you don’t have to worry, Chuck said he’ll move up.

I’ve read here in the forums that Chuck walks around at about 230 lbs so it would make sense for Chuck to move up. It put’s them on equal footing since they will both be fighting at their natural weight as HW’s.

I forecast Rampage winning the belt from Chuck, CC winning the belt from Randy & Chuck challenging CC for the HW title. I say all of that happens before the end of this calendar year.

you are going to be disapointed if you think rampage is gonna win this chuck fight mate,thats not what I see happening anyway,I think it will be similar to chucks last fight against tito.Your right bout crocop winning belt from randy and I also see chuck challenging crocop for the belt and that is the one fight I cant even imagine what would happen,I couldnt make a prediction on that one at all.For me chuck vs crocop for the UFC heavywieght belt would be the ultimate fight of all time.

i don’t know why but i get the impression cro cop isn’t gonna be fighting for that much longer, it seems like he just wants to come here and dominate for a couple of fights and then leave on top and leave his legacy as the best, and i don’t think he’s gonna wait around for fedor to come to ufc forever to prove that, he’s gonna win the belt, maybe defend it once or twice and be done…

[quote comment="35775"]I forecast Rampage winning the belt from Chuck, CC winning the belt from Randy & Chuck challenging CC for the HW title. I say all of that happens before the end of this calendar year.[/quote]

This might definetly be the case, but if it doesn’t go this way exactly it will be Chuck retaining and we will see champion vs. champion with the HW belt on the line. We could soon see a dual champion like Dan Hendo. Chuck will move up for this. He has already stated. If he wins both titles he will argueably be the best MMA fighter of all time. I think MMA has several fighters approaching this legacy. The question is who is being set up to be the best of all time.

[quote comment="35794"]i don’t know why but i get the impression cro cop isn’t gonna be fighting for that much longer, it seems like he just wants to come here and dominate for a couple of fights and then leave on top and leave his legacy as the best, and i don’t think he’s gonna wait around for fedor to come to ufc forever to prove that, he’s gonna win the belt, maybe defend it once or twice and be done…[/quote]

That actually might be the case. But he won’t leave for another organization or something, rumors say he is thinking about retirement. I didn’t get a confirmation from Team Cro Cop on this yet either – but I heard it a few times now and it might be very true. I think he’ll stay for a couple of real highlights like CroCop-BigNog, CroCop-Liddell, CroCop-Arlovski/Werdum and then return to being a commando at the anti-terrorist unit.

[quote post="1842"]This might definetly be the case, but if it doesn’t go this way exactly it will be Chuck retaining and we will see champion vs. champion with the HW belt on the line. We could soon see a dual champion like Dan Hendo. Chuck will move up for this. He has already stated. If he wins both titles he will argueably be the best MMA fighter of all time. I think MMA has several fighters approaching this legacy. The question is who is being set up to be the best of all time[/quote]

Stafo, I can feel what you’re saying, it could end up that way. We’re sure to see a rubber match if thats the case & that’d be a good thing for us fans. I’m sure the UFC would prefer a Champ vs Champ scenario as it would certainly add to the “hype factor” which translates to $$$. Speaking of Hendo, I’d like to see him fight Chuck as well as Rampage.

Best of all time automatically goes to Fedor in my opinion but I do agree that there are a handful of fighters approaching this. Runners up? Chuck certainly falls into contention. IDK, I like Chuck & all but I personally need to see him beat some legitimate strikers aside from Overeem before I put him in the “Best of all time” category.

Chuck vs Cro Cop would probably be the sickest fight i can think of! I am an avid Chuck Liddell fan and think he has the tools to beat Cro Cop, but it would be one hell of a match. And if Chuck won and had both belts, i think he would be considered the best MMA fighter we’ve ever witnessed especially by taking the second belt from none other than Cro Cop. Please Mirco whip up on Gonzaga, then Randy (sorry Randy your the man, but it can’t last much longer), Chuck stomp Rampage and make this happen! I’ll pay whatever to see this fight.

