away with that in N-Y. Serra you’re the champ right; Act like one but start by washing your mouth with soap![/quote]

Did you really just compare dropping an F-Bomb is the same as a racial slur. My how this thread has gotten out of hand.

Too much ego , and too many big heads lately in the UFC.

[quote comment="57398"][quote comment="57350"]Using the “f” word with that tone is the same as using the “n” word. I doubt he’d get away with that in N-Y. Serra you’re the champ right; Act like one but start by washing your mouth with soap![/quote]

Did you really just compare dropping an F-Bomb is the same as a racial slur. My how this thread has gotten out of hand.[/quote]
did He mean the f-bomb or “frenchy”.doesn’t matter cuz niether applies really

[quote comment="57394"]It’s just by me putting in my myspace in the website part and write a message to save it.[/quote]
so go to myspace and do it there, i’m kind of lost in the explaination lol.

[quote post="2134"]And when someone intimates that he would have withdrawn from the fight if it were someone else, such as Matt Hughes, then that pretty much says it all.[/quote]

Why is it ok for the rest of the planet to “sleep” on a fighter but not allow his opponent the right to the same opinion?

This is GSP’s 1st offense. Let’s cut him some slack & extend him that courtesy. He’s managed to stay a “media darling” for quite awhile now. He’s allowed one slip of the tongue in this instance. After all, wouldnt you want the same courtesy extended to you had you made the same mistake publicly? There sure are alotta people living in glass houses round these parts who are all to willing to throw stones.

Also, for all of you out there trying to make Tim Sylvia & Matt Hughes comparisons. Those guys are repeat offenders. Moving forward, how about we all agree to start comparing apples to apples from now on?

F Serra in the A. He’s not the champ, anyway he’s not the best and he will not repeat any victories, and like a chump he’s running his mouth during his “15 minutes”

Bang where you write this message…see the blue change…open it and change the address…I put in my myspace url (or whatever its called) for the address…then write a message in the box and submit it to save.

I think Serra is getting cockier adn cockier. That belt must be squeesing pasta to his brain.

Serra give WWE a call they need you for next mondays SMACK DOWN.

He is getting to be very arrogant and he can’t see any futher than the tip of his nose…I mean BELT.

I will be cheering for whom ever fights against him next.
Break his Jaw.

my 2 cents!

This type of hype was bound to happen. I hope the sport doesn’t start looking too much like the WWE. If you look at Dana White’s role and recent actions for a few minutes the common story lines and activity is somewhat apparent.

(I.E. Both Vince and Dana play a role in their tv products, they both have verbal public disputes with the fighters and recently we saw the whole drama around the schedule boxing match between Tito and Dana. I think I’ve seen Vince do that as well.

The good aspects of the sport are lost in this kind of BS and it cast an improper projection of the sport onto the TV screen. Don’t get me wrong I love a good show and friendly conflict but this show needs to be as real outside the ring as it is inside the ring. Right now, I don’t believe the story.

These guys are pulling our legs.

hope this works lol.

[quote comment="57410"]Bang where you write this message…see the blue change…open it and change the address…I put in my myspace url (or whatever its called) for the address…then write a message in the box and submit it to save.[/quote]
thanks a million man, hopefully if the imposter strikes again(sounds like a comic) then folk will know who i am.

[quote comment="57411"]I think Serra is getting cockier adn cockier. That belt must be squeesing pasta to his brain.

Serra give WWE a call they need you for next mondays SMACK DOWN.

He is getting to be very arrogant and he can’t see any futher than the tip of his nose…I mean BELT.

I will be cheering for whom ever fights against him next.
Break his Jaw.

my 2 cents![/quote]
Joe I’m happy to see you post, given what I posted 4 minutes afterwards. Wow.

Anyway, George is a much softer presence outside the ring if he is feeding willingly into this display.

On the other hand, it could be that I have over thunk the whole thing. either way these events are very confusing.

[quote comment="57408"][quote post="2134"]And when someone intimates that he would have withdrawn from the fight if it were someone else, such as Matt Hughes, then that pretty much says it all.[/quote]

Why is it ok for the rest of the planet to “sleep” on a fighter but not allow his opponent the right to the same opinion?

This is GSP’s 1st offense. Let’s cut him some slack & extend him that courtesy. He’s managed to stay a “media darling” for quite awhile now. He’s allowed one slip of the tongue in this instance. After all, wouldnt you want the same courtesy extended to you had you made the same mistake publicly? There sure are alotta people living in glass houses round these parts who are all to willing to throw stones.

Also, for all of you out there trying to make Tim Sylvia & Matt Hughes comparisons. Those guys are repeat offenders. Moving forward, how about we all agree to start comparing apples to apples from now on?[/quote]
I agree 100 % machine, kind of what I was trying to say earlier, but you said it better, I especially like the “There sure are alotta people living in glass houses round these parts who are all to willing to throw stones.” I was thinking the same thing.

I love GSP, BUT if he is making stories up like this It is a huge let down…. Id rather see him just beat KOS and maybe a few others if need be and come and bring a “A” game and get the gold back than hear all the Beee Es!

[quote comment="57248"][quote post="2134"]Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY [/quote]

What a mother fucken BAD ASS STATEMENT….[/quote]

Yeah, too bad the pinhead can’t spell, “opportunity”.

[quote comment="57310"][quote post="2134"]i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there [/quote]

Point Taken….I also agree with the fact that Matt Serra is no world class fighter..And when I heard Matt Serra was going to fight GSP, I also thought to myself WHAT A JOKE…BUT..looking at the situation from an openminded perception, I can understand why Serra is talking shit..
See, if they were to ask any up and coming contender if they want to fight the champ none would pass up the chance..So the opportunity that Serra was given to fight the champ was decided not by him but by promoters and for him to have capitalized on such an opportunity and knock out the reigning champ in my opinion gives Serra the right to talk shit until PROVEN wrong…The key word is PROVE..

