why

[quote comment="33810"]why[/quote]

Why don’t you just read the damn article if you wanna know why?

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Dream Stage Entertainment issued a press release stating that Lorenzo Fertitta has asked for the PRIDE 5/20 Saitama Super Arena event (the promotion’s Lightweight GP tournament – first round) to be postponed. “There is not enough time for production and promotion.”
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See .. was that so hard?

BTW: I like that move, because it shows that Lorenzo does indeed care to bring back the glory days of Pride. The cards and fights always have been awesome and (in my opinion) outclasses the UFC events, but the production and shows sometimes could have been done better (esp. Pride 34). If postponing makes sure this will be a great GP, then I am all for it.

I told you all last week. There has been a slight “uprising” shall we say from some of the Pride fighters having to conform to the UFC’s ( NSAC’s ) weight classes. Pride fighters dont cut weight. The Japanese, and hence the gaijin who fight there, think it is unsportsman-like and a dis to the Bushido. The Pride fighters wont fight at 155, period. I am not positive this is the reason, but I’d put money on it that its a part of it. I have heard several times that the weight limit for the LWGP would be raised to around 165, like it normally is for GPs. We shall see.

YTed, most here have never seen any of the GPs. They have no idea what they are in for. Greatest MMA events in the world.

[quote comment="33816"]YTed, most here have never seen any of the GPs. They have no idea what they are in for. Greatest MMA events in the world.[/quote]

Their fav fighters usually do one fight in a 2-3 months period and if they can stand 3 rounds they call them cardio monsters and stuff like that. Once the UFC fighters have proved themselves at a GP where they need to fight their way to the top thru other fighters in consecutive matches we’ll finally see what they are made of.

I also agree about the cuttin’ weight part. That’s why I found it ridiculous when people said during the Liddell-CroCop rumor, that CroCop should be the one cuttin’ weight instead of Chuck simply fighting at his normal weight. If you run around with 20lbs above your weightclass then you’re cheating in my book (maybe with the exception of cuttin weight to win an additional belt in other weightclasses).

maybe it has nothing to do with the pride fighters, maybe they want to make sure they have enough good ufc guys to send over there so they can show the ufc can compete, if they hold off a month and do it in june then maybe daddy and ken flo and diego and all these guys can go over there…how can the pride guys who fight at 160 have a problem fighting at 155?? its only 5 damn pounds, sounds like a bunch of whiners over there…

Liddell has said he is normally 230, which is higher than Mirko’s natural weight. Mirko has never needed to cut weight, since he’s been a HW since the early middle of his K-1 career.
So, who can make it in a GP final round from the UFC?
Just some names to throw around–
Diego, Hughes, Marquardt, Nog, Mirko, Quinton, Liddell (?), Couture, Werdum, GSP, Poopie, Machida, Florian…
Those we know would never make it–
Swick, Penn, Kos ( blankets dont work in Pride ), Sherk, Tito…
Anymore?

i’m looking forward to this lw grand prix as much as anyone and if it takes a little delay to make it right then i’m all for that, i just wish we could get some details as to why, if it does have something to do with the rule changes and the pride guys not wanting to adapt then thats a problem and some how we need to fix that, i like the idea of both organizations fighting under unified weight classes and unified rules, it makes sense, i can see a guy who fight at 160 not wanting to fight guys that are really 180 and just cutting weight, but i think its crazy to think they don’t cut weight over there, maybe i’m wrong, i’m not as knowledgeable about pride as mtufc or youtapped or some other guys, but i am looking forward to events like this because of that because i want to gain more knowledge of their fighters, i thinks its a kick ass idea to have the gp format and i can’t wait, i hope we can make their guys comfortable fighting for their new owners, i’d hate to see fighters for the first time not fighting like they’re really into it or just being there because they would have to, that would be a disaster…

also if its gonna be unified rules we should take some of their rules too like the yellow card system and all that, it should be more of a comprimise than the ufc forcing itself upon pride, i can see how the japanese fans and even fighters would take offense to that…

