Wow. Nice work Jesse. Serra certainly makes a good argument — and some pretty good sound bytes, too.

serra is a dick and i hope hughes not only beats him, but hurts him, badly, he’s let the title go to his head like he said he wouldn’t and he’s a classless loser, he lost me as a fan already, but every time i hear him talk i dislike him more, this dude won one big fight and now he thinks he has the right to disrespect some of the sports best fighters over and over again, this guy calling matt hughes arrogant is the pot calling the kettle black, he says he earned his shot and all that, but not to me, to me he didn’t earn shit but a chance to fight in the tuf final, which i will always say he lost to chris lytle, you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick…

Serra’s right to be pissed off and he sounds more like a fan than a fighter. GSP was supposed to be the classy alternative to Hughes. The guy who won and lost with dignity. But GSP making excuses and essentially claiming that Serra was not worth training hard and waiting for injuries to heal not only contradicts his pre-fight comments, but is flat out insulting. Look, I don’t think Serra’s going to hold onto the belt for long, but he deserves a lot better than to be insulted. At this level, there are no lucky punches. Even underdogs like Serra are always dangerous and deserve the credit they’re due when they win.

I already said that GSP was talking before the fight about how well he was training and he was injury free. Remember, this fight was already delayed because GSP pulled out from an injury, so don’t say now that if it was Hughes you would have pulled out. He already pulled out on Serra once. Proof that he didn’t want to fight Serra injuredor he would have fought him on the Silva/Lutter card.
This is simply his way of explaining how he lost a fight no one thought was possible. Maybe he wants people to be like “Oh Serra only won cuz GSP was hurt” to save a little face. He got beat. It happens. Deal with it.
Look at Mirko. He admitted he wasn’t use to elbows and the cage, but he said that’s his problem. He went and bought a cage. GSP needs to man up.

Sad to hear and see. I don’t want to believe that this is the same GSP that lost to Serra. I hope this is all a miscommunication between the two champions.

Fighters will never reveal their injuries before a fight. That’s like putting a big bullseye saying hit me here. Way to take the high road with your comments Serra. I’m sure the “Frenchy” comment was necessary.

Man. Sorry about that. We just got creamed. We’re working on the problem — apologies for the downtime.

Remember that english is George’s second language, so maybe the exact wording of what he is trying to say is off a little. But, Serra said that GSP’s entourage was part of the problem, and in the interview, so did GSP as he said he’d made some changes since the fight. I’m just anxious to see the Serra/Hughes fight, in what, 5 months!?!?!? Also, I think that Serra has it right, GSP seems to speak from a script sometimes rather than from his heart. Maybe that’s the language barrier?

serra will never win another fight in the UFC

Man. What an afternoon. I think we are back. Again, sorry about that … totally sucked.

I had planned on never posting again, but I feel that I must. First off, I agree 100% with Spida. Second, Matt Hughes has taken a lot of flack on this site for being arrogant, and all, but GSP seems to be getting a pass. However, I like GSP, and I like it when fighters talk straight, even if it comes off as arrogant. I belive that GSP took him lightly, but that he wanted to show Serra respect before the fight in anticipation of beating him. It did not turn out that way, but in my book, GSP has more class in his pinky than Serra has in his whole body

Serra got lucky against GSP, and he will get his ass handed to him by Hughes. And I know you love this guy, Jesse, but just cause he gives you interviews does not mean that he should get to use this site to spout off like an asshole. In my book, Serra is a couple of notches below Lytle, and he will get absolutely destroyed by Hughes. On top of it, he is an unlikable cheeseball that is not a good representative for the UFC.

gsp pulling out the first fight had nothing to do with him being injured. they needed a reasont pull him out and put him on the next card, otherwise that would not have sold enough ppv buys.

Making excusses for why you lost, and say that you didn’t train because you figured it would be an easy win, is no way for a champion to think. I would be disrepsected if I was Serra. I am still a big GSP fan, and I also like Serra, but I think GSP’s comments were ignorant. He should just stick with “I got KTFO, and now I need to come back from it..which in my opinion might be difficult with him fighting KOS next.

