Prior to UFC 70: “Nations Collide” on April 21 UFC President Dana White indicated in a conference call with reporters that if former UFC heavyweight champion Andrei Arlovski could dispatch of Fabricio Werdum he would earn himself another crack at the title.
What a difference a lackluster performance makes.
According to an article today in the Chicago Sun-Times, White has backed off that statement and now says “The Pitbull” will not get the winner of current champion Randy Couture and Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 74 on August 25.
Here’s the snip:
“UFC president Dana White said that he was disappointed with Chicago-based heavyweight Andrei Arlovski’s victory April 21 and that Arlovski is not next in line for a title shot.”
Arlovski came out strong in the first stanza against Werdum, but seemed to let up off the gas pedal after the Brazilian whacked him with a few crisp punches, including a bitch slap.
As a result, the second and third rounds were dull and cautious — much like the third bout between Arlovski and Tim Sylvia last year.
The crowd reigned down boos when it was announced Arlovski had picked up a unanimous decision after three rounds, and the Belarussian actually apologized inside the Octagon for his careful approach.
Put simply, Arlovski did what he had to do to get the win on the judges scorecards.
Unfortunately for him, the performance didn’t score points with many viewers, as well as his boss.
And I can’t say that I disagree with the decision … imagine that.
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I see an AA vs CC in our very near future.
Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.
[quote comment="54627"]I see an AA vs CC in our very near future.[/quote]
Damn, man, you beat me too it. I was thinking the same thing reading that story.
Wanna see class after winning a bout you know you lost… here it is. Also explains his lackluster performance ending in that vicious KO.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=8PWyOrw6rNg
all in favor for AA v CC, say Aye!
WTF?! AA is not getting a shot because he followed the best strategy in his fight? Well, they can delay giving him his shot all they want. Yes, AA was too cautious in AA vs TS III and it cost him the bout. AA vs TS II was in the same category is Matt Sera KO’ing GSP. So aside from those fights, AA has whipped everyone. He’s going to be champ again. He’ll just be hungrier now that UFC is messing with him.
[quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
Don’t forget Tim Sylvia. Love him or hate him (most hate him), he deserves a shot soon assuming he ends Frank Mir’s disappointing career.
AA vs CC don’t tease me! sign it already! If AA sits back in this fight he will be laying down. I think we are going to see the old AA. Against Cruz and Werdum, AA was too worried of a takedown. Hard to call , but someone is getting KO’ed.
F**k that, Andrei won the fight. I guess if his next 10 straight fights are decisive decision wins, than he will never get another title shot cause Dana only likes knock outs. Douche bag White is losing it. Andrei won his fight, and Crocop got totally dominated, so now their equal in the ranks? It’s total BS. Crocop does not deserve a fight with the rightful #1 contender after a performance like that. He should have to work his way back up, I dont care what he did in pride back in the day cause he looks like shit now! And he looked like shit against Sanchez. I hope Andrei punks him just like Gonzaga did. but I guess if Crocop loses to AA by decision they will say crocop is the #1 contender again, and we’ll see him fight for the belt coming off two straight losses. This pisses me off…
I think AA should fight CC ….that would be a good one…..i would give the edge to arlovski……because hes my favorite heavyweight.
They Both have said they want to fight each other Bloody. Do you care more about seeing a great fight or AA getting the belt back? Personally right now there are very few ‘belts’ I care about, but a great fight is always worth watching.
I’m glad they’re not giving him a title shot yet. In the long run, having boring fights going to decision doesn’t do much for the UFC. The vast majority of fans (including myself) are not going to respond to that in a positive manner. It makes sense for them not to reward passivity. Arlovski could’ve pressed the fight and probably gotten the knockout, but instead coasted to victory. Hopefully he won’t make the same mistake again.
[quote comment="54676"]They Both have said they want to fight each other Bloody. Do you care more about seeing a great fight or AA getting the belt back? Personally right now there are very few ‘belts’ I care about, but a great fight is always worth watching.[/quote]
i agree with this statement totally. i dont have any problems with aa not getting a title shot, as long as its to fight cc for a great match-up not because of a lackluster performance agains’t fw. like i said before it takes two fighters to make a great fight and cc will force andre to fight his best, not backpedal like fw did the whole fight.
I love AA but shame on him. He just himself up to fight CC with his shitty ass fight againt Werdum, and CC lost to Gonzo. I do see this fight actually happens and the winner gets the champ, just like the way most of you guys see it.
Hopefully we’ll see the old AA, or he’ll get clip by CC.