Even though the reality of the matter is that Serra is not in GSP’s league, you cannot discredit a fighter for training harder then you.. GSP could have easily won that fight but he fucked up by not training thats his fault not Serra’s..
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SAYING YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT AT 100% IS A COULD’VE, SHOULD’VE, WOULD’VE SITUATION AND IN THE FIGHT GAME THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHIT..YOU WIN OR LOSE PERIOD..

p.s. Tha Spida sorry if I offended you..Just like to point out that I do respect your opinions and your rebuttles are definetly worth reading…
Please respond to this if you disagree w/ my points..thanks[/quote]

naw you didn’t offend me man, i love debating this shit, there’s def two wrongs here, serra for the most part is right about gsp changing his story about training and all that, i’m not disagreeing the gsp in wrong there, i just don’t like the way matt serra has carried himself since he won the belt, he all of a sudden thinks his shit don’t stink and everyone should bow down to him and kiss his ass, notice that matt hughes hasn’t said one word about matt serra when serra makes sure every time he’s in front of a camera to point out his hate for hughes, serra is turning himself into the bad guy when most hughes would be, i think people jumped on hughes saying he was a dick and all that when during tuf 4 he kind of joked with gsp and made fun of him a little bit and matt serra (the voice of tuf 4) said he was a dick, so people believed it, the truth to me is that matt hughes deserves respect because he’s earned it and matt serra really has not, i think matt serra has done more things to make him look like an arrogant prick since he won the belt than matt hughes has done in his whole career…

It’s kind of funny how everyone thought GSP would destroy Matt Serra at UFC 69. Before that event everyone loved him.

“Oh yeah man hes a class act”

“This man has my respect”

“Best Welterweight in the game”

When he lost, it shocked the world. Most people were shocked, some were upset, hell some were even pissed as hell.

GSP said that he was training his hardest, and he was at 100% injury free right?

What would have happened if Chuck lost against Tito, and he still revealed the unknown pnemounia?

“Oh Chuck was ill, I bet he would kill Tito if he was at 100%”

“Chuck was sick, simple as that, thats why he lost”

But yet he still risked that belt to prove a point.

I’m just saying GSP is not only a champion, he is a peoples champion with pride. Even if he didnt have an injury, You cant all of a sudden jump the band wagon and hate him. Remember he doesnt fight for himself, he fights for you.

[quote comment="57232"]Man, you guys jumped my shit when I said that same thing when the GSP article came out. Like Serra said, he lives by the teleprompter. Now, he’s in Canada, on a friendly radio show, and the real GSP comes out. This dude is as arrogant as Hughes. At least Matt’s story never changes. I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.[/quote]

Dude, what you said about Penn, Gold man, pure gold. He only gassed ONCE. Against GSP cause he had cage rust, it happens to everyone who is out of the org. for a while. Like yuo said, he had like 3 weeks to prepare for Hughes, man handled him and had no signs of slowing. He does not have an out of shape problem, how did that get started, one fight?

Oh and about GSP, everyone is overreacting, he is still a class act, and has not said anything close to as disrespectful as Serra has just said.

[quote comment="57469"]It’s kind of funny how everyone thought GSP would destroy Matt Serra at UFC 69. Before that event everyone loved him.

“Oh yeah man hes a class act”

“This man has my respect”

“Best Welterweight in the game”

When he lost, it shocked the world. Most people were shocked, some were upset, hell some were even pissed as hell.

GSP said that he was training his hardest, and he was at 100% injury free right?

What would have happened if Chuck lost against Tito, and he still revealed the unknown pnemounia?

“Oh Chuck was ill, I bet he would kill Tito if he was at 100%”

“Chuck was sick, simple as that, thats why he lost”

But yet he still risked that belt to prove a point.

I’m just saying GSP is not only a champion, he is a peoples champion with pride. Even if he didnt have an injury, You cant all of a sudden jump the band wagon and hate him. Remember he doesnt fight for himself, he fights for you.[/quote]

George has the life most guys think about having. He is great at what he does. I however don’t walk around thinking I want to be like George. My support for him is based on my ability to wish i were in his shoes not that i was him. i love my life. Georges experience is not mine but I love the sense of satisfaction I have for his history. Thats the catch of the MMA event, its the event that allows us to be apart of or most basic need. To fight.

my 2 cents.

I hope this does’nt get me banned from posting here but I must kindly take issue with what you have written here

If you go back & listen again to the interview you will find that what GSP actually said is slightly different than what you are depicting in your article.

GSP never said that he was uncomfortable with his training camp. He pointed out that he was uncomfortable with HOW he had trained. I take this to mean that he did not like the methods he was using. There also seemed to be an impression there that he was traveling around a bit more than he’d liked.

As far as the injury is concerned, GSP is merely saying that by the time it had healed enough for him to begin training, there was only a couple of weeks left to train before the fight.

“A bad GSP is still better than a good Serra.” We should all cut him a break on taking Serra lightly. EVERYONE in the MMA WORLD did & Serra himself knew then & knows now (whether he admits it or not) that on paper, he did not stand a chance against GSP. We all know that this was not a matter of opinion prior to the outcome of that fight & I can’t figure out why we’re all trying to pretend otherwise.

These are just my thoughts……feel free to disagree.

I Agree.

I dont have the time to read through all these comments tonite and post each time my name has been called, sorry ya’ll. I was playing poker in Daytona and lost to finish third with K 10 suited againt K 7o ( why he called I have no idea ). I catch a 10 on the flop and he catches runner runner for a str. DAMN POKER!
But I will comment on this one:

“I like BJ better at 55 as we have discussed before MTUFC, but he could win either or both 55 and 70.
BJ has crazy BJJ, better than anyone in either division (who else even attempts a gogo), and also has the heaviest hands.”
( Nick Diaz and Shinya Aoki for 2 ).

Sorry dude, I try to be nice but this statement is so ridiculous, it warrants a serious tongue lashing.

BJJ – If you mean in either division in the UFC you are still wrong ( Diaz and Aoki in Pride are indisputably better than BJ ). In a pure BJJ discussion, Nick Diaz ( ex-UFC ) has by far more wins in BJJ competition, not a Mundial win mind you, but more wins total. Heavy hands? Bj hits like a girl. Fitch, GSP, Sherk, Huerta, Jens, on and on and on have heavier hands. BJ is a great guy whom I totally respect and wish he would stay at WW. If he moves to LW at his size, he will get creamed. He’s older now and facing guys who cut 5-10 lbs vs his cutting 15-20 lbs? He’ll get pwned in his first match in the new UFC.
Even his BJJ is not “world class” in terms of MMA-usage. I will put Joe Lauson’s MMA-style BJJ against BJ’s anytime. No gi in the cage, and winning the Mundials really doesnt mean as much as say winning the ADCC.