[quote comment=”57176″]Man. What an afternoon. I think we are back. Again, sorry about that … totally sucked.[/quote]
Glad to have you back scared me for a second. but if it was hughes, poopie or anybody else throwin around the same excuses Gsp used, people on this site would be sayin alot worse than serra said. Hate to say it but i agree with matt “the midget” serra

St Pierre is obv. trying to back pedal and make excuses to save face. Esp. cuz he knows he wont be fighting either Hughes or Serra until 2008.

But for St Pierre who in every interview said he was 100% healthy and then all of a sudden he was hurt is a copp out. Even if he was hurt, it didnt matter he got caught with a punch to the face that would have put him down regardless. The lack of cardio and/or injury as an excuse is lame b/c he didnt even last long enough in the fight for it to matter (For all those who defend St Pierre I understand, but lets say Tim Sylvia said these same things everyone would crush him but not the great St Pierre.)

To be honest those quotes dont bother me their generic fighter excuses it was the “If i was fighting Matt Hughes I would have pulled out of the fight” Well that means 3 things..

1- You dont respect the UFC championship belt or its fans if you go into a championship fight not ready to fight (Travis Lutter anyone?)

2- You get paid megabucks it shouldnt matter if your fighting Joe Shit the ragman do your job like any professional would. (Would Coture ever “not be ready” to fight for a belt, I think not.)

and

3- Give Serra some sort of respect, the guy is a pro fighter at least know that one lucky punch is the great talent equalizer in the UFC. (Now you know, but if u didnt before you shoulda asked Jens Pulver about the 1 punch equalizer)

Look Im a St Pierre fan I love the guy, but he sure tarnished his image here. I just wish Serra wouldnt have responded so that everyone wouldnt shift their focus to Serra bashing b/c hes not their golden boy St Pierre. But deep down I knw even St Pierre fans are shaking their heads right now whether they like Serra or not.

that boy serra’s acting like a little (and I mean that) bitch right now. In his wildest dreams matt serra knows he can’t see a 100% or maybe 50 % GSP. He knows it. No matter what georges said on a canadian local radio matt serra dropping the f bomb on him is highly uncalled for. As for the frenchy comment I don’t know how americans perceive that word (I’m french). I can’t wait for the rematch to see georges teach that tiny little shit some respect.

All do Respect..Matt Serra is the UFC WELTER WEIGHT CHAMPION..no questions about it..he is great person, fighter, and GJJ instructer, which I know first hand. I ran into Matt at the ring of combat in A/C before his title fight and I said to him ” You’re going to beat GSP, it’s your time”..He looked me right in the eye and said ” I’m going to bring it to him “..Which he did!!! Now GSP is saying all this, he didn’t mention anything before or right after the fight. GSP is claimed to be the future of the sport, but with his new mentality and the way he is sounding..Matt is on point, GSP isn’t Zeus or Van Dame from Bloodsport..he’s a man, a fighter..and as that you win some and you lose some. GSP did not take Serra seriously enough and paid the price..case closed.

So would it have been to better for GSP to go the Karo route, and say BEFORE A TITLE FIGHT that he didn’t take his opponent seriously?

I just to be clear on whether it is GSP’s actions or words that is bothering people.

first off, I am a fan of GSP…To say that he didn’t train like he should have even though he said that he was in great shape before the fight, makes GSP a liar..OH Well…But to say that he would have pulled out if it would have been Matt Hughes..Makes him an asshole in many ways…Even if that were true why would he mention that unless he intended to directly insult, disrespect and uncredit Matt Serra…Showing up to the post fight interview showed a lot of class, but the comments that are coming out of his mouth are making him look like a hypocritical pussy who loses a fight and whines about it…You win some, you lose some and in the fight game NO ONE IS UNSTOPPABLE… NO ONE PERIOD…

[quote post=”2134″]You win some, you lose some and in the fight game NO ONE IS UNSTOPPABLE… NO ONE PERIOD… [/quote]

Everyone is saying that they like when fighters talk straaight from the hip. Well, what is Serra doing? Talking straight from the hip. You expect Serra to just sit there and let someone talk shit? Get out of here. He won and he is the champ. For the loser to talk trash and he is just supposed to go on with his life like a chump, na.