[quote post="1842"]I’ll pay whatever to see this fight[/quote]

Whether or not Chuck or CC are champ at the time, I’d pay top dollar to see it go down. I really believe we’ll see this fight sooner rather than later. I need to see Chuck vs Wand too.

I’m over the Chuck vs Wandi fight. Fuck Silva, he’s been knock the fuck out twice in a row. I really would be surprised if Chuck and Cro cop are both not champs when they fight this year though. Rampage will not beat Chuck, no way no how, Chuck wants this win more than he’s wanted one (aside from loud mouth faggot Tito) in a long long time. Rampage is in for a world of hurt.

“I have no space to go down, maybe if I chop off my hand or something…” Classic Mirko.

“Regarding comments Tito Ortiz made about Dana White being a disgrace to fighters and the boxing match: Tito is living in a fucking bubble right now. You saw what happened. I showed up, he didn’t. He’s not afraid of me, but he has people around him telling him it was a bad idea. He is out there making himself look like a jackass. He should shut his face and worry about Rashad Evans.”–Dana White.

Chuck would get mauled.

“Pride won’t be having crazy matchups anymore. PRIDE is still going to be the Japanese show that the fans of PRIDE liked.”
How can DW say those two things in one breathe? Minowa vs Wandy and Jui-JitsiuBean vs Zulu ARE what Pride fans like!

[quote comment="35856"]Chuck would get mauled.[/quote]
I dont think Liddell would get mauled against CC at all.CC has great punching and kicking skills and so does Liddell.I thinks Chucks leg kicks are just as effective as CC if not better.We just don’t see him use them that often because he usually takes people out with his punches.

“CroCop will return to the special police around November after he’s done in Parliament”
MMANews took that statement a little too far. Mirko said he is considering it, but not that it is definite. He said he would be training and doing some field work. But he never really left anyway. He is still ATJ Lucko’s H2H instructor. He still trains there once a week or so.
Oh, little more on Mirko…
Hmmm, Werdum fights a guy a lot like Mirko, and Mirko fights a guy a lot like Werdum…guess who have settled some differences and have been training a bit together again…

[quote post="1842"]I thinks Chucks leg kicks are just as effective as CC if not better[/quote]

Paul, please dont take offense to this but the fact that you would even take the time to type this clearly states that you are not thoroughly familiar with either fighter. However, I too was once a new MMA fan & have made equally reckless claims. Trust me, you should really do some homework on this one. YouTube is a great resource for which to do so. Class dismissed!

[quote comment="35826"][quote post="1842"]I’ll pay whatever to see this fight[/quote]

Whether or not Chuck or CC are champ at the time, I’d pay top dollar to see it go down. I really believe we’ll see this fight sooner rather than later. I need to see Chuck vs Wand too.[/quote]
Hell yes!!!! Whatever they ask I’m paying. Your right on the the Wand fight, but as mentioned earlier we have to see Liddell/Hendo as well.

[quote post="1842"]Hmmm, Werdum fights a guy a lot like Mirko, and Mirko fights a guy a lot like Werdum…guess who have settled some differences and have been training a bit together again… [/quote]
If that’s true than AA might be in some trouble this weekend. But I dont think Gonzaga has much of a chance regardless.

[quote comment="36101"][quote post="1842"]Hmmm, Werdum fights a guy a lot like Mirko, and Mirko fights a guy a lot like Werdum…guess who have settled some differences and have been training a bit together again… [/quote]
If that’s true than AA might be in some trouble this weekend. But I dont think Gonzaga has much of a chance regardless.[/quote]

AA is definetly in it for a ride. Werdum has submitted alot bigger guys than him, like Aleksander Emelianenko recently. One way or another I expect a great fight and a pretty good event.

[quote comment="35933"][quote comment="35856"]Chuck would get mauled.[/quote]
I dont think Liddell would get mauled against CC at all.CC has great punching and kicking skills and so does Liddell.I thinks Chucks leg kicks are just as effective as CC if not better.We just don’t see him use them that often because he usually takes people out with his punches.[/quote]
i’m as big of a chuck fan as there is but i would never say he or anyone for that matter has as effective legs as CC. did anyone see that fight were CC nearly dislocated that dudes hip with a vicious low kick.