I’m getting tired of people bitching and moaning about every tirade, challenge, insult or off-hand comment made by fighters. What do we want from these guys? There’s this raging debate over who does or does not have this undefined sense of class or decorum. Hughes is arrogant; GSP is a liar making excuses; Serra is a dick; Karo’s a legend in his own mind. Sometimes I wonder what the model is we expect from fighters. What’s the proper way to respond to another figher talking trash? When does an explanation of why you lost veer into making excuses? When can you discuss an injury: before or after the fight or ever at all? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? It seems like everyone would be happier if fighters never granted interviews at all. So, if GSP is no longer an example of what we want in a fighter, in and out of the ring, who is? Who is the guy that new fighters should look to in taking cues on how to behave?

Well said, exellent post Hyde.

BJJ – If you mean in either division in the UFC you are still wrong ( Diaz and Aoki in Pride are indisputably better than BJ ). In a pure BJJ discussion, Nick Diaz ( ex-UFC ) has by far more wins in BJJ competition, not a Mundial win mind you, but more wins total. Heavy hands? Bj hits like a girl. Fitch, GSP, Sherk, Huerta, Jens, on and on and on have heavier hands. BJ is a great guy whom I totally respect and wish he would stay at WW. If he moves to LW at his size, he will get creamed. He’s older now and facing guys who cut 5-10 lbs vs his cutting 15-20 lbs? He’ll get pwned in his first match in the new UFC.
Even his BJJ is not “world class” in terms of MMA-usage. I will put Joe Lauson’s MMA-style BJJ against BJ’s anytime. No gi in the cage, and winning the Mundials really doesnt mean as much as say winning the ADCC.

Dude, MTUFC, I don’t even think this is you man, don’t have a clue where your coming from. Are you seriously kidding me? Oh man. I don’t know where to begin with this one. You seriously think he can’t stay at LW? Are you kidding? How would it be more difficult to fight with Sherk and Franca then it would be to fight with GSP and Hughes and them?
If Penn can handle Hughes like an amatuer in this MMA grappling, and outstrike Pierre when he is fresh, I don’t know how you can say the things you were sayin man.

Give me some evidance cuz I completely am lost with what your sayin.
MY evidance.
Before he gassed(and before eye poke) Was out striking GSP, GSP was running around the cage being chased by BJ.
Hughes in most dominante fashion after not being able to pass BJ’s guard, finds his back taken in seconds after a overthrown elbow, that is all it took, an overthrown elbow.
And in the last seconds of Renzo(weight class larger) and BJ, BJ takes the mount possition.
He has some heavy ass hands, not the best, but knocked Hughes silly with that stupid ass hughes smile, Cal Uno out in 5 seconds or whatever, and had GSP backing up like I have never seen.

This is a tough one. I like both Serra and GSP a lot. I think they are both right.

First off, to call GSP a liar for saying that he was healthy and happy with his training in an interview prior to the fight is just plain idiotic. Come on, what the hell is he supposed to say? Would you expect him to highlight his injury and let his opponent know that he wasn’t 100%? There’s no question that GSP was facing a lot of pressure to fight, especially after such a long layoff from his injuries. I’m sure he felt he had to fight and thought he could beat Serra at less than 100%. Hell, the entire MMA world thought he could.

Secondly, I understand why Serra is pissed. Dude got no respect before the fight and now must feel like GSP’s comments detract from his hard earned win. He put the work in and won. He deserves the credit.

I think GSP is guilty of poor judgment in being a little too honest, not the script reading alleged by Serra.

They are still my two favorite fighters.

i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there

If you KO the champ you more than proved you deserve to be there.

Sometimes MTUFC, I think you wanna open peoples minds and educate so bad, that you go over the edge and say things im not sure you even believe. I know where your commin from, I want people to be able to appreciate more than just current UFC poster boys as well, but man.
Anyway, I really can’t wait to hear your ex. to back up your argument.

[quote comment="57364"][quote comment="57184"]hey, being a “Frenchy” myself I don’t appreciate this.[/quote]
[quote comment="57196"]yeah payne, you’re so right uhhuu, you are so right, that is a really intelligent response[/quote]
[quote comment="57226"]I step on (da) spiders[/quote]

Who the hell has been posting stuff under my name, total bullshit. I’m not french i’m scottish. UFCMANIA man you need to get passwords for each name i’m so pissed that someone is making comments under my name.[/quote]

i was wondering what i said to piss you off if the i step on spiders was meant at me, but thats f’ed up someone posts under your name…

[quote comment="57511"]I hope this does’nt get me banned from posting here but I must kindly take issue with what you have written here[/quote]

Banned for what – a dissenting opinion? That’s what it’s all about brother.

First off, GSP is a professional and should be expected to act like one at least in front of the media..The standards that a professional athlete should abide by are not “impossible” and not too high… In fact those “impossibly high standards” as you put it, are the same standards that every classy professional fighter has..

Why don’t you give some examples of all these classy professional fighters that are perfect. Ya, all fighters should be big fonies and read from a script, rather than say whats on their mind. A big part of this sport is getting in the mind of your opponent. Have you ever though about the chance GSP is just getting into Sera mind for the next time they meet?

[quote comment="57529"]i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there

If you KO the champ you more than proved you deserve to be there.[/quote]

wow, i guess you missed what i was saying, he deserved the win, but in my opinion did not deserve the shot, chris lytle did

tim “the lameback” Sylva is having surgery on his excuse.Talkin bout it right after the fight was pathetic. bringin excuses months after the fight?(Gsp) STILL PATHETIC! Not one person including myself has come foward to defend sylva.and Im not askin anybody to. Im sure a bad back hindered his training and how he fought that night. At least we haven’t heard him,or his people, continually make excuses.then again look how captain america handled it, with class, cuz thats who he is

GSP should have stuck with what he said the first time,” I trained harder than ever, I’m a 100% , yet I just got my ass handed to me, so don’t expect a different outcome next time”. Good way to market a rematch.

[quote comment="57240"]I’m a huge GSP fan and it is a little disappointing that he didn’t train as hard as he should have. He did go back on what he said for obvious reasons. Why would you say I didn’t train becuase I don’t think that he’ll be that much of a challenge. That would be turned on him and only fuel Serra more. I guess you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I just wish that he would have left it as it was with the interview after the PPV. I don’t lose much respect for him though. Maybe it’s wrong but I do take his age and experience into consideration. He doesn’t have as much life experience as a lot of the other fighters and I don’t think we’ll have to worry about what his comments were after a loss for a very long time after his next fight.

