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	<title>Comments on: UFC Quick Quote: Elbows contributed to Cro Cop KO</title>
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		<title>By: AaronW</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2007/04/24/ufc-quick-quote-elbows-contributed-to-cro-cop-ko/comment-page-3/#comment-79936</link>
		<dc:creator>AaronW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Didn&#039;t Barnett beat Couture already?  TKO due to strikes?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Didn&#8217;t Barnett beat Couture already?  TKO due to strikes?</p>
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		<title>By: JT71</title>
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		<dc:creator>JT71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:26:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mirko is one of the most respectable and respectful fighters in MMA.  I don&#039;t think he was well prepared for this fight, but I also think Gonzaga was very strong and aggressive.  Props to GG and I&#039;m still a huge CC fan...he&#039;ll be back.

Conan,

Josh Barnett couldn&#039;t hold Randy Couture&#039;s jock.  Neither could Aleksander (Fedor&#039;s brother).  Fedor, on the other hand, is for real.  Truth be told there are tibetan monks or old kung fu masters living in the mountains that would kick the crap out of all of these fighters, but nobody knows their names.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mirko is one of the most respectable and respectful fighters in MMA.  I don&#8217;t think he was well prepared for this fight, but I also think Gonzaga was very strong and aggressive.  Props to GG and I&#8217;m still a huge CC fan&#8230;he&#8217;ll be back.</p>
<p>Conan,</p>
<p>Josh Barnett couldn&#8217;t hold Randy Couture&#8217;s jock.  Neither could Aleksander (Fedor&#8217;s brother).  Fedor, on the other hand, is for real.  Truth be told there are tibetan monks or old kung fu masters living in the mountains that would kick the crap out of all of these fighters, but nobody knows their names.</p>
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		<title>By: chris</title>
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		<dc:creator>chris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2007 21:17:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;42752&quot;]so CroCop makes excuses and everyones got his back, any other fighter you guys rip him apart.  makes no sense.

CroCop got his ass kicked just like poopie got his ass kicked - plain and simple.

so now we are saying that Crocop should fight one more time and then if he wins get a title shot, come on guys - we all complain that hughes and franklin were getting their shots so quickly, Randy got it out of retirement, Tito got it written into his contract - and on and on -  this guy has never held a belt anywhere and he deserves a title shot - come on.

He is 1 - 1 in the UFC, this loss should him down the ranks and he should have to fight either poopie or Werdum - someone who lost.  Then if he wins that one, start his road back to top.[/quote]

this is for the  qoutes above this one, he aint complaining that he got his ass kicked im pretty sure he fukin knows that. But as for the other guys you mentioned, that dont have a record that comes close to cro cops. they havnt fought anybody good. there is no way that they will let him start from the bottom. he would just run through those pansies just like he did eddie sanchez. Gonzaga was a real match for cro cop.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="42752"]so CroCop makes excuses and everyones got his back, any other fighter you guys rip him apart.  makes no sense.</p>
<p>CroCop got his ass kicked just like poopie got his ass kicked &#8211; plain and simple.</p>
<p>so now we are saying that Crocop should fight one more time and then if he wins get a title shot, come on guys &#8211; we all complain that hughes and franklin were getting their shots so quickly, Randy got it out of retirement, Tito got it written into his contract &#8211; and on and on &#8211;  this guy has never held a belt anywhere and he deserves a title shot &#8211; come on.</p>
<p>He is 1 &#8211; 1 in the UFC, this loss should him down the ranks and he should have to fight either poopie or Werdum &#8211; someone who lost.  Then if he wins that one, start his road back to top.[/quote]</p>
<p>this is for the  qoutes above this one, he aint complaining that he got his ass kicked im pretty sure he fukin knows that. But as for the other guys you mentioned, that dont have a record that comes close to cro cops. they havnt fought anybody good. there is no way that they will let him start from the bottom. he would just run through those pansies just like he did eddie sanchez. Gonzaga was a real match for cro cop.</p>
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		<title>By: bigconanman</title>
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		<dc:creator>bigconanman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 30 May 2007 13:36:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>U wanna see Gonzaga either get knocked out or submitted within a round, let him fight fedor and see how good that buffoon is.  i guarantee u, there are tons of guys that can kill either randy or gonzago, josh barnett for one, even fedors brother woiuld hand gonzaga his ass.  remember, if u think fedor would just lie on his back while gonzaga hit him with elbows like cro cop did, u living in a dream world.