I see it this way. if Gsp lost because he didn’t train hard enough for that ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight , that means that matt serra WAS the better man THAT ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight. now do i think Gsp will kill serra next time yes butt serra knocked him out fair and square. Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY

As much as I like GSP, I’d have to agree on Serra on this. Its really sad for GSP who is such a classy guy spouting shit like this. Shut up and train and beat Kos’ hair.

Talk about two sides to the story!!

Lol, the people interviewing here are doing the EXACT SAME THING!!! The interviewer tells GSP, “Oh, yeah, I totally believe you. I’ve been telling anyone who will listen (bla bla bla).” Now GSP is “uncharacteristically shallow”?

Sounds like you played the same game with Serra, before you say here that he should leave it in the cage and get back to training.

I guess it’s not cool for a fighter to act like a pro wrestler (in your opinion, of course), but it’s okay for a journalist to act . . . well, like a journalist.

[quote comment=”57196″]yeah payne, you’re so right uhhuu, you are so right, that is a really intelligent response[/quote]

what? im just saying i dont think serra will ever win another fight in the ufc….i guess i cant state that opinion?

Rofl, Serra knows he cant beat GSP… Hold on, he ALREADY DID.
I think GSP is a great fighter… as far as his character, who knows? It was a pretty big bitch move for him to say what he said… but the bottom line, dude lost…He isnt an MMA God…

Serra is a dick, he has the common NY dick tude. I can agree with some of his comments, but Spida is right… he talks shit about Hughes, when all Serra does is talk shit. (waits for Serra to come on here and yell at Luppers cause he isnt a fighter.)

I hope Matt Hughes rips ass on GSP and Matt Serra… Hold on, Matt Hughes cant beat a 100% GSP… hold on, he already did.

Freddy, there is no way there was a ‘language barrier..’ GSP speaks better english then 85% of most americans. He knew exactly what was coming out of his mouth, he just didnt expect people to react to it the way they have.

You know how he’s french? He surrendered to an Italian.
Talk about losing all the respect in the world. This is getting too close for pro-wrestling for me.
You know Why I’d rather see a fight with Randy Couture, Royce Gracie, Big Nog, Fedor (I could continue this list), They don’t talk a lot of shit. I’d rather watch a fight in which they lose, than watch two idiots talk smack on a reality tv show.

Maybe they’ll bring in GSP and Karo’s team as the third and fourth team. That tasted bad even typing it.

Man, you guys jumped my shit when I said that same thing when the GSP article came out. Like Serra said, he lives by the teleprompter. Now, he’s in Canada, on a friendly radio show, and the real GSP comes out. This dude is as arrogant as Hughes. At least Matt’s story never changes. I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.

I meant move back up to WW. Why do I see my typos….

Just one more thing. Has anybody here ever said something stupid that they wished they could get back? Ever? Maybe GSP wishes that he could clarify or take back his disrepectful comments about Serra. Serra did seem to blow up a bit, though.

[quote comment=”57213″]I see it this way. if Gsp lost because he didn’t train hard enough for that ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight , that means that matt serra WAS the better man THAT ONE CHAMPIONSHIP fight. now do i think Gsp will kill serra next time yes butt serra knocked him out fair and square. Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY[/quote]

yes, i agree with this

[quote comment=”57227″]

Freddy, there is no way there was a ‘language barrier..’ GSP speaks better english then 85% of most americans. He knew exactly what was coming out of his mouth, he just didnt expect people to react to it the way they have.[/quote]
LOL!!!HAHA!! That is one of the funniest things i have ever heard. As a proud student of america’s public school system I AGREE 100%

[quote post=”2134″]you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick… [/quote]

Tha Spida Calm down…Talk about overreacting..I’m not saying that Matt serra is a great fighter BUT..saying an ignorant comment like he didn’t deserve this is down right stupid…If you get a propisition to fight the champion and you beat the champion then after that fight I would think it would be okay to make comments like “I deserve this fight” don’t you?? I mean how else can you prove that you were a worthy opponent other than beating the Champ???THERE IS NO OTHER WAY…SO THA SPIDA needs to make sure he is making thought out statements not just typing out of anger towards a fighter..