As for Serra, he’s talking like he is the greatest champion of all time. I don’t like the shit that he’s talking and I think that when he talks about people being assholes and arrogant (Hughes) and whatever he said about GSP he does it in a way that makes him look like an asshole. I think he should check his tone becuase he’s only fueling the fire of two people that are going to cave his head in. He did win the title, but if he doesn’t think that he was lucky he’s kidding himself. He did train hard and was prepared and yadda yadda yadda, but 999,999 times out of a million GSP wins that fight.

As for the Frenchy stuff, that’s just weak. That’s pretty uncalled for and totally unnecessary. GSP should make him kiss the fleur des lis on the back of his calf before he lets him tap out if he decides to submit him in a rematch…lol.[/quote]

exactly

i can see where both GSP and Serra are coming from…if i were about to fight someone and i still had an injury…would i lie about it in interviews so my opponent wouldnt know about it? …DAMN RIGHT I WOULD…and you know you all would too…it would be stupid not to…if GSP had let everyone know that he still had an injury, everyone would think he was crazy for letting serra know that he had a weakness…now, is this even true or is GSP making excuses?…i cant say…if he is, im very disappointed in him…but if he isnt..then i totally agree with his decision to lie in interviews to try to protect his title
as far as GSP not training for Serra and taking him lightly…that is completely his fault…he should take every opponent seriously..anything can happen in a fight…i think GSP has learned from this and will never let that happen again…he let everyone telling him he was the greatest get to his head..the guy is only 25..most 25 year olds would hear that and start to believe it..however, i think he has definately learned his lesson
i think GSP was just being honest in the interview about his thoughts on Serra prior to the fight..i do not believe he meant to insult Serra in any way..he was just letting the interviewer and fans know what happened…should he have done it in such a public forum?..no
i do understand why Serra was offended..but going off on a rant and calling GSP “frency” is completely uncalled for and childish..especially when he rips into Hughes for doing similiar things and acting like a bully..that whole rant Serra gave in the interview is exactly what he claims to hate about Hughes…i think he might possibly be feeling like he didnt beat the best GSP…he beat GSP at his worst..and hearing what GSP said maybe reminded him of that
anyway, im still a GSP and Serra fan…Serra a little less because of his unecessary comments…i think all fighters need to relax and just get in the cage and do their job

HAHAHAHHA,,look at this motherfucker he just won GSP and now he starts to talk shit about fighters,,, man….
After that fucking fight i begun to hate Hughes,serra,sherk and other motherfuckers. Sad fight for GSP. GSP will be back and he’l get the shot again.But this fucking smard ass starts to talk shit….
War GSP !!!! come back strong and fuck this two motherfuckers !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ok ok wait a minute,Im sorry I havnt been here to post my infinate wisdom but Im here now,

1,before the fight took place GSP is hardly gonna say in interviews “oh yeah its only Serra so IM only gonna train 2 weeks for the fight”he has to say he is training hard they allways do.

2,I think it was definatly a lucky punch,it certinaly looked like one to me.

I actualy believe what GSP is saying in that interview,he is just being honest.

You know what’s funny?

Rich Franklin, Anyone heard him complain about losing? He admires and respects Anderson.

The French surrender again, with the same excuses. “We weren’t prepared for the fight!”

[quote comment="57284"][quote comment="57282"][quote post="2134"]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]
spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]
dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]
Everyone on that series had UFC experience and the deal was whoever came out on top would get a title shot. In hindsight, that does seem a little unfair- like that speedpass at Disney World where you get to cut in front of everyone. Travis Loser was given a shot at Silva while Rich Franklin is having to pound out stiff competition just to remain in contention for his rematch. Serra eked out the TUF title, got his one in a million shot, pulled a huge upset over an over-confident GSP.
The trash talking going on now is just sour grapes. Maybe GSP is doing it to motivate himself against a guy he doesn’t dislike? And Serra just speaks his mind so he’s probably said more than he meant to. Once it’s out in the media, you can’t take it back.

Ha! I think this thread is what yanked the board down yesterday. Nice pissed off commentary! GSP admitted all this sudden publicity and fame had indeed gotten to his head. He is only 25 years old- so he lost focus and under estimated Serra. Somehow I hope Serra, Hughes and GSP all fight each other again. The bad blood is boiling over. But it probably won’t happen- not all 3.

The fact that Serra is upset over this matter of St.Pierre stating that he didn’t train enough just shows how Serra is handling his future about retaining his title.

Every fighter in the world has the right to say that they did not train enough; or trained too much. A human is in no way superior to another human. They merely have a weakness to be exploited.

When Royce Gracie lost to Matt Hughes; he also stated that he had a training issue. But, nobody saw Matt Hughes having a panic attack over a fight that he clearly won.

Serra needs to relax and focus on his next fight and not spend any time fighting words and the media; if he wants to have any chance of retaining his title. It’s no mystery, the odds are stacked heavily against Serra. He’s got all kinds of guys that want his belt; from Josh Koshcheck to Matt Hughes.

Put your earmuffs on, find your opponent and train hard, but train smart.

[quote post="2134"]In a pure BJJ discussion, Nick Diaz ( ex-UFC ) has by far more wins in BJJ competition[/quote]
What are u smoking? Nick Diaz just got his black belt a few weeks ago BJ Penn won the world BJJ black belt competition and got his black belt in 3 years. No one in the weilterweight or lightweight is on BJs level in BJJ.

I don’t think ot would have mattered whether he trained properly or not, he got caught fair and sqaure with some pretty heavy blows. Trainings got nothing to do with it. It’s happned to Chuck it’s happened to Randy it’s happened to Arlovski. It doesn’t really matter who you are (except for Mark Hunt)you get caught with a good enough punch especially when you are not expecting, you are going down, then it’s down to the fighter to finish you off which is exactly what Serra did.
I have never really been a fan of Serra’s fighting style although the Karo fight was pretty good, but GSP should show a little more respect when talking about his loss instead of going about it the Tim Sylvia way. Bottom line is you could be a better skilled more technical, superior athelte than your opponent, but that will not help you when you get caught with a good enough punch. GSP landed his at the end of the 1st round in his Hughes fight when he nearly finished it, this time Serra did it to him.
Hughes and GSP may well have more ways of beating Serra than he does of beating them, but if he catches either of them again with his heavy hands, they are going down.