[quote comment="36124"][quote comment="35933"][quote comment="35856"]Chuck would get mauled.[/quote]
I dont think Liddell would get mauled against CC at all.CC has great punching and kicking skills and so does Liddell.I thinks Chucks leg kicks are just as effective as CC if not better.We just don’t see him use them that often because he usually takes people out with his punches.[/quote]
i’m as big of a chuck fan as there is but i would never say he or anyone for that matter has as effective legs as CC. did anyone see that fight were CC nearly dislocated that dudes hip with a vicious low kick.[/quote]
Yoshida he made verbally tap from knee kicks, and Yamamoto(?) I think kept smiling at Mirko so Mirko beat his leg to a pulp.

[quote post="1842"]AA is definetly in it for a ride. Werdum has submitted alot bigger guys than him, like Aleksander Emelianenko recently. One way or another I expect a great fight and a pretty good event. [/quote]
It seems Fabricio has been by to see how Mirko has been doing under some other BJJ instructors and help guide his training some. Pretty good source there.
Their “falling out” as the press describes it seems to have been b/c they both wanna be champion and felt training together wouldnt be good for either of them. Again, same good source.
Also, Mirko is worth quite a bit, while Fabricio isn’t and he wanted some commensation from training. Mirko felt they were helping each other. One source, not utterly reliable, but worth typing.

I also think that he wants to leave a legacy. He misses his family and his wife also wishes him to retire.

Chuck v Randy again, all the rest come and go, but these to know how to throw them, this series could be best outta 15 and we’d still all pay. Cro cop can have slops

Was Cro cop a little America shy when he first came over? Nice to see he’s relaxing into the media thing now. CC wants liddell, Liddel wants cc, Im almost excited. CC fedor was my ultimat match up, and it lived up to it. Me wants that agian, I think CC could take it this time! Fedor looked a little off against Lindland. What, hes training with Werdum again, what about Jean-CLaude? When is he gonna make his UFC debut? This is off topic, but remember that the lighter side of ufc post on here? I thought of a funny thing and wanted to mention it. Remember that boxer from like one of the first ufc who came into the ring with one boxing glovew on? hahaha, what was he thinking?

If Chuck moves up we could see all kinds of different matches… what about chuck vs. Randy for the HW title?… what if Randy wins and they fight a 5th rubber match? Just a dream I know… but just the thought!!!!

mtu…a couple things..i just watched a couple of my bushido dvds and some fights you mentioned were on there…Minowa vs. Wand…that was a joke, i dont know why people would want to see it, Americans would be pissed, it was shorter than Tito vs Shamrock….and yamamoto smiling at cc while getting his leg bashed in…honestly the nastiest looking leg ive seen after leg kicks, and he stopped smiling after he realized it just pissed him off…also he kept calling timeout haha and when he got done he tried to touch gloves with CC and instead got another leg kick…haha he didnt stand a chance….and these fights just reminded me of how so many people think that Pride ppvs are so much better, and more competative but usually there fights are far more lopsided than UFC

The way I want to see it going down:

-CC beats Gonzaga, Chucky beats rampage.
-CC beats Randy, American fans get pissed and hates CC for retiring their hero (again), Chucky demolishes Rashad Evans(who will beat the newly whipped Otriz) and gets bored.
-CC beats Werdum(who will beat AA, sorry Pitbull), Chucky runs out of guys to beat up at 205 and moves up to HW and fights some has been HW and beats him.
-CC fights Sylvia, Chucky fights Minotauro or some other HW hardass for no. 1 contender.
-Hopefully at the end we get CC vs Chucky if both wins their respective matches.

This is provided Wandi doesn’t find a way to fight Chucky. I gotta be

I know nobody will give Gonzaga a chance in hell, but Anyone legitimately think Randy can beat CC?

cro cop -v liddell is gonna be a dream fight. both fighters are beatable by each other.

no bloody way Rampage iswinning the 205 belt. He isnt the same fighter he was when he beat chuck, chuck isnt the same guy either.