I’m a huge GSP fan and it is a little disappointing that he didn’t train as hard as he should have. He did go back on what he said for obvious reasons. Why would you say I didn’t train becuase I don’t think that he’ll be that much of a challenge. That would be turned on him and only fuel Serra more. I guess you’re damned if you do and damned if you don’t. I just wish that he would have left it as it was with the interview after the PPV. I don’t lose much respect for him though. Maybe it’s wrong but I do take his age and experience into consideration. He doesn’t have as much life experience as a lot of the other fighters and I don’t think we’ll have to worry about what his comments were after a loss for a very long time after his next fight.

As for Serra, he’s talking like he is the greatest champion of all time. I don’t like the shit that he’s talking and I think that when he talks about people being assholes and arrogant (Hughes) and whatever he said about GSP he does it in a way that makes him look like an asshole. I think he should check his tone becuase he’s only fueling the fire of two people that are going to cave his head in. He did win the title, but if he doesn’t think that he was lucky he’s kidding himself. He did train hard and was prepared and yadda yadda yadda, but 999,999 times out of a million GSP wins that fight.

As for the Frenchy stuff, that’s just weak. That’s pretty uncalled for and totally unnecessary. GSP should make him kiss the fleur des lis on the back of his calf before he lets him tap out if he decides to submit him in a rematch…lol.

[quote comment=”57232″]Man, you guys jumped my shit when I said that same thing when the GSP article came out. Like Serra said, he lives by the teleprompter. Now, he’s in Canada, on a friendly radio show, and the real GSP comes out. This dude is as arrogant as Hughes. At least Matt’s story never changes. I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.[/quote]
If you say anything bad about Gsp on this site it is a death sentence. Remember the days after he lost.

Serra’s attitude surely changed after the fight with St. Pierre, at first he was humble and confident, but now he acts rather cocky much like he says his opponents acts. St. Pierre is a young man that has made a few bad decisions, like not traning for his fight with serra and his attitute towards Hughes after during the BJ Penn fight. I think that he will learn from these mistakes get a better PR person to handle his interviews and move on. Hughes is not as classless as Serra makes it seem, he was always gracefull in victory and in defeat, he accepted his lot to BJ Penn and St. Pierre and came back stronger, his bad rep came with a couple of TV clips that can always be taken out of context based on your opinion, but after the St. Pierre fight I did not hear Hughes complain that he was injured or did not train, it was the fans like me who found the excuses for him, I know he can beat Serra and Hughes, on the other hand Serra is acting quite different wanting people to see him as the greatest, but I think defending the title is what gets you respect, which is what guys like St. Pierre and Serra will not get with popularity only, respect for Hughes, at least he didn’t lose it on the first defense (which was against “Mach” Sakurai).

[quote post=”2134″]Serra trained hard and got the upperhand.?Lucky Punch? Luck is when PREPARATION meets OPPURTUNITY [/quote]

What a mother fucken BAD ASS STATEMENT….

[quote comment=”57237″][quote post=”2134″]you didn’t earn shit serra and running your mouth like this is gonna lead to a very short reign as champ, this guy is such an egomaniac that he can’t even handle some interviewer asking about his height being a problem in the cage, he over reacts to everything like everyone should think he’s the greatest fighter of all time and we should all respect him like he’s god…i can’t wait to see hughes punish this prick… [/quote]

Tha Spida Calm down…Talk about overreacting..I’m not saying that Matt serra is a great fighter BUT..saying an ignorant comment like he didn’t deserve this is down right stupid…If you get a propisition to fight the champion and you beat the champion then after that fight I would think it would be okay to make comments like “I deserve this fight” don’t you?? I mean how else can you prove that you were a worthy opponent other than beating the Champ???THERE IS NO OTHER WAY…SO THA SPIDA needs to make sure he is making thought out statements not just typing out of anger towards a fighter..[/quote]

i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there

[quote post=”2134″]Not only did he claim to have still been injured, he also revealed that he trained for a paltry two weeks and was uncomfortable with his training camp.
The pièce de résistance however, was St. Pierre’s claim that had the fight been against Matt Hughes, he would have pulled out because he was unprepared.
So it’s okay to fight Serra but not Hughes? You don’t have to be a Windtalker to decipher his real message, which I interpret as “A bad GSP is still better than a good Serra.”[/quote]

I hope this does’nt get me banned from posting here but I must kindly take issue with what you have written here

If you go back & listen again to the interview you will find that what GSP actually said is slightly different than what you are depicting in your article.