Pardon “he just set himself up”…
AA DID WHAT DANA SAID HE HAD TO DO……….IT’S “BS” , DANA HAS ALWAYS BEEN FAIR BEFORE, WTF…….AA HAS GOT TO BE P**SED OFF……..
Dana, do us all a favour and get AA v CC on UFC 72!
where does Brandon Vera fit into the mix I wonder, anyone? He should be fighting a big name here pretty soon.
CC v AA is the way it has to be then,surely Dana knows this
CC only has 4 fights in the UFC and I am sure Dana knows they gotta be big ones.
I think this is gonna happen.
What a fight that will be with them both hungry as ever but CC would win it I thinks.
[quote comment="54676"]They Both have said they want to fight each other Bloody. Do you care more about seeing a great fight or AA getting the belt back? Personally right now there are very few ‘belts’ I care about, but a great fight is always worth watching.[/quote]
your right i do want to see these two get down, I just don’t think the time is right… aww what am I saying? F**k it put it on 74. After all if there is any other fight Andrei should get besides a title shot, its Crocop… but mark my words, the croation sensation will have a tough time coming back from two consectutive knock outs…
If you watch the older UFC’s Arlovski looks a shadow of the figher that he used to be. I really like Andrei but since his loss to Slyvia he seems to have lost a lot of confidence and that aura of invnicibility that he once had. He needs to thrown a bit of caution to the wind and put in a really good performance for him to shine again. He did get booed a bit at UFC 70 in Manchester but he did say he was sorry to the crowd and everyone cheered him as he is defintely a favourite over here. He also got a really warm reception at the weigh ins.
It’s a real test for both fighters to see where their Really at at this point in their careers. They want to fight, we want them to fight. Now this is a non-title match that would still deserve to be a headlining main event.
if cro cop would have beat gonzaga then arlovski would have been next in line, but now he’s gonna make those two fight each other, i’m sure of it, it seems like if big nog beats herring he’ll get the shot at the winner of gonzaga/couture, but its bullshit dana white is going back on his word, don’t get me wrong i like what dana white does and it probably seems like i’ve been bashing him lately, but he shouldn’t map out the plans like he did and tell a dude if he wins he’ll get a title shot and then go back on his word, it makes him look bad, at least to me…
[quote comment="54641"] AA vs TS II was in the same category is Matt Sera KO’ing GSP. [/quote]
not even close to the same thing, not even close…
[quote comment="54722"]where does Brandon Vera fit into the mix I wonder, anyone?[/quote]
brandon vera doesn’t fit in anywhere until he gets his ass in the octagon and fights, shouldn’t even be mentioned anywhere near a title shot…
This is a professional spectator sport. It is entertainment. Without the fans, the fighters would be fighting in parking lots somewhere. Boring fights will kill the sport. The way to prevent this from happening is to give greater rewards to those who push the pace, making the fight exciting for the fans, and to reward to a lesser degree ,or punish, those who fight a boring style. Arlovski was rewarded with a win on his record. That was what he deserved for that fight, no more.
I think AA deserves a title shot.Just because his last fight wasn’t exciting he still won the fight.I think AA v.s CC would be a better fight than Couture v.s AA.It would be more of a stand and bang kind of fight.
I too don’t feel arlovski deserves a title shot with his last lame performance. Ufc is totally right not to reward fighters who simply try to out point there opponents, one of the worst examples for this has to be diego/koscheck. Koscheck is pissed at not getting a title shot before Hughes? Huh…after the most boring fight of the night…the man is delusional. The silvia/monson fight was also terrible, thank god for randy setting that one straight. Oh and I totally agree with you spider .[quote comment="54759"][quote comment="54641"] AA vs TS II was in the same category is Matt Sera KO’ing GSP. [/quote]
not even close to the same thing, not even close…[/quote]
Like comparing shit to a mars bar not the same. Good comments like usual spida, one of the commentors I almost always agree with.
[quote comment="54766"]This is a professional spectator sport. It is entertainment. Without the fans, the fighters would be fighting in parking lots somewhere. Boring fights will kill the sport. The way to prevent this from happening is to give greater rewards to those who push the pace, making the fight exciting for the fans, and to reward to a lesser degree ,or punish, those who fight a boring style. Arlovski was rewarded with a win on his record. That was what he deserved for that fight, no more.[/quote]
i disagree, because he played by the rules and won the fight that the boss said he had to to get a title shot, what should happen is the ufc should bring in the yellow card system to get rid of boring fights, not go back on their word because they didn’t like how a guy won even though he followed the rules and won fairly, if dana wants it to be all about the spectators and is gonna only reward exciting fights than he shouldn’t promise title shots to the winner, he should change the rules…
Yes dana whiye is such a douchebag that I will always misspell his name. Anyway you people seem to have some good ideas but you all must realize that once nogeria wins the belt it will be with him for awhile. That is if he gets a shot: I’m guessing that Whiyte, being the fucking idoit that he is will somehow get vera to be champ.