[quote comment="33845"]maybe it has nothing to do with the pride fighters, maybe they want to make sure they have enough good ufc guys to send over there so they can show the ufc can compete, if they hold off a month and do it in june then maybe daddy and ken flo and diego and all these guys can go over there…how can the pride guys who fight at 160 have a problem fighting at 155?? its only 5 damn pounds, sounds like a bunch of whiners over there…[/quote]
Nah, man. For one, its not about the cut, its the code. Second, the Pride guys that fight at 161, ARE 161. The UFC 155ers are around 170 by fight time. Dont forget these guys are weighting in at 4pm the day before a fight, so 30 hours to put back on the lost water weight is ridiculous. Third, most Asians that fight in Pride arent super muscular, more bone dense. Not as much soft tissue to cut from, such as Mach or Ryo, with exceptions like Aoki or Gomi in the minority.
But it goes deeper than this, Pride as an organization has stated many times that cutting weight is not healthy, and as Bushido is a complete code for living, it is almost unthought of to do something to the body that does not promote wellness.
If somewhere in your head you are thinking wellness? unhealthy? they fight for crissakes! Then, you dont understand the Bushido.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bushido
Pride fighters are looked at by the Japanese as the modern Samarui. Some gaijin fighters have actually been accepted as kaiteki gaijin samarui, meaning they have become samarui even though they arent Japanese. Rare, hell yeah, but Mirko, Wandy, Coleman, and Rua are some.

You’ll learn spida. You’ve proven your a true MMA fan. Seriously, just Dailymotion Crocop, Ryo Chonan, Mach Sakarui, Grand Prix, Gomi, Aoki, Nogueira, Fedor, Denis Kang, Kitaoka, Shogun Rua ( a must ), Ricardo Arona, Aurelio, Werdum, Joachim Hansen, Kharitonov, Mishima, Murilo Rua, Sakuraba ( until Fedor, considered the best MMAer in the world ), and of course, Wanderlei Silva. Anyone of those guys would be in immediate title contention in the UFC. Any of em. And most, IMHO, are ranked higher than the current UFC champ in their weight class.

So, who can make it in a GP final round from the UFC?
Just some names to throw around–
Diego, Hughes, Marquardt, Nog, Mirko, Quinton, Liddell (?), Couture, Werdum, GSP, Poopie, Machida, Florian…
Those we know would never make it–
Swick, Penn, Kos ( blankets dont work in Pride ), Sherk, Tito…
Anymore?[/quote]

oh come on man Penn? his cardio is not that bad, i hope he does join cause I see him as a finalist. And you do think Sylvia would make it? and what about AA and A silva ?

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oh come on man Penn? his cardio is not that bad, i hope he does join cause I see him as a finalist. And you do think Sylvia would make it? and what about AA and A silva ?[/quote]

Penn definetly has the skills and even the heart – but unfortunately only during a fight. He has/had so much potential, but he is lousy at getting in shape for a fight, so I don’t see him being able to last 3-4 fights in a row.

PENN?!?!?! He gasses every single fight lately. Are you kidding?
Poopie, I hate to admit, has great cardio and KO power in both hands and both feet. Always good for a GP.
AA, maybe, almost included him. But I dont think he is a top ten HW, so I doubt he makes it out of the first round.
A Silva, no way. I love the guy as a fighter, but watch his fight with Chonan. He had nothing in the tank at the end. Silva survives with his striking usually, but as I have said before, he doesnt have the frame to last in MMA against quality opposition, and one reason is his cardio. When presses, he gasses. Something Rich needs to remember. I picked Silva over Franklin the first time. Not the second.
Damn, forgot about Rich. He can make it in next years LHW GP. Man, that’s gonna be a sick GP also now. Lotta great 205ers out there now to pick from.

i think that their doing this meanly because they want to take the best ufc fighters over there and this is going to give them the time to do it. they probably are going to give hughes the title shot and after that send him to the gp as well as some others.

Here’s a fight from Shockwave 2005. I hate to post this, since Mach looked so bad. But when GP title is on the line, it all hangs out.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sakurai/video/x10nfy_takanori-gomi-vs-hayato-sakurai

Remember, to Pride fighters, GP titles mean much more than belts. Wandy would have given up his 205 belt in a heartbeat to have the OWGP title last year. Any of em would have, including Fedor, if he wasnt injured at the time. Something Fedor still talks about.