conan</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>U wanna see Gonzaga either get knocked out or submitted within a round, let him fight fedor and see how good that buffoon is.  i guarantee u, there are tons of guys that can kill either randy or gonzago, josh barnett for one, even fedors brother woiuld hand gonzaga his ass.  remember, if u think fedor would just lie on his back while gonzaga hit him with elbows like cro cop did, u living in a dream world.</p>
<p>conan</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 02:16:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For every single time someone claims HD make a mistake, there are at least twice as many times you can say he saw something no one else did and went on to make a great decision. Sylvia&#039;s arm and the &quot;controversial&quot; stoppage at Ortiz v Shamrock II ( camera later shows KS was KOed then woken up by another punch, a come occurence in MMA ) are two recent ones. Just as in other sports, there is peer review of all refs decisions. If HD wasnt great, his peers would have ended his career a long time ago. And dont get me started again on Big John. Open your mind, empty it of Blowgums and Goldie claiming he&#039;s the &quot;best in the business&quot; and judge for yourselves. There&#039;s a reason he doesnt get to ref many non-UFC bouts.... Most who REALLY know MMA from the inside, think he just average or worse, and that aint no opinion. 

Good point , knowone but HD saw that Tim&#039;s arm was broken (not even Tim himself).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For every single time someone claims HD make a mistake, there are at least twice as many times you can say he saw something no one else did and went on to make a great decision. Sylvia&#8217;s arm and the &#8220;controversial&#8221; stoppage at Ortiz v Shamrock II ( camera later shows KS was KOed then woken up by another punch, a come occurence in MMA ) are two recent ones. Just as in other sports, there is peer review of all refs decisions. If HD wasnt great, his peers would have ended his career a long time ago. And dont get me started again on Big John. Open your mind, empty it of Blowgums and Goldie claiming he&#8217;s the &#8220;best in the business&#8221; and judge for yourselves. There&#8217;s a reason he doesnt get to ref many non-UFC bouts&#8230;. Most who REALLY know MMA from the inside, think he just average or worse, and that aint no opinion. </p>
<p>Good point , knowone but HD saw that Tim&#8217;s arm was broken (not even Tim himself).</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
		<link>http://mmamania.com/2007/04/24/ufc-quick-quote-elbows-contributed-to-cro-cop-ko/comment-page-2/#comment-46731</link>
		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Apr 2007 00:37:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anomaly~~ Yes Elbows are a part of mma. But I am arguing the point that they should not be based on other rules. They state that blows to the back of the head are not allowed due to brain damage, they say no sticking any part of your body into the orifice is illegal due to the extensive injury, and so many others. I feel that avoiding cuts should be ruled out based on these standards. If they were to go out there and say, hey I will not stop the fight due to any cut, then sure allow elbows, but ending a fight due to cuts does not show you that a person won the fight. That person if allow could knock them out, submit them or any of that in the time allowed. So when I say Elbows should not be allowed (in my opinion) I base it on the current standard and rules of the UFC. 

I feel that a fighter should be allowed to pursue the opponent unless they are knocked out or submitted. I feel that if they allow elbows do not stop the fight, if they are going to stop the fight then do not allow elbows. 

Punches and knees end more fights than elbows and when a fighter has blood in his eyes to the point where he can&#039;t see the fight should be stopped to avoid serious injury. I haven&#039;t seen many fighters getting pissed due to stoppage when they had blood in their eyes and couldn&#039;t see shit. Personaly I think elbows make the fight more exciting ,But each to their own.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anomaly~~ Yes Elbows are a part of mma. But I am arguing the point that they should not be based on other rules. They state that blows to the back of the head are not allowed due to brain damage, they say no sticking any part of your body into the orifice is illegal due to the extensive injury, and so many others. I feel that avoiding cuts should be ruled out based on these standards. If they were to go out there and say, hey I will not stop the fight due to any cut, then sure allow elbows, but ending a fight due to cuts does not show you that a person won the fight. That person if allow could knock them out, submit them or any of that in the time allowed. So when I say Elbows should not be allowed (in my opinion) I base it on the current standard and rules of the UFC. </p>
<p>I feel that a fighter should be allowed to pursue the opponent unless they are knocked out or submitted. I feel that if they allow elbows do not stop the fight, if they are going to stop the fight then do not allow elbows. </p>
<p>Punches and knees end more fights than elbows and when a fighter has blood in his eyes to the point where he can&#8217;t see the fight should be stopped to avoid serious injury. I haven&#8217;t seen many fighters getting pissed due to stoppage when they had blood in their eyes and couldn&#8217;t see shit. Personaly I think elbows make the fight more exciting ,But each to their own.</p>
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		<title>By: Gord</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gord</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 23:42:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Herb did make them stand up but even that should have been advantage Cro Cop, elbows or not.