No i don’t believe Randy has a chance against CC. He wouldn’t have beat poopie if Tim would have thrown some high kicks to keep distance. We all know that won’t happen when he fights CC. I agree with Luppers in the sense both huck and CC are beatable by each other, would be a great match-up. And i’ve already expressed my thoughts on the upcoming Rampage fight, Chuck will KO him.

Everyone in any weight division has a chance, to think other wise in naive.

All you people saying Randy hasnt a chance against CC are the same people that said Tim would smash Randy. How can you count him out, seriously? Look at his career, people count him out again and again, he always upsets them, and there is no evidance he has lost a step, not a single step!! I wanna see Randy CC. Sure, Randy is an underdog, but not as big of one as Serra was to St. Pierre. And Randy is the BEST at getting inside.
AA will beat Werdum, and we will have quite the heavyweight battle on our hands.
With all this competition, I dont see CC dominating by any means, maybe holds the belt for a time, but dominating, nah.

[quote comment="36367"]I know nobody will give Gonzaga a chance in hell, but Anyone legitimately think Randy can beat CC?[/quote]

You could never count Randy out..Randy will find a way to close the gap, watch the left leg, and take it to the ground if necessary.

Naive? I think my opinion is the opposite, it’s realistic. And i see a trend here of everyone leveraging the Serra upset as a viable comeback. It was just that, an upset, something that was not forseen or supposed to happen. Anything is a possibilty, but there is always percentages to kepp in mind. Chace occurances are not valid reasons to be arguing something. Randy has a minimal, real minimal, chance at beating Cro Cop, I don’t see it happening. That is if they fight next.

[quote comment="36410"]All you people saying Randy hasnt a chance against CC are the same people that said Tim would smash Randy. How can you count him out, seriously? Look at his career, people count him out again and again, he always upsets them, and there is no evidance he has lost a step, not a single step!! I wanna see Randy CC. Sure, Randy is an underdog, but not as big of one as Serra was to St. Pierre. And Randy is the BEST at getting inside.
AA will beat Werdum, and we will have quite the heavyweight battle on our hands.
With all this competition, I dont see CC dominating by any means, maybe holds the belt for a time, but dominating, nah.[/quote]

Never thought Randy couldn’t beat Tim, actually i favored him in this fight if you look at previous threads. But comparing tim vs Randy and CC vs Randy is like comparing Chuck vs Salmon and Chuck vs Rampage, two totally differant caliber of fighters.

I like both fighters, CC’s striking skills and excitement, and Randy’s guts and determination. A CC/Randy fight is gonna pit Randy as an underdog, no doubt its gonna be the toughest test randy will ever encounter. Problem is that most North American Fans haven’t seen CC at his best.

The Eddie Sanchez fight was a convincing win for CC, but even he admits its one of his most sloppy fights pertaining to the details around his previous injuries, this travel arrangements, etc. I hope UFC 70 will actally display Crop Cop’s A game skills to the UFC fans.

If Randy does beat CC, I would expect it to be Randy devising a gameplan much like the way he did against Chucky. If CC studies Randy’s tapes, he’ll quickly figure out how to prevent and avoid Randy’s takedowns and quite posible knock him out cold.

One thing Exceptional has pointed out though, the HW division is probably UFC’s strongest division now, with newcomers like CC, Nogueira, Werdum making their entry, and guys like Randy moving up in weight class. Added with a respectable cast of Ogre Sylvia and AA and you have a division much like the WW division where any of teh top 5 fighter can be champion on any given night. That being said, can randy win? Absolutely! Is he likely to win, probably not which is why many consider him the underdog.

[quote comment="36459"]Problem is that most North American Fans haven’t seen CC at his best.
[/quote]

The UFC is to blame for that. Since Pride has been sold they should have full access to any recordings of DSE and they could have easily promoted CC with that footage. But they chose to use the lameass Eddie Sanchez fight material, which is very onedimensional, since CC is stalking a scared E.Sanchez for 4 minutes.