This is again hype, I suspect serra loses to hughs… and Koschek loses to GSP than GSP will take on Serra to be #1 contender.

Either way I guess Serra will probably fight GSP right after his title fight.

Serra has run into everyone on their WORST day as he’s been on his BEST day. He needs to zip it. (and get some stilts)

Wow. If a lackluster middleweight division wasn’t bad enough already, it looks to me like the welterweight division is starting to turn into the WWE.

1st you have Diego Sanchez shoving Koscheck for no reason at all, then you have Karo Parisiyan and his HUGE ego, and now you have this unnecessary feud b/w GSP and Serra as well as Serra trying to start shit w/ Matt Hughes.

This brings me to B.J. Penn. After B.J.’s done kicking Lil’ Evil’s ass on June 23, I hope he moves back up to welterweight division because the welterweight division is in DIRE of a REAL person who also happens to be a REAL fighter. B.J. Penn, only you and, as much I much I hate to admit this, Matt Hughes can prevent the welterweight division from going down hill.

As for Karo Parisiyan, I hope Burkman beats him so that the only words in his post-fight interview with Joe Rogan are “He should have trained for me” AND NOTING ELSE.

Off Topic, this is disturbing. Sell your stock.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d8gPYZ2P31o

*DIRE of

I meant to say DIRE need of. I also accidentally misspelled Nothing. I apologize for those errors.

the spida u talk way to much and write way to much , i dont even bother reading ur post.. u suck

Bad blood between fighters is always good and makes for a better fight, who wants to see two friends fight? If they fight again there will be 10 times more excitement and hype.

st.pierre vs. koschek another chance for koschek to display his human blanket abilities. I would venture to say that GSP should presevere from that fight but imagine the consequences of a loss to the blanket. GSP is an icon that they are trying to make the elite fighter for his weightclass and they have succeeded beautifully. Reason being everyone wants to see that fighter with the perfect record who looks unstoppable fight, if he wins they aplaud his athleticism if he loses (like what just happened) it’s ground moving. Either way it’s a ploy to make money at the end of the day thats the goal of the ufc or fighting in general. GSP will still draw huge attention to anyone who understands mma but took a minor step back by his loss and in turn tried to nullify the loss by using excuses so people still hold the belief that he is unbeatable when in shape. As Tim Sylvia showed us previously with his back pedalling comments excuses are like assholes everyone has got one!

[quote post="2134"]Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]
Hey buddy,Couture has that right!!!!! He’s hall of the frame and even after retirement he came back and defeated borring ass fighter Sylvia !!!!
Warrr Couture !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[quote comment="57599"]i can see where both GSP and Serra are coming from…if i were about to fight someone and i still had an injury…would i lie about it in interviews so my opponent wouldnt know about it? …DAMN RIGHT I WOULD…and you know you all would too…it would be stupid not to…if GSP had let everyone know that he still had an injury, everyone would think he was crazy for letting serra know that he had a weakness…now, is this even true or is GSP making excuses?…i cant say…if he is, im very disappointed in him…but if he isnt..then i totally agree with his decision to lie in interviews to try to protect his title
as far as GSP not training for Serra and taking him lightly…that is completely his fault…he should take every opponent seriously..anything can happen in a fight…i think GSP has learned from this and will never let that happen again…he let everyone telling him he was the greatest get to his head..the guy is only 25..most 25 year olds would hear that and start to believe it..however, i think he has definately learned his lesson
i think GSP was just being honest in the interview about his thoughts on Serra prior to the fight..i do not believe he meant to insult Serra in any way..he was just letting the interviewer and fans know what happened…should he have done it in such a public forum?..no
i do understand why Serra was offended..but going off on a rant and calling GSP “frency” is completely uncalled for and childish..especially when he rips into Hughes for doing similiar things and acting like a bully..that whole rant Serra gave in the interview is exactly what he claims to hate about Hughes…i think he might possibly be feeling like he didnt beat the best GSP…he beat GSP at his worst..and hearing what GSP said maybe reminded him of that
anyway, im still a GSP and Serra fan…Serra a little less because of his unecessary comments…i think all fighters need to relax and just get in the cage and do their job[/quote]

i agree with you man, all except being a serra fan, he lost me…

[quote comment="57872"]st.pierre vs. koschek another chance for koschek to display his human blanket abilities. I would venture to say that GSP should presevere from that fight but imagine the consequences of a loss to the blanket. GSP is an icon that they are trying to make the elite fighter for his weightclass and they have succeeded beautifully. Reason being everyone wants to see that fighter with the perfect record who looks unstoppable fight, if he wins they aplaud his athleticism if he loses (like what just happened) it’s ground moving. Either way it’s a ploy to make money at the end of the day thats the goal of the ufc or fighting in general. GSP will still draw huge attention to anyone who understands mma but took a minor step back by his loss and in turn tried to nullify the loss by using excuses so people still hold the belief that he is unbeatable when in shape. As Tim Sylvia showed us previously with his back pedalling comments excuses are like assholes everyone has got one![/quote]
yeah,that will be the hardest fight in GSP’s life.But I think GSP will take it.He has good wrestling ( took down sherk,hughes,trigg…)

[quote comment="57811"]the spida u talk way to much and write way to much , i dont even bother reading ur post.. u suck[/quote]
Can I suck too, because someone ’sucking..’ is so damn cool! Grow a brain, come back and try to apply it. Stupid ass statements like this only make you seem petty and dont add to the conversation.

Can you smeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllll what the Terror is cooking?!

Is there a date rumored yet for the Hughes -v Serra fight? I know they are going to coach TUF6, hope the UFC doesnt try to stall that match until then…

Spida almost always makes very good comments, I for one enjoy ready what he says.

Ops I meant ” reading ” not ready.

[quote comment="57811"]the spida u talk way to much and write way to much , i dont even bother reading ur post.. u suck[/quote]

hahaha, thanks for letting me know

[quote comment="57811"]the spida u talk way to much and write way to much , i dont even bother reading ur post.. u suck[/quote]

you meant too, not to, by the way

[quote comment="57904"]Ops I meant ” reading ” not ready.[/quote]
God damnit! Learn how to spell next time
(joke… my name is Nathan too btw..)