Well one more question for you guys, how many rounds are there in the LWGP? Don’t they split it up into 2 nights?

is that a real promotional poster you have up there, mania?

[quote comment="33893"]is that a real promotional poster you have up there, mania?[/quote]

Yes, it has been handed out at Pride 34.

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Well one more question for you guys, how many rounds are there in the LWGP? Don’t they split it up into 2 nights?
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In a Pride GP usually 16 fighters compete. At the OWGP there have been 3 events. The “Total Elimination” event usually sorts out the last 16, so 8 fighters enter the next event: “Critical Countdown”. Then you have finally 4 fighters who compete at the last PrideFC OWGP, so semi-finals and finals are at the same evening, which usually means 2 matches in less than 2 hours for a fighter.

Since there was no elimination tournament or something alike I assume for the LWGP that there’ll be two events or two days, because you have 15 fights and thats not possible in the usual format. So either (like the poster indicates) there will be only 12 fighters or we have 2 days/events ahead of us with amazing fights.

So the most a guy would fight in one night is twice right? In that case I’m sure Penn could handle it. So if thats the poster, is the lineup accurate? cause i doubt Matt Hughes has the balls to enter, and isn’t Nick Diaz supposed to be in it? Gomi? Sakurai?

To add to YTed post, they also only fight 2 rounds at first, a 10 and a 5. Then in the semis and finals, its one 10 and two 5s. Fighters who get a lot of decisions have NEVER done well in the GPs. So….
BJ hasnt had a sub or TKO in over 3 years, all decisions, other than getting crucified by MHs. Penn gassed after 3 rds with Hughes, and wasnt sharp at the end vs. GSP or Gracie or Machida. So, he can fight 10 then two 5s twice in one night? There’s fan-dom, and then there’s delerium.
Sakurai is there, seventh over.
Fighters have not been confirmed yet. Pride has a habit of putting ppl on event posters who arent fighting that night, like Wandy at 34, and Fedor and Mirko numerous times.
I wanna see any of these crying LWs on TUF ( Totally Ungracious Fairies ) try there hand at this.

MoreThanUfc and tha spida should make out, again.

Satoru Kitaoka — first confirmed LWGP entrant.

Not a big name, but hey: he defeated Tanaka and Pellegrino (both with Guillotines), so who knows. I think thats his Pride debut too.

[quote comment="33975"]Not a big name, but hey: he defeated Tanaka and Pellegrino (both with Guillotines), so who knows. I think thats his Pride debut too.[/quote]
NOT A BIG NAME!?!?!? I know, most here dont know anything about Pride, I doubt any of them know a thing about Pancrase. Be interesting to see how he does. Maybe a first round win, we’ll see.
More posts per hour on the National Inquirer threads ( Melvin, Hughes laughing, Dana vs Tito, etc ) than on this one. What does that say?

Yea, I know the boy got skills, I meant he isn’t part of the UFC vs. PrideFC thing that is apparently going down at the LWGP. As for Pancrase: I only check the results, there is no way to watch it in my country, so I am somewhat of damned to ignorance on that topic.

Anyway – waiting for the first big UFC/Pride names to be confirmed and start making up dream-matchups in my mind.

[quote post="1807"]Anyway – waiting for the first big UFC/Pride names to be confirmed and start making up dream-matchups in my mind. [/quote]
I’ve been doing that all day….
Mach vs anybody He’s winning it all this time.
Diego vs Chonan ( the one I wanna see )
Aoki vs Hughes
Gomi vs Sherk or Florian

Do you guys know where to watch the post fight conferences for UFC?

From MMAWeekly:

At the post-fight press conference of the final DSE run Pride event on April 8, Pride Executive Director Nobuhiko Takada confirmed the following participants for the Lightweight Grand Prix: Takanori Gomi, Hayato Sakurai, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Shinya Aoki, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Gilbert Melendez, Joachim Hansen, Marcus Aurelio, and Luis Azeraedo. Satoru Kitaoka also earned a spot in the Grand Prix by defeating Fabricio Monteiro at the last DEEP event.