[quote]One thing Exceptional has pointed out though, the HW division is probably UFC’s strongest division now, with newcomers like CC, Nogueira, Werdum making their entry, and guys like Randy moving up in weight class.[/quote]

Yea, but the UFC nuthuggers (excuse my french) here seem to forget that those are former Pride fighters mostly and have been considered Top3 fighters (CC and Nog) for a very long time worldwide. Just like they didn’t gave them credit back then (”UFC fighters are better than Pride fighters”), they are (to my understanding) insulting them by indicating that Randy (fresh out of the retirement home) would dominate them with takedowns like they are some school boys.

I am obviously exaggerating here to show my point: if CC was #2 and Big Nog #3 worldwide before, what makes anyone think they’d have a weaker game than they did before?

I’m actually surprised with the Pride sale, that UFC doesn’t have access to their video Archives. As pathetic as it sounds, the only way to catch CC’s best fights are either from Youtube, or through Pride dvds which are not easily accessible.

With Zuffa now swallowing Pride, its almost guaranteed that even more high caliber fighters from Pride will be jumping ship. While Pride has built a legacy for CC and Nog, UFC wil now reap its rewards. It’s sad, but at the end of the day its business. Going back to the point, UFC fans won’t be warming up to CC or NO until 3 or 4 fights in when they displays their skills and legitmately show the UFC audience that they are indeed the Shiet, and that real HW have to bring that level of skill to compete.

In the end, its all good. More exposure of the Sport overall. Now when Nog or CC win the title and the Pride/UFC cross over events become a reality. It only build ups a match with Fedor that much more worldwide.

I personally feel randy has a much better chance against cro cop than serra did against gsp and feel cro cop is obviously the better fighter (on paper but so was gsp). I would be less suprised if randy tko’d cro cop in the first that I was with serra tko’ing gsp. As long as your human, any one can get knocked out, as far as I know mma fighters aren’t invincible. I honestly won’t be too surprised if randy beats cro cop, he’s a smart guy and won’t be chased around and will have a great strategy coming in, and I think he’ll get cro cop down in a similar way fedor did. I won’t be too surprised either if he gets tko’ed or ko’ed if he tries to stand very long with cro cop.

I think in a mma fight randy was about a 30% chance of beating cro cop, in a kick boxing match under 5% he could only win with a lucky punch no way in hell would he out point cro cop. In a wrestling match I think randy has a 70% of beating cro cop the beauty of mma is anything goes. If cro cop can keep it standing which I highly doubt be can for very long then I would say randy has a very slim chance of winning.

Don’t forget Nathan, Cro Cop has some extensive and on going BJJ skills. He is pretty well versed all around.

Randy is old man just wait till he commes to CRO COP hands for sure we will never see after that fight RANDY fighting in the UFC.After that Randy has to watch for a new job or he can ask KAN Shamrock to fight in his backyard.
BOG I HRVATI!!!

[quote post="1842"]I am obviously exaggerating here to show my point: if CC was #2 and Big Nog #3 worldwide before, what makes anyone think they’d have a weaker game than they did before? [/quote]
Thank you YTed. I dont wanna expound for fear of being called a know it all. XXX-VCU Just a plate I saw driving around….

[quote comment="36247"]mtu…a couple things..i just watched a couple of my bushido dvds and some fights you mentioned were on there…Minowa vs. Wand…that was a joke, i dont know why people would want to see it, Americans would be pissed, it was shorter than Tito vs Shamrock….and yamamoto smiling at cc while getting his leg bashed in…honestly the nastiest looking leg ive seen after leg kicks, and he stopped smiling after he realized it just pissed him off…also he kept calling timeout haha and when he got done he tried to touch gloves with CC and instead got another leg kick…haha he didnt stand a chance….and these fights just reminded me of how so many people think that Pride ppvs are so much better, and more competative but usually there fights are far more lopsided than UFC[/quote]
Look, I dont wanna have to kick your butt, Dude. I thought you saw the beauty in Soko beating Lil Nog to understand that Pride gives everyone a chance. Dont forget, Pride doesnt sanction fights until the month before. None of this boxing bullshit 3 months notice. This is MMA. You test your MMA skills against another fighter, not plan on how to defeat one said opponent. ( No, I dont wanna kick you butt, but Dude, you understand better than this! ) Still love ya….I’m sure your not jumping on the dump on MTU bandwagon….