I respect a LOT of people on this site that add to the conversation. The bottom line is, alot of these threads have to do with opinions… you’re not gonna agree with everyone. Spida brings a lot of very good points, and seldom any sort of douchebaggery… dude is ok in my book. But the comment that was thrown at him, Id have said the same thing if it was said towards anyone else on this site that contributes (not that most people dont, but I think everyone gets my point.)

[quote comment="57811"]the spida u talk way to much and write way to much , i dont even bother reading ur post.. u suck[/quote]
Yeah, spida you suck. Why dont you take your intelligent, insightful, funny comments to some other site…

thanks nathan and luppers, i don’t know what that dude’s problem is…maybe its someone else posting under that name like what happened to jason bang yesterday

[quote comment="57924"]thanks nathan and luppers, i don’t know what that dude’s problem is…maybe its someone else posting under that name like what happened to jason bang yesterday[/quote]
What happened to jb yesterday? With the site and down all day, I couldnt keep up with anything.

There’s been some talk in this thread about both Lutter & Serra not deserving their title shots…………It’s true.

If you’d like to try & change my mind about this then anyone who disagree’s needs to post one helluva convincing arguement to do so.

MY LOGIC: In order to have been considered for that season of TUF you had to have had a lack-luster UFC record (5-4 or a 2-2 for ex.) In other words, either you had a couple of bad breaks by facing Top level comp too early in your career or you just could’nt quite perform at your peak when it meant the most or maybe you had a habit of winning fights ( but obviously unable to finish) up until getting caught in a submission or KO’d.

Anyhow, these guys (Serra, Lutter, etc.)fit that discription & landed on the show. So, now you have a show full of fighters that could’nt cut it in the normal rankings all struggling to get that ever-elusive shot at the title. The same title that guys like Diego Sanchez who managed to put 6 straight wins together at the time, Kos (love him or hate him) had 4 straight wins, Nick Diaz had 3 straight wins, etc. These are guys that performed consistently & had already PROVEN that they had EARNED their RANK in the standings.

So, someone please explain to me, how does one fighter who could’nt “cut it” beating another fighter that could’nt “cut it” translate to skipping the line to challenge for the Title?

We all know that it’s a simple case of hyping the show & creating the Underdog which will garner more casual fans so that argument is moot along with any talks about “having a punchers chance” or “well he beat the current Champ so doesnt that prove that he deserved to be there?”, etc.

I’m strictly speaking on EARNING a right to be there over the other PROVEN fighters in their division that are left to toiling it out against other PROVEN fighters in order to climb the ladder towards a Title Shot.

Haha…this thread is getting outta control. I agree and disagree with some people….that’s the whole idea of this right? To get people’s opinions. I think Spida has some great points, I personally enjoy reading his posts. Haha…

As far as Serra goes, what a retard. I can understand why he has taken offense to what GSP said. However, Georges did not intend to “offend” him the way this is playing out. That’s just not GSP, he’s not that kind of guy. The “frenchy” comment is booooooshit. How can he go from saying “Georges St.Pierre is a sweetheart of a guy” to making racial slurs becuase of this. That guy needs to shut-up. Now he’s talking trash to the best two WW in the world and IMO the guy
is not even in the top ten.

I think GSP will realize he screwed up, both in his statements, and in preparring for the fight. People who are hating on GEorges becuase of this loss??? I don’t get it. I think this is best thing that ever happened to him. He will never make this mistake ever again, can’t wait to see back to him DOMINATING ways!! GSP is the shit!@!!!!

.[quote comment="57929"][quote comment="57924"]thanks nathan and luppers, i don’t know what that dude’s problem is…maybe its someone else posting under that name like what happened to jason bang yesterday[/quote]
What happened to jb yesterday? With the site and down all day, I couldnt keep up with anything.[/quote]
[quote comment="57364"][quote comment="57184"]hey, being a “Frenchy” myself I don’t appreciate this.[/quote]
[quote comment="57196"]yeah payne, you’re so right uhhuu, you are so right, that is a really intelligent response[/quote]
[quote comment="57226"]I step on (da) spiders[/quote]

Who the hell has been posting stuff under my name, total bullshit. I’m not french i’m scottish. UFCMANIA man you need to get passwords for each name i’m so pissed that someone is making comments under my name.[/quote]
MTUFC thats what ya missed

[quote comment="57929"][quote comment="57924"]thanks nathan and luppers, i don’t know what that dude’s problem is…maybe its someone else posting under that name like what happened to jason bang yesterday[/quote]
What happened to jb yesterday? With the site and down all day, I couldnt keep up with anything.[/quote]

someone was going on jason bang’s name and saying stupid shit and jason bang came on and said it wasn’t him

so we are going to make fun of people for how the spell on this site now ? is that all you got.. i usually like spidas comments but theres to much, thats all i said. go suck your moms grundle.. how about that one luppers

[quote comment="58002"]so we are going to make fun of people for how the spell on this site now ? is that all you got.. i usually like spidas comments but theres to much, thats all i said. go suck your moms grundle.. how about that one luppers[/quote]
LongIslandGuy, two of the ppl you’re disrespecting are top posters here. They’ve earned their place. They’ve earned there right to do as they please within limits, including making ridiculous statements from time to time. We all do. If everyone agreed, this site wouldnt be any fun. Spida can ramble at times, sure, I have to to speed read his stuff to try and get through them all, but the name calling is childish. Anyone can say you’re wrong and you suck. That’s real intelligent, that brings a lot to the table. I personally cant stand when ppl say they disagree and then dont prove their point.
When the site was down yesterday, it gave me time to work on a something I’ve been dabbling with, and I was checking in with other sites that I used to post on. Lemme tell ya, there is more knowledge here than anywhere else. There is also the least amount of trolling. Can we please keep it that way?

[quote post="2134"]naw you didn’t offend me man, i love debating this shit, there’s def two wrongs here, serra for the most part is right about gsp changing his story about training and all that, i’m not disagreeing the gsp in wrong there, i just don’t like the way matt serra has carried himself since he won the belt, he all of a sudden thinks his shit don’t stink and everyone should bow down to him and kiss his ass, notice that matt hughes hasn’t said one word about matt serra when serra makes sure every time he’s in front of a camera to point out his hate for hughes, serra is turning himself into the bad guy when most hughes would be, i think people jumped on hughes saying he was a dick and all that when during tuf 4 he kind of joked with gsp and made fun of him a little bit and matt serra (the voice of tuf 4) said he was a dick, so people believed it, the truth to me is that matt hughes deserves respect because he’s earned it and matt serra really has not, i think matt serra has done more things to make him look like an arrogant prick since he won the belt than matt hughes has done in his whole career…[/quote]

i 100% agree …I never liked matt serra i was just defending this specific issue..but honestly speaking GSP made a mistake and Matt Serra all in all is an asshole

Agreed im sorry .. ill only express informational opinions.. i like this site and i dont want it to change.. my fault

[quote comment="58019"]Agreed im sorry .. ill only express informational opinions.. i like this site and i dont want it to change.. my fault[/quote]
No problem, and thanks for being a man about it.
Peace, MTU.