Anyway we want hendo or silva vs. lidell
Make the fucking fight happen you douchebag whiyte!1
[quote comment="54640"]all in favor for AA v CC, say Aye![/quote]
aye
Timmy and AA fight not to lose and their fights arent exciting anymore.
I dare say that…
Gonzaga vs Randy C.
J Monson vs Werdum
Kongo vs H. Herring
Frank Mir vs Tim Silvia
Vera vs Loser of Gonzaga& Randy C.
CC vs AA vs Winner of Gonzaga & Randy C.
Loser of CC vs AA takes on Kongo/Herring
Winner of Monson vs Werdum takes on Loser of Mir/Silvia
Winner of Mir/Silvia takes on Future Champ.
By this time Fedor should be ready to make the jump…
Opps…
It should be…
I dare say that…
Gonzaga vs Randy C.
J Monson vs Werdum
Kongo vs H. Herring
Frank Mir vs Tim Silvia
Vera vs Loser of Gonzaga& Randy C.
CC vs AA vs Winner of Gonzaga & Randy C.
Loser of CC vs AA takes on Kongo/Herring
Winner of Monson vs Werdum takes on Loser of Mir/Silvia
Winner of Mir/Silvia takes winner of Vera vs loser (GG & Randy)
(and it should end up CC vs Vera Title fight)
By this time Fedor should be ready to make the jump…
Herring will be gone to another company and Arlovski will be fedors first fight. What a way to make an entrance into the UFC.
So if Mir wins he should get a title shot? Not in my book. Maybe the winner of Monsen/Werdum vs winner of Mir/Silvia then it looks pretty good.
[quote post="2100"]Timmy and AA fight not to lose and their fights arent exciting anymore. [/quote]You got to be kidding me, AA fights not to lose. Your judging his whole career of his last two fights. Did you already forget his slew of first round knockouts? You can’t blaim him for being cautious in the last fight because Wedrum was basically running away from him the whole fight and he knew that he couldn’t let that fight go to the ground. That being said an AA CC fight would be awesome.
I would pay 100 for the payperview headlining Fedor vs Randy.
[quote post="2100"]This is a professional spectator sport. It is entertainment. Without the fans, the fighters would be fighting in parking lots somewhere. Boring fights will kill the sport. The way to prevent this from happening is to give greater rewards to those who push the pace, making the fight exciting for the fans, and to reward to a lesser degree ,or punish, those who fight a boring style. Arlovski was rewarded with a win on his record. That was what he deserved for that fight, no more[/quote]
Rollo, you make a very good point. I would like to add that PART of what killed boxing is exactly what we saw in AA vs Werdum & Kos vs Sanchez for example, which is people fighting not to lose. Fighting not to lose is something I can only tolerate when a fighter is clearly outmatched by his opponent. Anything outside of that….there’s no excuse. A fighter should push the pace, create his own openings, force his opponent to make a mistake & capitalize on any possible weaknesses, etc.
Simply put, once the fighter loses the fans, consequently he loses his livelyhood.
Lastly, let’s not forget that as a true fighter, a fighter with the real “samurai spirit” you are there to PROVE that you are superior in skill to your opponent.
[quote post="2100"]i disagree, because he played by the rules and won the fight that the boss said he had to to get a title shot, what should happen is the ufc should bring in the yellow card system to get rid of boring fights, not go back on their word because they didn’t like how a guy won even though he followed the rules and won fairly, if dana wants it to be all about the spectators and is gonna only reward exciting fights than he shouldn’t promise title shots to the winner, he should change the rules…[/quote]
Spida, you have made a very good counter-point. Dana should not go back on his promises & I agree that the UFC should absolutely, without a doubt integrate the yellow card system. However, I do have an issue with any fighter (whether I’m a fan or not) who is willing to gain a “W” with the mentality of “if i can just land one more punch than my opponent…..”. Now, if a fighter put’s it all on the line & just so happens to win by a takedown or that one extra strike then so be it. All that would mean is that he fought a worthy opponoent. But not to try your best? Unacceptable.