[quote post="1842"]Yea, but the UFC nuthuggers (excuse my french) here seem to forget that those are former Pride fighters mostly and have been considered Top3 fighters (CC and Nog) for a very long time worldwide. Just like they didn’t gave them credit back then (”UFC fighters are better than Pride fighters”), they are (to my understanding) insulting them by indicating that Randy (fresh out of the retirement home) would dominate them with takedowns like they are some school boys.[/quote]

You tapped:

Man I hate the UFC Vs. Pride thing, I hate period that this is not a sport such as football where all the teams, all the best, get to compete, could you imagin if for the superbowl, the two best teams, (this year the Colts and the Bears) couldnt compete cuz they were in different organizations? And Dana said no? haha that would suck! In MMA this is the case, this UFC buying of pride is awsome, hopefully will take away alot of that, its not about UFC vs. Pride, its about MMA and who is the best among divisions, pick your favorite guy, and root for ‘em.
I try to stay out of those, and only get involved when people bash UFC, for one, when anybody, even in pride’s glory days, compared Pride Vs. UFC, I have only ever heard referance to the HW division. Do we forget that UFC kick ass welter weight division’s top 3 or four guys are rated about as good as pride’s best? I dont think, if you look at all divisions, that one has ever been clearly better competition than the other.
But also, you cant look back and say, “CC is a pride fighter fighting in UFC” nah, Crocop, and now NOG and Werdum, are UFC FIGHTERS, or was CC just a K1 fighter fighting in Pride?

To the real fans, we konw who they are and give them the respect that is due, we konw what Randy is in for, to the rest, they are just the drunks in the crowd, who have only ever heard of “iceman” and Tito ortiz.

[quote post="1842"]With Zuffa now swallowing Pride, its almost guaranteed that even more high caliber fighters from Pride will be jumping ship. While Pride has built a legacy for CC and Nog, UFC wil now reap its rewards. It’s sad, but at the end of the day its business. Going back to the point, UFC fans won’t be warming up to CC or NO until 3 or 4 fights in when they displays their skills and legitmately show the UFC audience that they are indeed the Shiet, and that real HW have to bring that level of skill to compete.[/quote]

I don’t think it is really sad, I think UFC and the good
ol USA here with Dana have done, and are doing more for the sport, than was/is Pride, I think its good it has become more unified, like I was saying earlier, hopefully it will ALL be unified, like the NFL, like NBA, one MMA organization, where all the best compete. Also ill say it again, any REAL MMA fan knows who these guys are, and all it will take is one CC high kick for the drunks in the crowd to love him forever, and crave the violance, ignoring the technique and talent and effectivness that is CC.

I can’t wait to see all this PRIDE fighters come to UFC and kick
the ass of all UFC fighters. I’m sick of hearing all the time same names and same people fighting for belt.UFC needs to get more CRO COPS to ufc.

[quote comment="36442"]Naive? I think my opinion is the opposite, it’s realistic. And i see a trend here of everyone leveraging the Serra upset as a viable comeback. It was just that, an upset, something that was not forseen or supposed to happen. Anything is a possibilty, but there is always percentages to kepp in mind. Chace occurances are not valid reasons to be arguing something. Randy has a minimal, real minimal, chance at beating Cro Cop, I don’t see it happening. That is if they fight next.[/quote]

Serra was by far much more of an underdog than Randy will ever be against CC. My point being is that Serra fight was a fluke in MMA, as you pretty much stated above. Couture on the other hand may be underdog but will never be counted out. That’s as realistic as it comes bro. Here’s some more reality for you. Just about everytime that Randy was named underdog the outcome was victory for the exception of Liddell, but Chuck seems to have everybody’s number. This is a good percentage to keep in mind wink! I’m sure you would agree with that one. Couture’s style of fighting is perfect for pulling the win over CC. Thats’ not chance occurance, that’s reality. You just have to watch his fights. I thought GSP would kill Serra. I know CC will destroy Gonzaga. To say CC will beat Couture hands down, and claim that a win by Randy is so slim you would call it chance occurance. Naive? careful when you use that word