You can&#039;t really say that standing them up would benefit CC, especially after he ate that many elbows. He would have been better off wrapping up Gonzaga and holding him down until Herb stood them up so he could recover. He said he had blurry vision which is pretty evident as he dropped his hands for a side kick and got cracked in the head. I was really impressed with GG catching that kick from CC and taking him down. That shit had to hurt but he stayed composed and kept on working. 

Cro Cop could see perfectly well. Go to UFC.com and look at the fight pics. You can plainly see GG was look directly at CC midsection (ala GSP Hughes)and he never looked up at his head. That is why CC whinced and lowered his hands to gaurd against the body kick. It was just a perfectly executed kick (don&#039;t look where you&#039;re kicking , it moves the opponents defence away from the target area).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Herb did make them stand up but even that should have been advantage Cro Cop, elbows or not.</p>
<p>You can&#8217;t really say that standing them up would benefit CC, especially after he ate that many elbows. He would have been better off wrapping up Gonzaga and holding him down until Herb stood them up so he could recover. He said he had blurry vision which is pretty evident as he dropped his hands for a side kick and got cracked in the head. I was really impressed with GG catching that kick from CC and taking him down. That shit had to hurt but he stayed composed and kept on working. </p>
<p>Cro Cop could see perfectly well. Go to UFC.com and look at the fight pics. You can plainly see GG was look directly at CC midsection (ala GSP Hughes)and he never looked up at his head. That is why CC whinced and lowered his hands to gaurd against the body kick. It was just a perfectly executed kick (don&#8217;t look where you&#8217;re kicking , it moves the opponents defence away from the target area).</p>
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		<title>By: Wilkov</title>
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		<dc:creator>Wilkov</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 29 Apr 2007 00:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[quote comment=&quot;42627&quot;]Poor cro cop, I think what he said about elbows being illegal in pride is a very good point, he never had to worry about it, it will take some getting used to, I hope he fights beyond his 4 fights left on his contract.  Gonzaga kind of cashed in on cro cops ring rust, but he did catch cro cops kick, which was  surprising, don&#039;t remember anyone doing that before.  I&#039;m glad he&#039;s already talking about coming back stronger, and hope they let him fight arlovski next, and the winner gets a title shot, that would be a great fight.[/quote]

There&#039;s no way they&#039;d let him have another title shot that easily. 4 fights is quite a few in terms of his career though, could well be enough to earn him a title shot against whoever is champ, but not unless he wins them all. I read an article where he basically said he&#039;d fight the last 4 then see where that left him. I reckon if he could get a title shot somewhere in those four fights, even on the fourth then that would be something that would keep him in the game. He&#039;ll really have to come back very strong to get a shot though, the fans will have to be hungry for him to get it in order for the UFC as it&#039;s being run at present to give him one.

I agree  though, standing the fight up was ridiculous, as it happened it worked out better for Gonzaga but who would have expected that? Even Gonzaga probably didn&#039;t expect to outstrike Mirko standing up, confident or not. I don&#039;t think one loss is such a big deal in MMA, the shot that did it was one in a million. It&#039;s only because of all the hype that has made it seem so catastrophic, in Gonzaga&#039;s own words &#039;Everybody lose&#039; and Mirko&#039;s record is still very good. Of course there is the exception of 1 loss Fedor, but he&#039;s the exception that proves the rule. 

Personally although I love Couture, I want to see Gonzaga become champ and then a title fight between him and Arlovski then a champ on champ match between Fedor and Arlovski with no titles involved. Fedor would eat him alive I expect but that would be good because it would give more momentum to the challenger who could hopefully be Cro Cop. 

