what an idiot koscheck is, matt hughes would rip his head off his neck, this nobody who’s fought nobody and beat nobody needs to come back down to planet earth and learn how to shut his damn mouth…

Matt Hughes is old – and will never hold the title again.

The only reason he’s still fighting is to upgrade his farm equipment.

he’s a better wrestler than matt hughes and matt hughes is old dumb hill billy so yeah koscheck has got a point!

He is not old!Only 33 years young.Look at randy couture.Koschek has to get his ass kicked, and come back to the ground. what an asshole~~

I hope Diego does to Kos what he did to Karo, a little dentistry.

KOS is right Hughes ie washed up and i wish the UFC would quit protecting him. Just like Franklin i wish they would quit protecting him too.

how can u say the ufc is protecting hughes and franklin when they both recently lost their belts???

UrTastingToeCheese “I hope Diego does to Kos what he did to Karo, a little dentistry.”

hahahahahahahahah, hell yeah

[quote comment="23820"]how can u say the ufc is protecting hughes and franklin when they both recently lost their belts???[/quote]
CHRis Lytle
jason McDonald that is protecting because franklin will get a title shot after Nathan and i wouldnt be surprized to see Hughes get on a well

I dont think that Hughes is finished, but I think that Kos has a crack at him. I also think that any of the 170 pounders has a shot at beating him. Hughes has been submitted three times in his career. Twice by Dennis Hallman and again by BJ Penn. Hes also been knocked out twice. once by Pele and the other by GSP. The Problem with Kos is that I dont think that Kos can he can do either and Hughes has never lost a decision. Hughes’ cardio is off the wall. I think it would be a very competitive fight. I give the Wrestling egde slightly to Kos. The Submision Egde to Hughes. The stand up to Hughes. If Matt wants a fight to test his Sprawl and Brawl, this one would definitly be it. I’ll take Hughes by very, very close decision. And im not even a Matt Hughes fan.

[quote post="1647"]KOS is right Hughes ie washed up and i wish the UFC would quit protecting him. Just like Franklin i wish they would quit protecting him too. [/quote]

This is a far cry from when alot of the people of this sight were picking JMac and now you say he was protected because he outclassed a fighter he was better than.

they both deserve a shot at their titles back, thats not protecting them, it happens everywhere, if the champ loses after holding the belt forever than he deserves a rematch with the guy who dethroned him, and chris lytle and jason mcdonald are both contenders and good ass fighters, you know nothing…

if hughes fought koscheck, which should not and won’t ever happen, hughes would dominate every round if he didn’t submit kos’ pussy ass…

there is no way koscheck has the advantage in wrestling, hughes is too strong and would manhandle the blanky

Spida. At pure 100% wrestling. Kos is definitely better. He did better in College and was a National Champ. I think at this point in time, Matts ground game is more suited for mma though. I’ll definitely take Hughes overall ground game over Kos’s blanket, dont get me wrong

Hughes would not man-handle Kos. I’m not that impressed with either as a viewer because they are both fairly one dimensional. No matter which one of them one, it would most likely be one of the most boring fights in history.

its really irrelavant they both cant beat diego or Gsp and really I cant see either beating Karo.

I would like to see Kos step up to 185 and fight either Anderson Silva or Nathan Marquarht. Let us see the blanket work against either of them.
I would be afraid to see Kos fight GSP. He just might win by blanketing him for 25 mins a la Obrien over Herring.

are you crazy dude, silva would murder koscheck, it might be the first death in ufc history…

LMAO at this statement. Isnt Hughs like 32 or something, So I guess Lidell and Coutier are also over the hill. Give me a break Koscheck I guess we will see if he can last in this sport till hes in his 30’s.

Koscheck can’t beat matt hughes, no way. His over confidence will be his down fall and urtasitingtoecheese…….Gsp would clown koscheck, he would be lucky to make it past the first round. Hughes is only 33, hardly over the hill….Couture is 43 and look what he did, Hughes isn’t getting worse, his competition is getting better.