Nick Diaz for President.
Total Crap. Dana is not a man of his word. It was AA’s first decision win, and the fight before that was a first round KO. What is the problem? Who’s getting the next shot then???
[quote comment="54889"]Opps…
It should be…
I dare say that…
Gonzaga vs Randy C.
J Monson vs Werdum
Kongo vs H. Herring
Frank Mir vs Tim Silvia
Vera vs Loser of Gonzaga& Randy C.
CC vs AA vs Winner of Gonzaga & Randy C.
Loser of CC vs AA takes on Kongo/Herring
Winner of Monson vs Werdum takes on Loser of Mir/Silvia
Winner of Mir/Silvia takes winner of Vera vs loser (GG & Randy)
(and it should end up CC vs Vera Title fight)
By this time Fedor should be ready to make the jump…
Herring will be gone to another company and Arlovski will be fedors first fight. What a way to make an entrance into the UFC.[/quote]
you left out big nog who is fighting herring already, so i guess vera should fight kongo and the winner of that should get winner of big nog vs. herring and winner of that gets title shot at crocop/aa vs. rc/gonzaga
[quote post="2100"]Nick Diaz for President[/quote]
He’d get my vote! Nick is a prime example of what all fighters should aspire to bring into the cage.
Winner of Monson vs Werdum takes on Loser of Mir/Silvia
If this is the case, then I sure as hell hope Monson and Sylvia lose.
[quote comment="54932"][quote post="2100"]Nick Diaz for President[/quote]
He’d get my vote! Nick is a prime example of what all fighters should aspire to bring into the cage.[/quote]
Someone got it, cool.
Great dialog back n forth. Keep it up all!
I’m always going to cheer for our hometown hero Arlovski!!
Jay K.
All this talk of Arlovski fighting Cro Cop is fun to talk about, but it will definitely not be Arlovski’s next fight. The UFC pays both these superstars very well. Cro Cop signed the biggest contract in MMA history and Arlovski’s making over 150K a fight. Dana white can’t afford to make Cro Cop Arlovski’s next opponent because one of the fighters will come out of the fight with a loss and it would be devastating to either of them. I would bet that you’ll see Cro Cop fight a non-contender to put another win on his record before he steps in the cage with another real contender. Arlovski on the other hand will fight someone thats in the title picture. Maybe Vera or Monson.
Sure we all want to see Arlovski vs. Cro Cop, but thats one of those fights that will only happen if one of those two has the belt.
[quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
Big Nog has no UFC fights yet and you already want to throw him into a heavyweight title shot ????? According to your theory he will have one fight that you are already conceding he will win, and after this year nothing is certain, and he deserves a shot over EVERYONE else. Someone’s not thinking
i agree that andrei should not be next in line. i thought brandon vera was in line for a shot before randy came back.
AA vs. CC should be the next fight Dana book. Since both guys are considered major players in that division, and both fail to impress at UFC 70, Its really a chance for both of them to repair their reputations.
No offense to AA, but its not really possible for him to fight a snoozefest against CC. And for CC, Dana should send him another can to kick like Eddie Sanchez. It will really display to the world what CC can do in the octagon.
As for Nog, he’ll get the same treatment as CC, which would be a debut against a Can followed by a legitimate contender before he gets a title shot. More than ever Dana is being careful at to giving title shots to Pride big wigs with no octagon experience. Its the right mentality though, because with the exception to Fedor, I don’t think being a big shot in Pride will legitimize you to be a contender for the title (as proven by CC).
[quote comment="54985"][quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
Big Nog has no UFC fights yet and you already want to throw him into a heavyweight title shot ????? According to your theory he will have one fight that you are already conceding he will win, and after this year nothing is certain, and he deserves a shot over EVERYONE else. Someone’s not thinking[/quote]
So…Jackson only had 1 UFC fight, Cro Cop was only going to have 2 but lost. Big Nog could be at a title shot soon with a win or two.
[quote comment="54991"]i agree that andrei should not be next in line. i thought brandon vera was in line for a shot before randy came back.[/quote]
vera missed his chance with his contract dispute, now there is more talent and he’s fallen down the line, he has to work his way back up the ladder, his mistake, no one else’s, he’s definitely a good fighter, but there are a lot of those in the hw division these days, i see no reason for the ufc to give him any kind of shot at the title now…
watch NOG lose the next fight….LOL!!!!