With the purchase of Pride by the Fertittas there has been much discussion about instilling the Unified Rules — which are widely accepted in America and the rules which the Ultimate Fighting Championship operates under — to govern Pride events. The question of which rules to operate the “new” Pride under and the whole process of transferring ownership of the company are likely mitigating factors in the delay of the Grand Prix.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ufc+69/video/x1nxv3_ufc-69-post-presser

Post press conference

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/ufc+69/video/x1nxs6_atb-ufc-69-serra-and-gsp

Serra and GSP post comments.

[quote comment="34028"]Nobuhiko Takada confirmed the following participants for the Lightweight Grand Prix: Takanori Gomi, Hayato Sakurai, Tatsuya Kawajiri, Shinya Aoki, Mitsuhiro Ishida, Gilbert Melendez, Joachim Hansen, Marcus Aurelio, and Luis Azeraedo. Satoru Kitaoka also earned a spot in the Grand Prix by defeating Fabricio Monteiro at the last DEEP event.
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Just made my day. I believe this time Mach will take it. The rascal pissed me off with the lame-ass Pride 33 performance (not trying to take anything away from Nick Diaz, he did a fine job). So much talent among those names. I’m very curious how Aurelio and Melendez will perform. I wonder if we’ll ever see Aoki without his tights. I heard some fighters are pissed because they benefit his takedown defense and make his legs tot slippery for submissions, not sure how much truth lies behind that.

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Diego vs Chonan ( the one I wanna see )
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Isn’t Chonan a middleweight or something? Last time I saw him was against Henderson I believe.

Thanks alot MTUFC I’m always looking for those and they never have them on youtube or anything. I love to hear what the fighters have to say for themselves

[quote post="1807"]PENN?!?!?! He gasses every single fight lately. Are you kidding?[/quote]

You might gas too if you had a broken rib. I think many people failed to realize his lackluster effort in the 3rd round against Hughes was not because he wasn’t in shape but because he broke a rib late in the second round right before he went for the triangle to finish the fight. That is rediculous to think that Penn doesn’t have a chance to win against anyone except for GSP so he certainly could win the GP.

[quote post="1807"]Isn’t Chonan a middleweight or something? Last time I saw him was against Henderson I believe. [/quote]
Yeah, I’m dreaming remember….
Nah, I has just watched Mach beat him, and forgot Mach went up for that one.
Then I started thinking, man Diego and Ryo would be the shit.
Remember his leglock on A Silva? That one and Shamrocks on Bas are my 2 favorite leg subs of all time.
No, I doubt Ryo would be here at the LWGP, and I guess for me that’s good. I would never root against one of my top five fighters in Mach, but I always pull for the Pirahna, otherwise.

I dont know why I’m trying to argue with TUF fans. I know, BJ is a TUF coach, so he must be one of the greatest fighters alive. Look, I like the guy, and when he commits ( those rare times ) he is amazing. But seriously, his only notable wins in his life are Gomi ( he wasnt GOMI yet ) and the Hughes win which has been avenged. Losses to Pulver, Machida, and GSP. And he has gassed in nearly every fight in the last 3 years. Did he break a rib against GSP, Renzo, and Machida also? No, HE GASSED every time in those fights, win or lose.
But, I’m sure he can go 40 mins in one night….~\~ He’s a TUF coach….

A shout out to Joe Rogan and Luke Cummo. And it’s a canadien website. Go figure….

agree with morethanufc on that one!

I been watching forever And I watch Tuff (whats better on reg tv) And I like BJ Penn. Does bashing other people all day make us super smart or super tough? Does someones stamp of who’s a true fan really matter? New fans bring new dollars to the sport. Allowing more events and hopefully better pay. Why belittle new people or mutually mastubate each other here? Do we get paid for it? Not trying to start nothing…just saying.

BJ Penn is great because he is a tuf coach, he is just incredibly skilled. MorethanUFC claims the Hughes win has been avenged? Yeah but c’mon, Penn was dominating that fight the whole time until the rib. He didnt gas. The only obvious time he gassed was GSP, in which he gave GSP his first loss in any round GSP has ever foughtin. (Even in his first loss to hughes, the judges were at first giving it to GSP). Gassed to Machida? He fought hard all the way to a descision with someone two weight classes above him, someone Rich Franklin couldnt even hang with. And the RENZO fight, are you effin kidding me!!!! How can you say he gassed, when even AS the final bell rang, Penn had just gained the mount position on arguably the BEST gracie, again, a weight class above Penn’s normal. Don’t get me started on Penn, there is not a fighter out there who has “bested”, or “out fought” him, especially in his weight. One on one, would defeat any of those, Hughes, GSP, Gomi, Sakarai. It would be interesting in a GP.