I wouldn’t doubt that CC could beat Randy, but I wouldn’t say something crazy like “Oh Randy has minimal chance of beating CC” LOL you gotta be crazy to make such a claim

True Stafo true, but go back and watch Cro cop fight Bob sapp again and look at the way that huge monster was crying from a jab in the cheek that didn’t even knock him out. After that I would say Randy has a slim chance of winning. This of course is backed up by the 2 knockouts Randy received at the hands of Chuck Lidell. Besides you know how they say “styles make fights”? Well opinions make forums so don’t attack this guy for stating his.

[quote comment="36714"]I can’t wait to see all this PRIDE fighters come to UFC and kick
the ass of all UFC fighters. I’m sick of hearing all the time same names and same people fighting for belt.UFC needs to get more CRO COPS to ufc.[/quote]

theres only 1 CRO COP, mr Thuglife

It’s true there is only one CRO COP but whan he takes the belt will be like is 100 of them mr. messy.

BLOODYMess
It was the kick to the stomach that windin him, not the jab. Randy WILL get inside, its just weather or not he will be able to do much in there.

Again though, EVERYTHING you say is only the Heavyweight division. You guys are so one dimensional. UFC’s welter and Below KILLS pride’s, the middleweight is pretty even. Lightheavy was always pretty even, and yes, the heavy weight division killed UFC’s. All that, and that was in Pride’s glory days.

And CURRENTLY? What is pride anymore? There DONE piece. UFC is the place to be. Look at how many jumped ship. The minute they jumped ship there NOT pride fighters anymore. All pride has now is Fedor and Shogon, and I don’t think Shogon could top Liddell. Shogon is overrated if you ask me. Shogun’s highest level competition is overeem and Rampage, if you actually look at his record on the pride site, most of his fights are virtual no names. Im sick of all this Pride kick’s UFC ass crap. Especially with the current events taking place.
UFC weathered the storm, took a few shots, got inside, went for the double leg, and is now pounding Pride away.
Not saying it is anywhere near it right now, but it is slowly turning into what WEC is for UFC. It will probably land somewhere inbetween UFC and WEC at this rate. Sorry to say it, but lets face it, they’re losin to much at this rate to keep going anywhere near UFC’s level of competition.

I told you UFC is boring place whit the same names Dana needs to bring more fighters from outside of UFC , and fights for belts will be more interesting.
BOG I HRVATI!!!

[quote comment="36773"]Again though, EVERYTHING you say is only the Heavyweight division. You guys are so one dimensional. UFC’s welter and Below KILLS pride’s, the middleweight is pretty even. Lightheavy was always pretty even, and yes, the heavy weight division killed UFC’s. All that, and that was in Pride’s glory days.

And CURRENTLY? What is pride anymore? There DONE piece. UFC is the place to be. Look at how many jumped ship. The minute they jumped ship there NOT pride fighters anymore. All pride has now is Fedor and Shogon, and I don’t think Shogon could top Liddell. Shogon is overrated if you ask me. Shogun’s highest level competition is overeem and Rampage, if you actually look at his record on the pride site, most of his fights are virtual no names. Im sick of all this Pride kick’s UFC ass crap.

Especially with the current events taking place.
UFC weathered the storm, took a few shots, got inside, went for the double leg, and is now pounding Pride away.
Not saying it is anywhere near it right now, but it is slowly turning into what WEC is for UFC. It will probably land somewhere inbetween UFC and WEC at this rate. Sorry to say it, but lets face it, they’re losin to much at this rate to keep going anywhere near UFC’s level of competition.[/quote]

I saw this year’s ago happening, even through the PRIDE glory days. Obviously those days have come and gone. I would take crap all the time from people about liking the UFC over PRIDE

Get ready for 21.st and don’t wink shit will be quick.