I wish more commentators on this site knew more about grappling, to me the more experienced one is on grappling the more one doesn’t find it boring. I find all aspects of mma exiting on the ground or feet, watch kick boxing if you find grappling boring.

The age thing is very ignorant on his part as three of them are as old or older than Hughes

by them I meant the current UFC champions.

yeah i agree with nathan, if you think ground wars are boring you need to watch another sport…

Hughes is one of the best fighters out there. Kos is a joke Nightmare will blow through him in no time. Kos should stick to B level fighters and stop running his mouth about the big boys. Hughs would run through Diego, so I’d hate to see him fight Kos. It would be like fighting a girl.

[quote comment="23890"]they both deserve a shot at their titles back, thats not protecting them, it happens everywhere, if the champ loses after holding the belt forever than he deserves a rematch with the guy who dethroned him, and chris lytle and jason mcdonald are both contenders and good ass fighters, you know nothing…[/quote]
dude come on man you know those two fights where givin to hghes and franklin because they were easy fights for them. They are Protected and everyone knows it.

Koscheck has a point here but it doesnt matter goes sanchez is still gonna beat him decent…then we getta wait and watch sanchez beat the crap out of hughes which i think everyone is waiting to see!

KOs, have you lost your mind, you’d be distroyed boy! Id be rooten’ for ya, but youd be killed!

Hughes maybe old for the sport but not old by any means. I still think Hughes would run a how to clinic with Koscheck. He is not that good yet. HE has fought a whole bunch og nobodies and considers himself great. The one guy he fought who was good, not great, submitted him. At least Diego has a few names under his belt KAro and Nick Diaz. If he thinks he is on hughes level they should feed him to the lions den. Give him competitors so he can loose his way out of the UFC, him and his lay an pray tactics……………….

Hughes maybe old for the sport but not old by any means. I still think Hughes would run a how to clinic with Koscheck. He is not that good yet. HE has fought a whole bunch og nobodies and considers himself great. The one guy he fought who was good, not great, submitted him. At least Diego has a few names under his belt KAro and Nick Diaz. If he thinks he is on hughes level they should feed him to the lions den. Give him competitors so he can loose his way out of the UFC, him and his lay an pray tactics……………….

Kos is a moron. Hughes is a superior fighter and a superior man. It is amazing to me that, after losing one fight on short rest to one of the best mma fighters in the world, that all of these punks, Kos and Diego, think they have a right to talk shit.
Bottom line, the only fighter that can hang with Hughes is GSP, Kos and Diego are second tier, and after Diego smacks down Kos, he will be third tier and lucky to be on an undercard at some point in the future.

Also, if you listen to the Penn interview, he agrees that Hughes took the GSP fight on short rest, and tried to stand with him, which is a mistake and does not play to his strength. If Hughes comes into the GSP fight in great shape, and is focussed on taking him down and mauling him, Hughes will win because GSP does not have a defense to that.
We need the same Hughes that fought Trigg or Penn, and he is by no means too old to be that way again.

[quote post="1647"]If Hughes comes into the GSP fight in great shape, and is focussed on taking him down and mauling him, Hughes will win because GSP does not have a defense to that.
We need the same Hughes that fought Trigg or Penn, and he is by no means too old to be that way again. [/quote]
I gotta go with you on this but Sanchez, as much as I dislike him has a legit run at the title. I think Hughes can beat GSP, as long as he’s not in there tryin to prove he’s a boxer but I think Sanchez has a shot at beating them both. As far as KOS goes Hughes would out wrestle him as well as dominate him in every other way.

im with true believer….it was just 2 years ago when these guys were on a show trying to make it to the UFC where Matt Hughes was the champion and there idol….lets be honest here guys, not much has changed since then….these guys might be getting a little better, but Matt Hughes is by no means getting worse….Diego is legit, getting better and better, but still cant beat hughes…Kos hasnt done anything in mma to prove that he can beat Hughes or even compete with him…and Trigg is a better wrestler than Hughes and has better standup, and look what he did to him……Hughes like him or hate him has done things in the octagon that fighters can only dream about doing, and he finds ways to win a fight

I can’t stand hughes either but until you beat him or someone close to his level of fighting I think you should shut your face.