GSP never said that he was uncomfortable with his training camp. He pointed out that he was uncomfortable with HOW he had trained. I take this to mean that he did not like the methods he was using. There also seemed to be an impression there that he was traveling around a bit more than he’d liked.

As far as the injury is concerned, GSP is merely saying that by the time it had healed enough for him to begin training, there was only a couple of weeks left to train before the fight.

“A bad GSP is still better than a good Serra.” We should all cut him a break on taking Serra lightly. EVERYONE in the MMA WORLD did & Serra himself knew then & knows now (whether he admits it or not) that on paper, he did not stand a chance against GSP. We all know that this was not a matter of opinion prior to the outcome of that fight & I can’t figure out why we’re all trying to pretend otherwise.

These are just my thoughts……feel free to disagree.

I like GSP with the mustache.It’s right out of Gangs of New York.I hope he doesn’t shave it for the Koscheck fight.

[quote post=”2134″]At this level, there are no lucky punches[/quote]

right…….

[quote post=”2134″]Remember that english is George’s second language, so maybe the exact wording of what he is trying to say is off a little.[/quote]

This is a good point that we all seem to be overlooking.

[quote comment=”57232″]I think all three are dicks and am ready for Diego or Fitch or Davis or anybody but one of these three. I’m not a huge fan of the guy, but Penn needs to stay out of the 155 div and move back up to LW. Then maybe Dana can give him a title shot with more that 3 weeks to prepare.[/quote]
I agree with that, but don’t lie…you are a BJ nuthugger… lol

My thoughts:
Hughes=Hillbilly Serra=Prick GSP=nottooffend
I like BJ better at 55 as we have discussed before MTUFC, but he could win either or both 55 and 70.
BJ has crazy BJJ, better than anyone in either division (who else even attempts a gogo), and also has the heaviest hands.
My favorite fight…UFC 46 Penn def. Hillbilly Hughes by RNC. Keep in mind the right hand set up the sub.

I would say Serra makes a legit argument, but GSP will be 170 champ again. Whether GSP underestimated or not 9 out of 10 He wins the fight. I respect Serra but he should really chill out on the commenting back. It’s the NY style that gets the best of him. If Serra truly believes he could throwdown with the best of them, he should just shut up and focus on training.

There’s one thing that I’ve yet to see anyone comment on in any of the threads on this site. GSP stated repeatedly that he learned a HUGE life lesson in taking Serra lightly. When it comes down to it, that’s the underlying theme here. He took Serra lightly & paid dearly for it.

ig·no·rant
—adjective
1. lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2. lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3. uninformed; unaware.
4. due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

my opinion that serra didn’t deserve the shot was based on me not thinking he beat chris lytle, obviously i’m not the only one to think this since it was a SPLIT decision, that means that a professional judge agreed with me, i would say his/her opinion is not lacking in knowledge or training or they wouldn’t be scoring a tuf final fight, so being the same as this professional who is trained and knowledgeable on this subject would prove my opinion to not be ignorant…

I agree Spida…I feel Lytle pulled the victory back when. As for the GSP fight as I have said many times. GSP wins 9 out of 10. I hope he beats Hughes because I actually dislike Hughes more than I do Serra

dude st. pierre will destroy dat little gay prick Serra. Serra has no class He is a loser with a skinny winner n his lame with no game. Go GSP u can talk all that shit cause u back it up with yo fist…………

No lucky punch Serra has power in his hands he has displayed that before, Gsp dose need to man up, his fans losing more and more respect for him. As for Serra vs Hughes i think it will be an exciting fight, but Serra will take it in the end.

I’m getting tired of people bitching and moaning about every tirade, challenge, insult or off-hand comment made by fighters. What do we want from these guys? There’s this raging debate over who does or does not have this undefined sense of class or decorum. Hughes is arrogant; GSP is a liar making excuses; Serra is a dick; Karo’s a legend in his own mind. Sometimes I wonder what the model is we expect from fighters. What’s the proper way to respond to another figher talking trash? When does an explanation of why you lost veer into making excuses? When can you discuss an injury: before or after the fight or ever at all? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? It seems like everyone would be happier if fighters never granted interviews at all. So, if GSP is no longer an example of what we want in a fighter, in and out of the ring, who is? Who is the guy that new fighters should look to in taking cues on how to behave?