*BJ penn is NOT great becasue…. (forgot the ‘NOT’)

Questions, Tommy. When is it ok to blogbeat someone? When they claim fights are fixed? How about when they make such a ridiculous statement that’s it clear they have no idea what they are talking about? Or maybe when someone knows 20 fighters, then proclaim those 20 fighters to be the greatest alive? How bout ppl who make comments, then when they are incapable of supporting their beliefs have to resort to personal attacks? Hmmm. Any, none?

Last comment on BJ for awhile — a 10-4-1 record, an inability to finish anyone or fight hard for more than 10 mins, a lazy attitude to training, a chip the size of Texas on his shoulder, and his propencity for saying the most asinine things ( I’m calling out Wanderlei Silva to fight me! ) do not make him a great fighter, they make him a lazy, crazy, mediocre fighter who gets great press. Call me when he beats someone in the top 15 because its been a loooong time.

If ya’ll dont know about BJ calling out Wandy, here it is:
http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/BJ+Penn/video/x19s4u_bj-penn-calling-out-wanderlei

I want to see Lytle participate. He may get worked but that guy is a work horse, and his conditioning is great. He deserves it after Hughes match fight

I too agree that only a dummy with no knowledge of fighting thinks that GSP threw that fight or that the Kos/Sanchez fight was a fix. Does that mean I say so every time I see it on here? Am I the ufc police? Or the defender of all that is mma? Especially when most of this Is simply opinion. Of course someone new will be amazed with the first fighters they see and think they are the best. Be glad someone bets on the losers. People personally attacking do make me laugh…but do we govern ourselves according to how others act? Do we speak in an abrasive way as to cause some to attack us? So yes..maybe even all mtu…but in life we must pick our battles, and not all are worth fighting or even winning. To try to prove my point. I understand how you feel about BJ. However the opposite side of that coin is…his losses come to the best there is in their perspective weight classes and they were battles..not one sided fights. This in a division he was told was too big and laughed at for trying..till he won the belt. They say Oh Rampage should get more time to be ready. Penn came back fighting the best in a large division, for him, and is still right there in wars. Do I have to like Everything a fighter says to like him…nope…but thats just me. At least he makes me laugh.

BJ should definetly be in there. I hope Ken-flo, Franca, Daddy, Diego, Lytle, Sherk, and ????? I hope Guillard get his shit together. Hughes would be a dream, but he’s too much of a premadonna. Burkman would be a good fit. Cannot forget Huerta. Tyson Griffen might be a good fit as well.

what about frank edgar or leonard garcia, those guys might not have much of a chance of winning but they sure do come to fight and their styles might impress the japanese fans if nothing else, and who knows, they might get lucky and win a match or two…

griffin and huerta in my opinion are two of the best and i think they could both possibly excel in the grand prix format, its seems like neither of them get tired, same with lytle…bottom line is that we have a bunch of guys we could send over there and like i said above even if they don’t win maybe we could win over some japanese fans…

Sherk and Franca will not be possible since they are fighting soon. Griffin has a fight coming up. Penn and Pulver are occupied. Guillard can’t possibly get off with less than a 6 month suspension, so he is out.

I would say Florian, Stevenson, Edgar, Fisher are all possible. Braga is having trouble with his visa, so he could go to Japan to fight. Diego could make the weight, it is a question of will the UFC send him and does he want to go. I would say Stevenson has a great shot to take it.