Sh*T has been going crazy in the cage these days…
[quote comment="54985"][quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
Big Nog has no UFC fights yet and you already want to throw him into a heavyweight title shot ????? According to your theory he will have one fight that you are already conceding he will win, and after this year nothing is certain, and he deserves a shot over EVERYONE else. Someone’s not thinking[/quote]
He’s the universally considered the #2 HW in the world. I dont think he needs to work his way up the ladder like a Vera or Gonzaga. I think Brandon is an awesome fighter but he hasnt fought a top ten HW yet. No way he is anywhere near the front of the line for a shot. Perfect guy for Poopie to fight, though.
[quote comment="54896"][quote post="2100"]Timmy and AA fight not to lose and their fights arent exciting anymore. [/quote]You got to be kidding me, AA fights not to lose. Your judging his whole career of his last two fights. Did you already forget his slew of first round knockouts? You can’t blaim him for being cautious in the last fight because Wedrum was basically running away from him the whole fight and he knew that he couldn’t let that fight go to the ground. That being said an AA CC fight would be awesome.[/quote]
After he was knocked out he’s not being the same and in his last fight he addmitted it was fighting not to lose.
i saw this happening, and everyone said i was stupid…the fight was just not enough to be a #1 comtender when the hw division is so deep…i just hope to see AA keep winning to get his shot…i dont know who will get the shot before AA though, i would say it has to be big nog or maybe vera…but i dont even know
[quote comment="55303"]i saw this happening, and everyone said i was stupid…the fight was just not enough to be a #1 comtender when the hw division is so deep…i just hope to see AA keep winning to get his shot…i dont know who will get the shot before AA though, i would say it has to be big nog or maybe vera…but i dont even know[/quote]
Just kidding, Dude. I agreed with you if you remember. AA gets a title shot after avoiding Fabricio for 2 rounds? That’s championship quality? This division is way too deep for that. If he gets in the cage with an aggressive fighter ( WTF happened Werdum? ) he is gonna lose in a bad way, either TKO or UD 30-27 x 3. How about this, and I see it happening, Nog beats Herring, than AA vs Nog for title shot? It is what’s gonna happen. The timing of the cards is perfect.
I didnt say you were stupid, I might have been thinking it…
Good call by White…
AA has talent, much like the well hated webbed footed former champ, but the passion and drive just seem to not be there. Dude needs to get his bell rung to bring back the aggression. I dont see AA-CC coming soon… Dana knows the popularity and potential for a fight like that, wants that to be a main card in hopefully a belt card. But we will see… holy hell Id love to see that fight.
i think the top guys from pride are ready for title shots now. they dont need warm-up fights they just need more training and practice in the cage. dana is just trying to build them up in th u.s, get them better name recognition. gouys like nog,fedor, rua,silva,hendo and even cc are ready for championship caliber fights in their respective wieght classess. i agree that the hws are stacked well enough now for the best to fight the best, no since in waiting. aa did win the fight so having him fight a nobody dosen’t make since. aa vs cc must be made.
[quote comment="54677"]I’m glad they’re not giving him a title shot yet. In the long run, having boring fights going to decision doesn’t do much for the UFC. The vast majority of fans (including myself) are not going to respond to that in a positive manner. It makes sense for them not to reward passivity. Arlovski could’ve pressed the fight and probably gotten the knockout, but instead coasted to victory. Hopefully he won’t make the same mistake again.[/quote]
Well and if you recall he did track Werdum around the cage. I wouldn’t say he ‘chased’ him but Werdum was almost always the one backing up. So he was passive in that he didn’t sprint after the backing-away Werdum.
Sounds like they are just making excuses. I think White really just wants to hurry up and give Nogiura his shot.
[quote comment="55101"]watch NOG lose the next fight….LOL!!!!
Sh*T has been going crazy in the cage these days…[/quote]
Seriously, if Herring drops Nog with a head kick, I’m gonna bust out laughing. They’re already pissed that Herring hasn’t panned out yet and then if he messes up their scenario with Nog, man… Dana White won’t give Herring a contract- he’ll take one out on him.
Dose anyone else think that AA looks like Geroge Micheal in that picture.
[quote comment="55308"][quote comment="55303"]i saw this happening, and everyone said i was stupid…the fight was [/quote]
How about this, and I see it happening, Nog beats Herring, than AA vs Nog for title shot? It is what’s gonna happen. The timing of the cards is perfect.[/quote]
If that is true, who gets winner of RC/GG? They need to have the on-deck ‘hitter’ lined up soon. When Nog beats Herring, he will get the shot. If Herring pulls the upset, then what do they do? Don’t give next-ups to AA, CroCop, Werdum, Nog, Sylvia, Vera or Herring. I guess that leaves Jake O’Brien to step up. Ha!