Kos should just shut his mouth. all hes doing is trying to make a big deal so that if the mild possibility of him beating diego happens he gets hughes. not gonna happen cause he doesnt stand a chance in the world.he hasnt gotten better since the show. did anyone see his last fight. he fought a guy who was having his debut in the ufc and kos was scared every minute of it so what did he do. he tried every chance he got to take him down and lay on him. whoop di freakin doo. talk about a loser. and diego is good to but this was his what 5-6th fight in the ufc against an out of shape karo pariysian which a lot of people thought he won that fight 2 rounds to 1 but just gave it to diego for beatin him down in the 3rd. and as for protecting hughes and franklin. wtf are you talking about. for one franklin was coming off of how many surgeries when they threw him in with one of the best middleweights in the world. come on. i dont call giving an unproperly trained dehydrated franklin to anderson protecting plus any one who takes credit away from jason mcdonald is a fool. he is a great competitor and and athlete. just cause he lost to rich franklin doesnt mean hes not worth anything. and hughes being too old is the dumbest thing ive ever heard. sure old age apparently comes quiker for the lighter fighters in the welter and lightweight devisions but at 34 id say hes got atleast 3 years left. getting beaten by gsp isnt a reason for calling sumone washed up. sure he layed on chris all night and i dont agree with that but he was obviousely just trying to make sure he gets his title shot. besides. whens the last time you saw hughes lay on a guy for 3 rounds? kos doesnt stand a chance and he sure as hell doesnt deserve one let alone bjpenn or george. and everyone needs to get off the fact that hughes lost because he tried to stand up. truth is he just didnt have an answer for Georges athleticism and superior stand up and fantastic take down defense. everyone saw he hughes tried to take him down and even had him in mid air but george stuck with it and came back with a big knee to the stomach. Conclusion? Kos sucks, diego is not good enough just yet and if you wanna talk about being protected. how bout givin him a fight with kos right before they probably put him up for a title shot. diego is good and one day will probably be one of the greatest . just not this year. hughes will get his shot again. franklin will too and will probably win this time and for god sakes sumone in kos’s gym needs to tell him to stfu. PEACE

Hughes loses once in what? 4 years… and he is over the hill.
GSP is an MMA GOD!!

I got $$ on Hughes as the next 170lb champion.

Kos and Diego are both crazy! They both have said the could handle Hughes are they out of their mind. Hughes is getting back to basics and it’s only a matter of time until he gets his belt back. It wasn’t to long ago that Kos got tapped out by a nobody. I do like Kos and I hope he destroys Diego.

Here’s the break down.
Penn vs GSP is the best match up by far, and the only one I would say could go either way.

Penn, Hughes and GSP will crush KOS and Diego
Penn and GSP will crush Hughes, Hughes will not be Champ at 170 again.
and Diego is going to beat KOS (wush this would go the other way but dont see that happening)
Diego and KOS BOTH need more time and experience before they are title contenders, they are very good, but currently not title material.

and I think that both Franklin and Hughes should have to fight a few more fights before a title rematch because they were both destroyed. If the fight is close or someone got caught – automatic rematch is fine, but if you get destroved like they both did they should have to fight there way up and not via Lytle or MacDonald, that was a bunch of BS…………WE ALL KNEW THE OUTCOME BEFORE THOSE MATCH UPS

Franklin and Hughes shouldn’t have to win few more fights. They have earned their shot. Look at the year of fights Hughes had. I think Hughes was worn out by the fight with GSP. He fought a whos who of MMA fighters with Gracie, Penn, and GSP. Next fight with GSP, Hughes is going to be all over him an regain the championship. I do believe in the 170 weightclass it GSP, Hughes and then everybody else.