Jason Bang … Apologies. I think I all of deleted them … it shouldn’t happen again.

Hey LongIslandguy,

Thank you for the insight on Serra’s ignorance – it’s all just a matter of demographics.

[quote comment="58045"]Hey LongIslandguy,

Thank you for the insight on Serra’s ignorance – it’s all just a matter of demographics.[/quote]
Lol, sorry, but lol again.

[quote comment="58002"]so we are going to make fun of people for how the spell on this site now ? is that all you got.. i usually like spidas comments but theres to much, thats all i said. go suck your moms grundle.. how about that one luppers[/quote]
Dude, I was just making a joke to Nathan… he understood that. Keep your pants on.

Lets try to stay focused on the topic at hand, US vs. Canananadia.

hardy har har

GSP is one of the greatest fighter If u dont like him say it to his face. Ill bet he’ll murder all your asses n when he is done i hope he pisses all over u haters faces… He is my role model people makes excuses we r not God.. n Serra is a f;ck.ng lame champ dat talks a lot of shit. His punch over GSP is 99.99 percent luck!!!! u hear me luck

I love d ufc n sometimes the fight card doesnt even make sense. How can randy fight for belt n how can matt serra fight for d belt all he did is win a TUF show n why is matt hughes get to fight serra for the belt!!!!!!! ALL of them didnt do jack.
I bet u they begged on their knees to Dana white! n probably did something else for d man.. u know

[quote comment="57806"]This is again hype, I suspect serra loses to hughs… and Koschek loses to GSP than GSP will take on Serra to be #1 contender.

Either way I guess Serra will probably fight GSP right after his title fight.[/quote]
That would be sweet, I bet Serra would be sweating his ass off in anticipation of that one, but I can’t see it happening I’m sure they would give Georges an immediate title shot, even though it would be fun watching gsp get some revenge.

[quote comment="57751"][quote post="2134"]In a pure BJJ discussion, Nick Diaz ( ex-UFC ) has by far more wins in BJJ competition[/quote]
What are u smoking? Nick Diaz just got his black belt a few weeks ago BJ Penn won the world BJJ black belt competition and got his black belt in 3 years. No one in the weilterweight or lightweight is on BJs level in BJJ.[/quote]

That’s what ive been saying. Thank you Willet!!

[quote comment="58031"]Jason Bang … Apologies. I think I all of deleted them … it shouldn’t happen again.[/quote]
Thanks man means alot.

Serra IS in the same league as GSP and PROVED it by knocking GSP out… Anymore questions?

[quote comment="58623"]Serra IS in the same league as GSP and PROVED it by knocking GSP out… Anymore questions?[/quote]
If they fought 9 more times and Gsp ko’ed Serra in the first round each time would you still think Serra was in Gsp’s league or would you think there first fight was a fluke? The only thing Serra PROVED is any welter weight really does have a punchers chance. If I ko’ed chuck liddel in a street fight does that mean I’m a better fighter than him?, technically its possible but I would think I was one lucky son of a bitch and run for my life. Serra did win fair and square and Gsp is in the wrong for making excuses for his loss and for his own good should have kept quiet. Serra hasn’t shown me anything that would lead me to believe hes some great fighter, I’ve seen a lot of his fights, hes not that good. Like Diego with his fight with Riggs, not very telling, Randy’s decision win over Tim was very telling, he really showed us what he had. Good for Serra that he won, but hes deluding himself if he thinks it was because of his hard work and training, you don’t become a top striker in a few months, what a joke. Gsp is a much better striker than Serra that just got caught, end of story. Gsps excuses about not training enough are lame, he lost because he got caught period.

[quote comment="57186"]And I know you love this guy, Jesse, but just cause he gives you interviews does not mean that he should get to use this site to spout off like an asshole.[/quote]

I’m sorry you dislike Matt Serra, you’re certainly entitled to, but leave me out of it.

[quote post="2134"]If they fought 9 more times and Gsp ko’ed Serra in the first round each time would you still think Serra was in Gsp’s league or would you think there first fight was a fluke?[/quote]
nathan, you really like that word “fluke”.
I’m not going to bag on you cuz I think your opinion is dead on…Serra is not a better fighter then GSP. However, it is arrogant for any fighter to look past another fighter or think that they cannot be beaten. We discussed this before that anything can and does happen. I think Serra wins 3 or 4 of 10 fights against GSP, not all by KO or TKO either. To say it is a “fluke” is to disrespect his achievement. At this level, no one figher is “unbeatable”. Fedor even will lose to someone eventually. Everyone gets caught sometime, but that doesn’t make it a “fluke”.
You or me on the otherhand KOing Liddell (Nyquill free that is) would be a “fluke”. Hell, make it 100 fights.

[quote post="2134"]GSP is one of the greatest fighter If u dont like him say it to his face. Ill bet he’ll murder all your asses n when he is done i hope he pisses all over u haters faces… He is my role model people makes excuses we r not God.. n Serra is a f;ck.ng lame champ dat talks a lot of shit. His punch over GSP is 99.99 percent luck!!!! u hear me luck [/quote]

I’m the biggest GSP fan there is ,but Sera did follow up perfectly after he had GSP hurt. I can’t say why he lost but it definatly wasn’t luck, and I think GSP realizes that. I think he also realized that he can’t unload on a guy that he likes (”I didn’t feel right, I couldn’t let my punches go”), hence the rivalry he started. Sera calling him “Frenchy”, should about do it. He didn’t lose because of his training (or lack there of) . At this level how is a few more weeks of training going to help you from getting tagged? It’s not like he gassed or anything. Gsp has to come out with more of a fire under his ass, and if starting a feud with Sera is what it takes ,then so be .