[quote comment="55428"]Dose anyone else think that AA looks like Geroge Micheal in that picture.[/quote]
LOL…..I thought he looks like he could be a Russian Fabio.
5 easy steps to get a title shot in the UFC
1.Fight in Pride FC
2.Jump to UFC
3.KO stepping stone
4.Kiss Dana White’s ass (you have to do this along with 2-5)
5.Get Title shot!!!!
worked for Anderson Silva & Quinton Jackson
Cro Cop blew his chance so did Werdum and Herring……and Big Nog looks to be well on his way.
Number of Guys who have fought in Pride FC who currently hold UFC titles.
Silva, Liddell, Sherk. 3 out of 5 isn’t bad
[quote comment="54912"]Total Crap. Dana is not a man of his word. It was AA’s first decision win, and the fight before that was a first round KO. What is the problem? Who’s getting the next shot then???[/quote]
I think AA sould get the next shot. I know everyone wants to see AA/CC but why not on the way around the title. RC/AA would be great assuming RC will get by GG. RC/CC following RC/AA would be great even if RC/AA were to go that way. I think AA might be able to pull the victory over RC, which would give us AA/CC as everyone wants. You would have to figure Nog/Vera/Sylvia/Werdum in between all this. CC needs to beat a big name before getting thrown into title contention again.
money…liddell foguht 3 fights in pride, under ufc contract, sherk fought 1, i dont get your logic
[quote comment="55441"]5 easy steps to get a title shot in the UFC
1.Fight in Pride FC
2.Jump to UFC
3.KO stepping stone
4.Kiss Dana White’s ass (you have to do this along with 2-5)
5.Get Title shot!!!!
worked for Anderson Silva & Quinton Jackson
Cro Cop blew his chance so did Werdum and Herring……and Big Nog looks to be well on his way.
Number of Guys who have fought in Pride FC who currently hold UFC titles.
Silva, Liddell, Sherk. 3 out of 5 isn’t bad[/quote]
please tell me this is a joke?
Anderson Silva is one of the BEST 185lbs fighters that has ever lived…
CC has never ‘kissed ass…’ he has an always will be one of the best HWs and one of the best fighters that ever lived..
Rampage wasnt a Pride fighter… he was fighting for some bitch organization in Socal that got bought out… the only reason he is ‘getting a title shot..’ is because of the whole revenge aspect for the UFC Goldenboy..
Liddell fought ONE fight in Pride..
Anderson Silva fought with what? Cage rage aswell?…
Sherk fought in TWO pride fights, but 4 UFC fights before becoming Champ…
So yeah, great comparison…
[quote comment="55444"]money…liddell foguht 3 fights in pride, under ufc contract, sherk fought 1, i dont get your logic[/quote]
me neither.
[quote comment="55475"][quote comment="55444"]money…liddell foguht 3 fights in pride, under ufc contract, sherk fought 1, i dont get your logic[/quote]
me neither.[/quote]
I’m not following either. I thought you just had to be a good fighter, lol.
[quote comment="55450"][quote comment="55441"]5 easy steps to get a title shot in the UFC
1.Fight in Pride FC
2.Jump to UFC
3.KO stepping stone
4.Kiss Dana White’s ass (you have to do this along with 2-5)
5.Get Title shot!!!!
[/quote]
please tell me this is a joke?
Rampage wasnt a Pride fighter… he was fighting for some Liddell fought ONE fight in Pride..
[/quote]
Rampage fought at least a dozen fights in Pride. I don’t know if I’m allowed to include a link but just go to http://www.pridefc.com and look him up.
Liddell fought more than one Pride fight. He has 3 listed on pride’s site. I saw video of one he won and then he lost to Rampage. I thought the Rampage loss was a tournament finals but I guess not.
[quote comment="55441"]5 easy steps to get a title shot in the UFC
1.Fight in Pride FC
2.Jump to UFC
3.KO stepping stone
4.Kiss Dana White’s ass (you have to do this along with 2-5)
5.Get Title shot!!!!
[/quote]
Well they are pulling the top guys over so I think that deserves a little recognition. If Phil Baroni comes over and gets a title shot, then hold on a second.