Fedor vs CRO COP in the UFC will be a dream.

[quote comment="36766"]BLOODYMess
It was the kick to the stomach that windin him, not the jab. Randy WILL get inside, its just weather or not he will be able to do much in there.[/quote]

really it was a kick, I couldn’t see it very good, but I was wondering. I kind of thought he had broken Sapp’s cheek bone or something. thanks for clearing that up

Chuck stands a puncher’s chance against CC, but Cro Cop would knock him out before the end of the first round. Chuck hangs his hands too low and is used to dominating in his weight class. He relies on his power as his advantage, but moving up against CC takes that advantage away. Chuck will beat Rampage though, unfortunately.

[quote comment="37018"]Chuck stands a puncher’s chance against CC, but Cro Cop would knock him out before the end of the first round. Chuck hangs his hands too low and is used to dominating in his weight class. He relies on his power as his advantage, but moving up against CC takes that advantage away. Chuck will beat Rampage though, unfortunately.[/quote]
Ok in a fight with Cro Cop and Lidell, you can forget about what chuck is used to and what you are used to seeing cause it wont be the same. It will be a new chuck that trained to fight Crocop and wont fight the same, He wont keep his hands down or expect to dominate like he does at 205. People think these guy’s are so one dimensional and will fight the same every time, but really game plans actually do change according to the opponent!

I dunno man, I’ve never heard of Chuck really preparing for each individual like you hear of some fighters do. I can’t even imagin a stance different from the “Chuck Stance” he has right now. I think that’s just his comfortable stance, and actually, the arm placement he has now, I think has a lot to do with the wider awkward angles he can throw from, with the looping punches. Yeah if anything that is the one advantage Chuck will have coming into this fight. I dunno if CC has fought a striker that can throw from such a variety. CC is pretty one dimensional straight puncher, albiet THE most effective hands down, in the game.

[quote comment="36766"]BLOODYMess
It was the kick to the stomach that windin him, not the jab. Randy WILL get inside, its just weather or not he will be able to do much in there.[/quote]

Thats plain wrong. He shattered his orbital bone with the jab, that’s why he tapped. You can also see him on the verge of crying and holding his hand close to his face but kinda like being scared of touching the broken bone. It must have hurt as hell.

Oh shoot your right. Sorry about that. Bob Sapp is so unbelieavably slow. Anyway, Randy whole game has been getting inside, im sure he will, lets see what he can do with that.

and STAFO you said:
[quote post="1842"]I saw this year’s ago happening, even through the PRIDE glory days. Obviously those days have come and gone. I would take crap all the time from people about liking the UFC over PRIDE[/quote]
In reply to my post about UFC and Pride and all that, I didnt really understand what you were saying there.

Let’s say time is for a change it’s time for new people to have the belts for ICEMAN and RANDY is time to say goodby “belts are not forever”.

blah blah cro cop aint gonna be no heavyweight champ lol he done got the breaks kicked out of his ass by an unrated fighter lmao oh well for him

last night was one of the biggest upsets ever. i thought cro cop was gonna walk through the ufc including couture and he loses his second fight. what the hell.
next month’s fight is gonna be sick. people who think liddell is gonna knock out rampage are in for a suprise. if you think liddell hits hard rampage hits harder. it’s gonna be a great fight.

cro cop will come back !!

The fight Cro Cop – Gonzaga was …. interesting. Not an easy thing (even) to imagine Cro Cop did not have ONE SINGLE KICK AGAINST GONZAGA.

Something is DEFINITELY WRONG.

[quote comment="41161"]The fight Cro Cop – Gonzaga was …. interesting. Not an easy thing (even) to imagine Cro Cop did not have ONE SINGLE KICK AGAINST GONZAGA.

Something is DEFINITELY WRONG.[/quote]
Not counting the one Gonzaga caught and used to take CC to the ground, from which point CC was completely out of the fight. Wierd.

“Weird.”

Can’t believe cro cop just went down like that.