[quote post=”2134″]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)

It will be funny if Serra holds that belt for a long time!

[quote comment=”57282″][quote post=”2134″]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…

GSP shouldve never said anything let the man have his moment, be a stand up guy like you always are. Now all this bullshit, to bad bro, u lost the fuking title on ur 1st defense.. sucks for you.. and it sucks for all the serra haters..because hes keepin the title for a lonnnnnngg and i mean loonnngggg time. he deserves to have the title, he mite not be better then gsp or hughes but he is the champ and give him respect for what he did to get there. And i cant wait for him to punish that asshole matt hughes. and shock the world for a 2nd time so everyone can jump on the serra bandwagon.. .. LONG ISLAND FOR LIFE

[quote comment=”57284″][quote comment=”57282″][quote post=”2134″]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]

There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.

I don’t blame Serra for being upset at the comments, it hurts far more when someone you think is your friend discredits you. I feel sorry for Gsp is a way, the man is put up on a pedestal and in a fish bowl, can’t say anything in anger after the most embarrassing night of his life, has to be perfectly classy at all times. He farts and its on the national inquirer, for all we know he may have been told to read some script before the fight. Might have been being healed enough to train 2 or 3 weeks before the fight but not completely healed, but what else could he do, call off the fight again. The comments he made about not fighting Hughes but willing to fight Serra could have being something he said spur of the moment and then regretted later. Fans are so fickle, the man is human, he gets angry, is hurt, offended, says things he regrets like the rest of us. We all have said stupid things before so don’t act as if you don’t, the man is held up to an impossibly high standard where he can’t even speak him mind. He’s still young and needs to stop trying to please everyone all the time and speak his the truth, good, bad or ugly, because if you don’t it will bite you in the ass later on in life.

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There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

Yeah that fight sucked I remember it was hard to call because neither guy did much, but Serra was the agresser thats big points for the judges

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There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

Yeah that fight sucked I remember it was hard to call because neither guy did much, but Serra was the agresser thats big points for the judges[/quote]

[quote comment=”57288″][quote comment=”57284″][quote comment=”57282″][quote post=”2134″]but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there[/quote]

spida,
I suppose Lutter didn’t deserve Silva either?
Lutter’s performance and Serra’s win only validates the worth of TUF:Comeback and Dana’s idea to give the winners title fights.
There have been a lot more undeserving title fights made:
Sylvia vs Gan McGee
Arlovski vs Eilers
Arlovski vs Buentello
Franklin vs Quarry
Sylvia vs Couture (43, coming back from retirement and moving up in weight gets a title shot without even 1 tune-up fight and we know how that one turned out)[/quote]

dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot…[/quote]

There is no way in HELL Lytle one that fight. He never let his hands go even though he had boxing experience, and he blew his chances at winning b/c of that. Serra may not have done much else, but from what I remember, he was more agressive than Lytle.[/quote]

then why was it a split decision if there was no way in hell? watch the fight again, lytle won…

[quote post=”2134″]dude, follow what i’m saying, lutter beat the shit out of everyone he fought on that show and won decisively, yes he deserved it, but serra, in my opinion did not beat chris lytle, i felt he was robbed on the scorecards, i felt lytle deserved the shot… [/quote]
I see what you are saying…that fight was very close and mostly uneventful. Lytle did get a chance against Hughes and fell way short, so really a moot point. If he beats Hughes, guaranteed he is next in line.
Unfortunately, I don’t think the rest of the field is ready for the big boys…Kos? Diego? I’m not sure.

well i’m not sure its a moot point, i think lytle matched up better with gsp than he did with hughes, but regardless of that i think he beat serra and deserved the shot no matter what he did against hughes, and by the way we’ll see how good serra does against hughes…

[quote post=”2134″]i’m not saying he didn’t deserve the win, he beat gsp fair and square, i’m just saying i don’t think he deserved the shot, just because he won the fight doesn’t justify that he deserved to be there, there are plenty of fighters who could have beat gsp that night and deserved to be there, i don’t think he beat lytle so i don’t think he truly earned the shot, thats my opinion, its not ignorant, i’m not typing out of anger either, i don’t agree with gsp saying some of the stuff he said, but serra over and over again keeps saying he doesn’t like people for acting one way and then turns around and acts the same way himself, he thinks the world should kiss his ass and in my opinion he hasn’t earned that, not with one big win, one that sure he won, but in my opinion didn’t deserve to be in, not deserve not to win, deserve not to be there [/quote]