[quote comment="55444"]money…liddell foguht 3 fights in pride, under ufc contract, sherk fought 1, i dont get your logic[/quote]
yeah i don’t get it either, try again…
[quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
I was in Long island for the couture autograph signing and the girl next to me was pete sells ex girfriend..she works as a promoter in MMA and the UFC…She said it will be Cro Cop vs Vera this summer…and u all know what that means..winner gets title shot..of course its not official…but makes sense…Nog is tied up with Herring..Silva is out with surgery…werdum didnt perform well his first apperance..And AA pulled a Tim Silva and fought not to lose (as randy puts it) he didnt fight to finish and win. That makes perfect sense because Vera vs Cro cop would be a huge pay per view draw and if vera wins would legitamize him as a top HW..If crop cop wins it will seem as if the gonzaga loss was a fluke and put him as the next contender. In the past it has been reported that cro cop wanted Vera but at the time he didnt get him..not that things have changed it all makes sense. Vera has said multiple times he wants to fight the best stand up guys..IE hes called out chuck more than once..So if he wants a stand up war…he will get that and more in Mirko. Cro cop seems to be hot and cold at times but when he comes with his A game…vs Barnett, Wand..ETC he seems almost superhuman
[quote comment="55830"][quote comment="54628"]Ok, so then how about we get to see AA vs. Cro Cop. Then, the winner of that can face the winner of Noguiera vs Couture/Gonzaga for the belt. Sorry Herring, but the third time won’t be the charm for you.[/quote]
I was in Long island for the couture autograph signing and the girl next to me was pete sells ex girfriend..she works as a promoter in MMA and the UFC…She said it will be Cro Cop vs Vera this summer…and u all know what that means..winner gets title shot..of course its not official…but makes sense…Nog is tied up with Herring..Silva is out with surgery…werdum didnt perform well his first apperance..And AA pulled a Tim Silva and fought not to lose (as randy puts it) he didnt fight to finish and win. That makes perfect sense because Vera vs Cro cop would be a huge pay per view draw and if vera wins would legitamize him as a top HW..If crop cop wins it will seem as if the gonzaga loss was a fluke and put him as the next contender. In the past it has been reported that cro cop wanted Vera but at the time he didnt get him..not that things have changed it all makes sense. Vera has said multiple times he wants to fight the best stand up guys..IE hes called out chuck more than once..So if he wants a stand up war…he will get that and more in Mirko. Cro cop seems to be hot and cold at times but when he comes with his A game…vs Barnett, Wand..ETC he seems almost superhuman[/quote]
God I hope your right.
That sucks for AA. Everyone was under the impression he was next, sucks, sure he got his hopes up. So what is next for AA then?
[quote post="2100"]So what is next for AA then?[/quote]
What’s next for Werdum? I am a huge fan of Fabricio. He must have had cage jitters, because normally he’s one of the most aggressive fighters out there. I dont think he’s under contract right now ( since he got to fight at the ADCC ).
Does it matter he was in the ADCC? It’s not like it is another MMA organization. So anyway, does anybody know what is up next for these two? I say….do over.
[quote comment="55850"][quote post="2100"]So what is next for AA then?[/quote]
What’s next for Werdum? I am a huge fan of Fabricio. He must have had cage jitters, because normally he’s one of the most aggressive fighters out there. I dont think he’s under contract right now ( since he got to fight at the ADCC ).[/quote]
yeah, from the fights i’ve seen of werdum he is a much better fighter than what he showed at 70, i think he’s still gonna be a force in the hw division…i also think vera vs. cro cop is not a bad idea
[quote comment="55851"]Does it matter he was in the ADCC? It’s not like it is another MMA organization. So anyway, does anybody know what is up next for these two? I say….do over.[/quote]
Pride pulled all their fighters out ( positive ), as did the UFC ( I think so, rumors rumors ). So any MMA guys that did fight, couldn’t have had a contract at the time. Or they werent big enough for the UFC to care.
Oh alright.
So nobody has heard any rumors about what is next for these guys?
[quote comment="55855"]Oh alright.
So nobody has heard any rumors about what is next for these guys?[/quote]
Man, I’ve been searching high and low for any info on FW since the ADCC. Nothing.
He’s the universally considered the #2 HW in the world. I dont think he needs to work his way up the ladder like a Vera or Gonzaga. I think Brandon is an awesome fighter but he hasnt fought a top ten HW yet. No way he is anywhere near the front of the line for a shot. Perfect guy for Poopie to fight, though.