Penn and GSP will crush Hughes,

uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh, did you watch hughes fight penn about 6 months ago????????? he didn’t crush him, he got crushed…

I did watch penn and hughes and I remember hughes teeing off on penns head. Am i wrong? Unless your tv was showing something else.

he only pounded him after BJ’s rib was broken,BJ Penn was winning that fight until the 3rd and BJ wanted 2 take the beating and move 2 the 4th but Big John stopped it rightfully and unfortunatlly 4 BJ!!!

A win is a win. Doesn’t matter who won the first two rounds. Penn doesn’t have enough respect to come to the fight in shape he didn’t deserve to win it. That is why it is a 5 round fight.

so I guess you all know that GSP will crush him since nobody argued that point.
Hughes got extremely lucky that night, and in no way did he crush BJ. so yes once again
Penn and GSP will crush Hughes…..they will fight again and you doubters will see. Penn is the real deal and Hughes is yesterdays news

Penn is the real deal if the fight was 3 rounds. Its going on two years since he’s one a fight. Well see about Hughes soon a enough.

BJ is no longer in the welterweight picture. I think that he has a legit shot at winning the belt there but he gonna go where he belongs and where his natural weight is and thats at 155. In that division, its a no contest. BJ is the man and should get the winner of Sherk and Franca.

As for Hughes, I think that he can make a run back to a title shot, but I dont see him or anyone knockin off GSP for a while. And I do not think that he deserves a title shot next. Why not put him up against the winner of Diego and Kos and then the winner gets a shot.

First off were any of you actually watching the Penn vs Hughes fight. He might of lost but BJ was pounding hughes until he broke a rib and if BJ wanted to move back up in weight and fight hughes again i believe he would dominate him this time around..Hughes had trouble with Chris Lytle and couldnt even finish him off in his last fight!. And for the dude who said he would put $$ down on Hughes getting the belt again i got that bet cause he will not…wait let me repeat that….WILL NOT beat GSP…GSP is to well rounded of a fighter and hughes cant stand with him and unless he gets lucky(which every fighter has a punchers chance)GSP would submit him on the ground. Hughes is done he will not be champ again!

He beat GSP once he’ll do it again. Penn couldn’t finish Hughes the last time and wouldn’t do the next time. He cant compete anymore in 170 that is why he’s moving down. If you think Hughes needs to get lucky to beat GSP must not know much about MMA.

GSP aint the same fighter as he was the first fight he dominated him from start to finish this last fight. Hughes cant hang with GSP….Hughes has done nothing to elevate his fights…hell his last fight was a blanket party with Lytle. Oh he threw some elbows but couldnt finish the fight my bad he also tried for a garbage submission at the end of the fight. Hes done he wont beat GSP!

BJ moved back down to be able to be the coach of this new tuff show. He said he was going back after pounding Jenns but I can’t say now that there is so many new light weights to contend against, he might change his mind. To say Matt beat him before and he can do it again, BJ beat Matt before and he can do it again. Lets also be honest here. Simply compare the fights between just these three fighters. Matt vs BJ 1 and Matt vs BJ 2…Matt vs GSP 1&2 and GSP vs Penn and honestly say you think Matt is the best of these three. If so, How?? Its a cool thing to me when you can compare apples to apples in this sport. Very rare. I don’t think luck has anything to do with it…but I can’t see Matt beating GSP again and its up to BJ how he wants to train…hes unpredictable. Matts got plenty of heart and the never say die attitude..so hats off to him, but no, he won’t make it back to champion in my opinion.

Matt would fucking kill him. htis just proves even more that kos is a fucking idiot!!! I hate diego but even he will kick the shit out of kos this week!

In my opinion both bj penn and gsp are more naturally talented than matt hughes (especially bj penn)but I feel his biggest problem is he needs to find a better trainer. Gsp and diego in my opinion are training the smartest(I know I’ve taken shots at diego’s intelligence n the past but it has more to do with what he says rather than how he trains) These guys always train with guys BETTER than them in a given area, smart. Hughes is better for the most part than most of the people he grapples with. “I have to tap once or twice a month while grappling” matt hughes. How is he supposed to get better when pat milletech as his boxing coach and matt says hes gotten better with his hands than him? Matt hughes seriously needs to train smarter and with guys who can kick his ass and not his friends as gsp has said. I believe if Matt trained with olymics wrestlers and top boxers like gsp does he would have a realistic shot at both penn and hughes but if he sticks with the milletech camp, I think the odds are heavily in penns and gsps favour.