Point Taken….I also agree with the fact that Matt Serra is no world class fighter..And when I heard Matt Serra was going to fight GSP, I also thought to myself WHAT A JOKE…BUT..looking at the situation from an openminded perception, I can understand why Serra is talking shit..
See, if they were to ask any up and coming contender if they want to fight the champ none would pass up the chance..So the opportunity that Serra was given to fight the champ was decided not by him but by promoters and for him to have capitalized on such an opportunity and knock out the reigning champ in my opinion gives Serra the right to talk shit until PROVEN wrong…The key word is PROVE..

Even though the reality of the matter is that Serra is not in GSP’s league, you cannot discredit a fighter for training harder then you.. GSP could have easily won that fight but he fucked up by not training thats his fault not Serra’s..
THE BOTTOM LINE IS THAT SAYING YOU LOST BECAUSE YOU WERE NOT AT 100% IS A COULD’VE, SHOULD’VE, WOULD’VE SITUATION AND IN THE FIGHT GAME THAT DOESN’T MEAN SHIT..YOU WIN OR LOSE PERIOD..

p.s. Tha Spida sorry if I offended you..Just like to point out that I do respect your opinions and your rebuttles are definetly worth reading…
Please respond to this if you disagree w/ my points..thanks

I can’t blame Serra for being upset.He did what he had to do,and he won.Now GSP is taking that credit away.As a fellow Canadian i’m dissapointed in GSP remarks,I thought he was a bigger person.Anyway I still hate Hughes and I hope Serra puts him to sleep.

[quote comment=”57304″]well i’m not sure its a moot point, i think lytle matched up better with gsp than he did with hughes, but regardless of that i think he beat serra and deserved the shot no matter what he did against hughes, and by the way we’ll see how good serra does against hughes…[/quote]

I thnk Serra has a chance. Serra on his back is not like CC on his back. Serra mora than hold his own from that position. Would not surprise me the least bit if he tapped Hughes. Wait, Wait, Wait…Not saying that is what will happen. Just saying I likefor Serra, the Serra/Hughes matchupmore than I liked the Serra/GSP. Other than I am 100% confident Hughes will not be taking a vacation 5-6 weeks out from the fight!

Totally off subject but I guess It’s official guys. UFC 71 weigh in to be broadcast live on ESPN. This is huge fight fans!

Matt Serra is just looking for some respect here that’s all it is. Everyone’s calling his victory over St.Pierre the biggest upset ever in the UFC..heck even Matt Serra thinks it is but he’s not getting much credit for being able to knockout St.Pirre and win the title. Then when St.Pierre starts making excuses why he lost, it takes away from what Matt Serra has accomplishment. The only way Serra will ever get that respect is if he defeats Matt Hughes. Chances are he won’t but that was said when he fought GSP so who knows……….that’s why we buy the PPVs

[quote post=”2134″]I’m getting tired of people bitching and moaning about every tirade, challenge, insult or off-hand comment made by fighters. What do we want from these guys? There’s this raging debate over who does or does not have this undefined sense of class or decorum. Hughes is arrogant; GSP is a liar making excuses; Serra is a dick; Karo’s a legend in his own mind. Sometimes I wonder what the model is we expect from fighters. What’s the proper way to respond to another figher talking trash? When does an explanation of why you lost veer into making excuses? When can you discuss an injury: before or after the fight or ever at all? What’s the difference between confidence and arrogance? It seems like everyone would be happier if fighters never granted interviews at all. So, if GSP is no longer an example of what we want in a fighter, in and out of the ring, who is? Who is the guy that new fighters should look to in taking cues on how to behave?[/quote]

Damn, now I’m all self-concious & what not. Prudent point Hyde.

[quote post=”2134″]I don’t blame Serra for being upset at the comments, it hurts far more when someone you think is your friend discredits you. I feel sorry for Gsp is a way, the man is put up on a pedestal and in a fish bow