There is no way someone walking in the door, deserves a title shot before Vera . Everyone in the UFC who has won 4 straight in decisive fashion has gotten a title shot. He hasn’t fought a top 10 HW yet (well give him one already). A fighter as good as Nog shouldn’t have to start at the bottom of ladder, but not at the top rung either.
[quote comment="55887"]He’s the universally considered the #2 HW in the world. I dont think he needs to work his way up the ladder like a Vera or Gonzaga. I think Brandon is an awesome fighter but he hasnt fought a top ten HW yet. No way he is anywhere near the front of the line for a shot. Perfect guy for Poopie to fight, though.
There is no way someone walking in the door, deserves a title shot before Vera . Everyone in the UFC who has won 4 straight in decisive fashion has gotten a title shot. He hasn’t fought a top 10 HW yet (well give him one already). A fighter as good as Nog shouldn’t have to start at the bottom of ladder, but not at the top rung either.[/quote]
not everyone has gotten a title shot after 4 good wins. Some of these people are Mike Swick who had 5 straight wins with no shot, Diego Sanchez who had 6 straight, I believe Rashaad Evans is at 5, and even Fitch has 5. just goes to show you that quite a few guys dont get a shot when people think they should. Oh well…
Karo as well should be on that list. At least before Diego.
[quote post="2100"]Don’t forget Tim Sylvia. Love him or hate him (most hate him), he deserves a shot soon assuming he ends Frank Mir’s disappointing career. [/quote]
Tim sylvia as champion is a mother fucken joke.. all he ever did was knock out AA before he was knocked out..My point is that Tim sylvia has knockout power, but that doesnt make him a good fighter.. The ability to recover even when the fighter is down or when a fighter makes a comeback from what seems to be an already lost fight is the attributes of a tru champ…
you won’t see vera vs. crocop. Vera who is obviously unhappy with the hand he has been dealt in the ufc is being sat on by dana as we all know. So with only a couple fights left on his contract and bad blood between him and Dana do you really think that Dana will let him fight a top ranked golden boy who is a part face of the company fighter like crocop and possibly beat him(the way things are going lately for all top contenders) then he is out of his contract he took UFC down a peg and heads to another organization and boost there rep as well as his own saying he dismantled the top talent in the ufc and left?? He is going to get maybe a top contender or if Dana sees a big weak spot a contender who could possibly expose that weakness. Dana is filled with spite. The only other scenerio would be send him to pride boost there HW division a bit create some new rivalries.
I disagree with most of that. Vera publicly announced him wanting to stay with UFC. He will get thrown in when the pecking order simmerz down a bit and is settle a little better. Right now there is so much going on in the HW division its hard for any one fighter to get a very big piece of the pie. Dana likes Vera anyway he has said a number of times. It is just not his time yet.
[quote comment="58169"]you won’t see vera vs. crocop. Vera who is obviously unhappy with the hand he has been dealt in the ufc is being sat on by dana as we all know. So with only a couple fights left on his contract and bad blood between him and Dana do you really think that Dana will let him fight a top ranked golden boy who is a part face of the company fighter like crocop and possibly beat him(the way things are going lately for all top contenders) then he is out of his contract he took UFC down a peg and heads to another organization and boost there rep as well as his own saying he dismantled the top talent in the ufc and left?? He is going to get maybe a top contender or if Dana sees a big weak spot a contender who could possibly expose that weakness. Dana is filled with spite. The only other scenerio would be send him to pride boost there HW division a bit create some new rivalries.[/quote]
Dude, no offense, but half of what you typed is factually incorrect.
http://mmamania.com/2007/03/28/ufc-grants-brandon-vera-fight-extension/
[quote comment="54734"]If you watch the older UFC’s Arlovski looks a shadow of the figher that he used to be. I really like Andrei but since his loss to Slyvia he seems to have lost a lot of confidence and that aura of invnicibility that he once had. He needs to thrown a bit of caution to the wind and put in a really good performance for him to shine again. He did get booed a bit at UFC 70 in Manchester but he did say he was sorry to the crowd and everyone cheered him as he is defintely a favourite over here. He also got a really warm reception at the weigh ins.[/quote]
YEP, AA USED TO CARRY AROUND THAT AURA OF INVINCIBILITY, TRUE WERDS DUDE. HE SOMEHOW HAS TO MUSTER A DEEP HUNGER AND WING FOR THE FENCES TUDE’ . BEGIN TO BELIEVE IN HIS ABILITIES AND HIMSELF AND NOT CARE SO MUCH ABOUT OUT BOXING EVERYONE.