I heard Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira has been signed by UFC as well, he&#039;s something of a beast in the heavyweight division, his record is even better than Mirko&#039;s so there could well be some interesting fights there, I believe he even submitted Mirko earlier in both their careers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[quote comment="42627"]Poor cro cop, I think what he said about elbows being illegal in pride is a very good point, he never had to worry about it, it will take some getting used to, I hope he fights beyond his 4 fights left on his contract.  Gonzaga kind of cashed in on cro cops ring rust, but he did catch cro cops kick, which was  surprising, don&#8217;t remember anyone doing that before.  I&#8217;m glad he&#8217;s already talking about coming back stronger, and hope they let him fight arlovski next, and the winner gets a title shot, that would be a great fight.[/quote]</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way they&#8217;d let him have another title shot that easily. 4 fights is quite a few in terms of his career though, could well be enough to earn him a title shot against whoever is champ, but not unless he wins them all. I read an article where he basically said he&#8217;d fight the last 4 then see where that left him. I reckon if he could get a title shot somewhere in those four fights, even on the fourth then that would be something that would keep him in the game. He&#8217;ll really have to come back very strong to get a shot though, the fans will have to be hungry for him to get it in order for the UFC as it&#8217;s being run at present to give him one.</p>
<p>I agree  though, standing the fight up was ridiculous, as it happened it worked out better for Gonzaga but who would have expected that? Even Gonzaga probably didn&#8217;t expect to outstrike Mirko standing up, confident or not. I don&#8217;t think one loss is such a big deal in MMA, the shot that did it was one in a million. It&#8217;s only because of all the hype that has made it seem so catastrophic, in Gonzaga&#8217;s own words &#8216;Everybody lose&#8217; and Mirko&#8217;s record is still very good. Of course there is the exception of 1 loss Fedor, but he&#8217;s the exception that proves the rule. </p>
<p>Personally although I love Couture, I want to see Gonzaga become champ and then a title fight between him and Arlovski then a champ on champ match between Fedor and Arlovski with no titles involved. Fedor would eat him alive I expect but that would be good because it would give more momentum to the challenger who could hopefully be Cro Cop. </p>
<p>I heard Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira has been signed by UFC as well, he&#8217;s something of a beast in the heavyweight division, his record is even better than Mirko&#8217;s so there could well be some interesting fights there, I believe he even submitted Mirko earlier in both their careers.</p>
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		<title>By: UR a Douch</title>
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		<dc:creator>UR a Douch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 17:54:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>at the last 2 ufc events they have stood up some fights when they shouldnt have n im pretty pissed about it one was with gonzaga n the other with ushin okami it seem they wanted their favourites to win so badly
if theyu dont start doing a better job ppl will notice more n more UFC CLEAN UP UR ACT!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>at the last 2 ufc events they have stood up some fights when they shouldnt have n im pretty pissed about it one was with gonzaga n the other with ushin okami it seem they wanted their favourites to win so badly<br />
if theyu dont start doing a better job ppl will notice more n more UFC CLEAN UP UR ACT!</p>
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		<title>By: MoreThanUFC</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoreThanUFC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 28 Apr 2007 12:03:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Matt and Chris, if you&#039;re asking me about elbows, I&#039;ve posted this 25 times outta my 680  posts, they suck.  I can live with them since I love Muay Thai, but in the UFC they are used to open cuts to win fights ( GG and Kenflo ).  In complete hindsight, after I&#039;ve watched CC v GG about 12 times, I am cofident that watching the angle at which GG was throwing them, and the 75% power he was swinging at, all he was trying to do was get a cut stoppage.  Nice RHK, cheers to GG, but luck doesnt do it over time.  4 more fights of destruction to come, CC wins title in last one, and retires.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Matt and Chris, if you&#8217;re asking me about elbows, I&#8217;ve posted this 25 times outta my 680  posts, they suck.  I can live with them since I love Muay Thai, but in the UFC they are used to open cuts to win fights ( GG and Kenflo ).  In complete hindsight, after I&#8217;ve watched CC v GG about 12 times, I am cofident that watching the angle at which GG was throwing them, and the 75% power he was swinging at, all he was trying to do was get a cut stoppage.  Nice RHK, cheers to GG, but luck doesnt do it over time.  4 more fights of destruction to come, CC wins title in last one, and retires.</p>
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