[quote comment="34146"]I too agree that only a dummy with no knowledge of fighting thinks that GSP threw that fight or that the Kos/Sanchez fight was a fix. Does that mean I say so every time I see it on here? Am I the ufc police? Or the defender of all that is mma? Especially when most of this Is simply opinion. Of course someone new will be amazed with the first fighters they see and think they are the best. Be glad someone bets on the losers. People personally attacking do make me laugh…but do we govern ourselves according to how others act? Do we speak in an abrasive way as to cause some to attack us? So yes..maybe even all mtu…but in life we must pick our battles, and not all are worth fighting or even winning. To try to prove my point. I understand how you feel about BJ. However the opposite side of that coin is…his losses come to the best there is in their perspective weight classes and they were battles..not one sided fights. This in a division he was told was too big and laughed at for trying..till he won the belt. They say Oh Rampage should get more time to be ready. Penn came back fighting the best in a large division, for him, and is still right there in wars. Do I have to like Everything a fighter says to like him…nope…but thats just me. At least he makes me laugh.[/quote]

I just quoted that cause it was real. Very well put Tommy, by the way didn’t Bj become the 1st guy to win some big BJJ competition after training for 3 years? Thats noteworthy as well.

[quote comment="33812"][quote comment="33810"]why[/quote]

Why don’t you just read the damn article if you wanna know why?

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Dream Stage Entertainment issued a press release stating that Lorenzo Fertitta has asked for the PRIDE 5/20 Saitama Super Arena event (the promotion’s Lightweight GP tournament – first round) to be postponed. “There is not enough time for production and promotion.�?
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See .. was that so hard?

BTW: I like that move, because it shows that Lorenzo does indeed care to bring back the glory days of Pride. The cards and fights always have been awesome and (in my opinion) outclasses the UFC events, but the production and shows sometimes could have been done better (esp. Pride 34). If postponing makes sure this will be a great GP, then I am all for it.[/quote]
WELL YOU TAPPED THE ARTICLE WASN’T SHOWING WHEN I WENT TO IT SO I ASKED THE BEST NEXT THING YOU GUYS,BUT THANKS FOR LETTIN ME KNOW

Whats the actual weight that the LWGP is getting held at. I cant see Matt Hughes making 155lbs.

[quote comment="34413"]Whats the actual weight that the LWGP is getting held at. I cant see Matt Hughes making 155lbs.[/quote]
That’s what I’ve been talking about this whole time! Read back up the posts jb.

Is it, lol i just read the last couple of post then add to the blog.

I keep hearing 165. Now that it is postponed, I’m pretty sure it’ll be close to that. Hayato wont cut, and without him, this whole thing is pointless, kinda like the OWGP last year without Fedor. Yeah, Mirko won, but slightly tainted without the best in the world.

Edgar and Lytle would take Franca and Sherk’s spots because of their up coming fights. I don’t think Garcia is nowhere near ready for something like this. It should be BJ, Ken-flo, Diego, Huerta, Griffen, Daddy, Lytle, Edgar. Pulver would be good but I think he wants to focus on BJ fight. Although it would be good for him to show and atleast get out of first round. BJ is a beast he better do it regardless of upcoming fight with Pulver. Guillard is definetly out. That sucks! I hope Nick Diaz gets to participate on the PRIDE side. I heard they named their 8 already, actually 9 and Diaz wasn’t in that mix

Even if it goes up to 165 I don’t think Hughes will participate. Although it would be great to see the big mouth country boy hang with more than one fight in a night where all the guys he could possibly see are world class.

[quote post="1807"]I heard they named their 8 already, actually 9 and Diaz wasn’t in that mix [/quote]
It’s not broken down 8 ufc 8 pride. This is really a Pride event with invitations to UFC fighters. The 155 ( 161 ) division is still new again in the UFC and the talent pool isnt there yet. It will be, some great ones coming up, but most arent near ready for a GP. I like the Edgar pick, along with Stevenson and mayber Florian, but Huerta is not at this level yet. The rest…fodder.

What about Karo? Any chance of him getting in this?

Joe stevenson would be awsome to see in there, and sherk, but again, no one is close to the same level BJ is at. I hate that he is sidelined currently with the stupid TUF series, and can hardly wait so people can stop hating on him, whenever anybody says anything, its just outrages comments, with nothing to back it up.
Guillard couldnt hang anyway, you wanna talk about gassing? Look at his fights that have gone longer than one round, he’s done. FLorian didnt look good in his last fight. BJ wont be in it with all he has going on right now, if Hughes is i’d be pulling for him easily, assuming he dosnt try to be a striker. And if Gomi gasses like he did against Nick Diaz when he LOST, he’ll be a goner for sure. IF Hughes is in it, I put my money on him right now.