[quote comment="59814"][quote post="2134"]GSP is one of the greatest fighter If u dont like him say it to his face. Ill bet he’ll murder all your asses n when he is done i hope he pisses all over u haters faces… He is my role model people makes excuses we r not God.. n Serra is a f;ck.ng lame champ dat talks a lot of shit. His punch over GSP is 99.99 percent luck!!!! u hear me luck [/quote]

I’m the biggest GSP fan there is ,but Sera did follow up perfectly after he had GSP hurt. I can’t say why he lost but it definatly wasn’t luck, and I think GSP realizes that. I think he also realized that he can’t unload on a guy that he likes (”I didn’t feel right, I couldn’t let my punches go”), hence the rivalry he started. Sera calling him “Frenchy”, should about do it. He didn’t lose because of his training (or lack there of) . At this level how is a few more weeks of training going to help you from getting tagged? It’s not like he gassed or anything. Gsp has to come out with more of a fire under his ass, and if starting a feud with Sera is what it takes ,then so be .[/quote]

True dat Gord.

I just watched the penn/serra fight on UFC on demand and it looked like a draw to me, very close. Serra does have heavy hands and definitely isn’t someone to take lightly(to have such a close decision with someone like penn), and he dropped Karo in the first 11 seconds of the fight but Karo wasn’t really hurt like Gsp was. Serra isn’t a joke and taking him lightly is foolish it just takes one of his hard hits and it could be over as GSP can attest. I like GSP more than Serra but Serra is a decent guy overall, a bit of a hot head but hes honest and I admire that quality. GSP does sometimes seem inconsistent and could be more honest and not be so worried about pleasing everyone all the time. Serra got personal, Gsp didn’t if anyone has to apologize about this incident it should be Serra. Calling GSP a pathetic liar, a mental midget and frenchy is rude, Gsp only said what everyone else thought that he could easily beat Serra and he didn’t take him seriously and paid for it. Serra disrespected GSP far more than Gsp disrespected Serra, Serra should apologize to GSP.

Serra metioned his dislike of Hughes and wanting to fight BEFORE he go the belt, which some people seem to be forgetting. I think he went a bit overboard with his comments about GSP though but I think it was definately an insult on GSP’s part to say what he did about his loss the sameway Sylvia came out with his crap. Karo got hit and he recovered GSP didn’t, he lost plain and simple. He needs to get over it and so do a lot of other people. Serra more or less admitted before the fight that GSP was probably the better fighter, but he said all he has to do is think I’m going to do one thing and then I do something else…. that’s exactly what happned. GSP is one of my favourite fighters I never thought much of Serra’s style, but I got to give him respect for taking out GSP, as painful as it for a lot of people, he deserves it.

Well it will be interesting to see if GSP will be back training at Gracie’s

[quote comment="57514"]
“I like BJ better at 55 as we have discussed before MTUFC, but he could win either or both 55 and 70.
BJ has crazy BJJ, better than anyone in either division (who else even attempts a gogo), and also has the heaviest hands.”
( Nick Diaz and Shinya Aoki for 2 ).

Sorry dude, I try to be nice but this statement is so ridiculous, it warrants a serious tongue lashing.

BJJ – If you mean in either division in the UFC you are still wrong ( Diaz and Aoki in Pride are indisputably better than BJ ). In a pure BJJ discussion, Nick Diaz ( ex-UFC ) has by far more wins in BJJ competition, not a Mundial win mind you, but more wins total. Heavy hands? Bj hits like a girl. Fitch, GSP, Sherk, Huerta, Jens, on and on and on have heavier hands.[/quote]
Ha! I can’t believe I missed this until now. I just couldn’t let it go. I usually agree with you MTUFC…in fact I was wondering if this post was really yours.
First, either division refers to LW/WW. BJ can fight at either, at any age, because he is a natural LW. He looks pudgy at WW, but can get the job done…obviously.
Second, BJJ – I wasnt talking about BJJ competitions, but MMA and was specifically discussing UFC LW/WW divisions. Diaz faints the rubber guard, but he would rather stand and talk trash while pounding opponents. His gogo attempt was cutesie and nothing like the Penn/GSP match of 58 and nothing like the triangle in 63 against Hughes. BJs rubber guard is a real threat for subs, not Diaz taking a break on his back.
Last, Hits like a girl? BJ busts up everyone he fights with those heavy hands. Right hand sets up RNC against Hughes at 46, pounds GSP in the first round of 58 and was pounding Hughes before the injury at 63…no injury, he is the reigning LW champ. Diaz punches are arm punches at angles, not KO shots (maybe Lawler). GSP has heavy hands? Huerta throws alot of punches and has a busy style, but mostly GnP tkos and some subs. Sherk, Jens? I dont think so. Plus, Jens has a KO jaw to go with it.
My point being take the top in either division and BJ has superior BJJ and hands…I give GSP better overall striking due to leg strikes.
I will take BJ against the LW contenders Jens, Franca, KenFlo..lol, Huerta and to beat Sherk. That is why I like him at 55.

[quote comment="57175"]serra will never win another fight in the UFC[/quote]
TRUER WERDS NEVER SPOKEN ,DUDE. FRIKIN FLUKE WIN WE ALL KNOW THAT AND SERRA KNOWS WE ALL KNOW THAT. THATS WHY ALL THE EXPLAININ AND JAWIN COMIN FROM HIM.GSP WILL RETURN. HE’S GOT MORE TOOLS THAN THEM ALL, BUT IT’S A MIND MATCH WITH HIM.

anyone agree that St. Pierre (although he is my favorite fighter and has unbelievable skills) might fight with that KO in the back of his mind? He has never been KO’d before in his career. Lucky or not, he still got hit with some bombs and got stopped. Anyone that has been knocked out by someone fights diffently against that opponent. Look at Randy against Chuck. They could fight another five times and I think Chuck knocks him out in most of them. I wouldn’t say it is a sure bet that he runs over Serra if they fight again. Same thing goes if St. Pierre fights Hughes again. He will knock him the f*%k out! Agree?

When is GSP fighting again?

gsp is a greasy cheat!

no he isn’t he didn’t grease himself moron, nurse put a tiny amount on him which made no difference in the fight, he would have smashed you boy penn regardless. Since may 2007 gsp’s victims include….
koscheck- dec
hughes- submission 2nd round (interm champ)
serra- tko 2nd round (2 time welter weight champ)
fitch-dec-(retained belt)
penn-tko 4 round-(retained belt)