I dont see Penn and Hughes fighting again. Penn just isnt 170 material anymore. His last two fights are evidence of that.

OOPPs I meant ( I believe if Matt trained with olymics wrestlers and top boxers like gsp does he would have a realistic shot at both penn and GSP but if he sticks with the milletech camp, I think the odds are heavily in penns and gsps favour.)

Kos is like a Riggs level fighter, I dont like Hughes but he would tear Kos apart, Lyttle would Tear Kos apart.

Nathan very well said. Id even extend that to Tim Silvia. Milletech camp has just gotten to cocky and they need to revamp their training. Koscheck better be worried about Diego first before trying to call out Hughes.

good points on Hughes, MFS, training. I have heard the statement on here about 1st, 2nd and 3rd generation fighters. I am starting to feel that MFS is a 2nd generation camp in a 3rd generation world of MMA.

[quote comment="25070"]Nathan very well said. Id even extend that to Tim Silvia. Milletech camp has just gotten to cocky and they need to revamp their training. Koscheck better be worried about Diego first before trying to call out Hughes.[/quote]
Gotta agree with you the definately need to revamp there training. I dont know how many of you watched but this past weekend the IFL(international fight league) was on cable. now i cant give you the exact date of when the fight took place i didnt catch it but Pat Milatech(cant spell it) fought Renzo Gracie and got choked out by a standing guillotine(once again i cant spell worth crap)Not only that but Matt Hughes couldnt even finish off Chris Lytle…yes he won the decision but wasnt a impressive fight at all!

People correcting other peoples spelling is funny to me. You wanna be a tough guy and the spelling bee champ?

I love these Welterweight threads, I get all excited……

[quote comment="24402"]Kos is a moron. Hughes is a superior fighter and a superior man. It is amazing to me that, after losing one fight on short rest to one of the best mma fighters in the world, that all of these punks, Kos and Diego, think they have a right to talk shit.
Bottom line, the only fighter that can hang with Hughes is GSP, Kos and Diego are second tier, and after Diego smacks down Kos, he will be third tier and lucky to be on an undercard at some point in the future.[/quote]

It sounds like somebody has a man crush…yes thats you True Believer. Matt Hughes was completely neutralized against GSP. From what I’m seeing from younger fighters is a more well rounded game, a fighter should be able able to hang on all aspects of the sport, otherwise it’s obvious. I’m not saying that Hughes is washed up, but the younger fighters are coming up better, and the fact that Matt can’t knock out anybody on his feet is going to pose a huge problem for him when he faces guys that have great takedown defense or are superior grapplers. Focusing solely on grappling is only narrowing his potential.

[quote comment="24407"]Also, if you listen to the Penn interview, he agrees that Hughes took the GSP fight on short rest, and tried to stand with him, which is a mistake and does not play to his strength. If Hughes comes into the GSP fight in great shape, and is focussed on taking him down and mauling him, Hughes will win because GSP does not have a defense to that.
We need the same Hughes that fought Trigg or Penn, and he is by no means too old to be that way again.[/quote]

Excuses excuses….GSP has no takedown defense or doesn’t know any BJJ, and is a weakling….What planet are you on??? Matt held all the cards, if he wasn’t ready to fight GSP he wouldn’t have, but thats what you get for being cocky…Everybody wants Matt to work on his grappling so he’s in the same shape as before. He’s never switched up his training in how long??? He was the same fighter that fought Gracie, GSP, Penn, Sherk, Trigg all those guys, if anything his last fight with Georges and Chris, he would have been in great condition. If he even plans on beating GSP, he’s gonna have to last at least three rounds of stand up or on his back.

Matt was happy last night because he didnt want none of GSP in the future… KOS is a huge problem for Matty Cowboy…..